German Man Prosecuted for Playing Online Blackjack

€63,490 was confiscated by the German authorities - news : http://www.latestcasinobonuses.com/article/german-man-prosecuted-for-playing-online-blackjack

Germany has recently been faced with massive demonstrations about muslims and tolerance ... and the police go after a guy playing blackjack???

Quote: Zuga

€63,490 was confiscated by the German authorities - news : http://www.latestcasinobonuses.com/article/german-man-prosecuted-for-playing-online-blackjack

How does somebody win so much in online blackjack?

Was he counting (possible if live dealer or deteriorating virtual deck) or was he cheating in some other way?

If he is playing normally that is a lot of money to win (very lucky streak?)

Over 200k Euros in online blackjack? He must have been up to something or his stars were properly aligned...

Seems like there is more to the story.

Quote: Gandler

How does somebody win so much in online blackjack?

Was he counting (possible if live dealer or deteriorating virtual deck) or was he cheating in some other way?

the report does not say anything about cheating. It was not even divulged what was the site where the money was won. It was only stated that the site did not have the German license , although the player argued the site was based in Gibraltar and had a UK operating license ( hence in compliance with the EU laws and regulations ).

Quote: Zuga

the report does not say anything about cheating. It was not even divulged what was the site where the money was won. It was only stated that the site did not have the German license , although the player argued the site was based in Gibraltar and had a UK operating license ( hence in compliance with the EU laws and regulations ).

Yes. But undoubtably the only reason the government would care is because its such a large amount. The article even mentions its unusual to prosecute such cases. But most people also don't win over 200k Euros.

How does somebody win over 200k in online blackjack? They must be very lucky.

Quote: Gandler

How does somebody win over 200k in online blackjack? They must be very lucky.

His total amount of cashouts was 200k, his total amount of deposits was 120k. Net profit of 80k. Still, pretty impressive.

yes definitely, what caused the authorities to react was the large amount of money being transferred to that guy's acct. It was probably his bank that reported this.

That guy should of played smarter, and cashed out in installments or to multpile bank accts i guess. Although he claimed, before the judge, that he did not think he was gambling illegally, so he prolly felt safe to cashout.

Quote: Canyonero

His total amount of cashouts was 200k, his total amount of deposits was 120k. Net profit of 80k. Still, pretty impressive.

Still 80k online is quite a win.

Quote: Zuga

yes definitely, what caused the authorities to react was the large amount of money being transferred to that guy's acct. It was probably his bank that reported this.

That guy should of played smarter, and cashed out in installments or to multpile bank accts i guess. Although he claimed, before the judge, that he did not think he was gambling illegally, so he prolly felt safe to cashout.

Yes. But I wonder of the casino reported him to maybe cut losses? Or maybe punish him?

But I still want to know how he won, even if 80plusk Euros (which is over 100k american), that's quite a win for an online game. Seems too good to be straight luck.

Quote: Gandler

Still 80k online is quite a win.




Yes. But I wonder of the casino reported him to maybe cut losses? Or maybe punish him?

But I still want to know how he won, even if 80plusk Euros (which is over 100k american), that's quite a win for an online game. Seems too good to be straight luck.

NO THE BANK REPORTED SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITIES.

It's highly doubtful he was doing anything abnormal it probably would have came out. perhaps he had good bonuses

definitely the bank reported what they deemed as suspicious account activity. I think all banks, anywhere in the world, are obligated to report certain amounts and transactions to their Gov./IRS etc, or to ask for the origin of the money.

what is it, $10K and up in the US?

Quote: Gandler

Still 80k online is quite a win.

Yes. But I wonder of the casino reported him to maybe cut losses? Or maybe punish him?

But I still want to know how he won, even if 80plusk Euros (which is over 100k american), that's quite a win for an online game. Seems too good to be straight luck.

Why are you stuck on the player cheating? He bought in for 120k and didn't even double his buy in. While yes, 80k is a lot, you have to keep it relative to the size of the game he's playing. Now if the article said he won 80k at a 10 euro table, then that would be a different story...

That's like you going to a casino with $120, and winning $80. Is that really so hard to believe?

Quote: Zuga

definitely the bank reported what they deemed as suspicious account activity. I think all banks, anywhere in the world, are obligated to report certain amounts and transactions to their Gov./IRS etc, or to ask for the origin of the money.

what is it, $10K and up in the US?

I know CTR's are required after $10k and up...

sorry what CTR stands for? ( somehow I think you did not mean click through ratio :p )

Quote: Zuga

sorry what CTR stands for? ( somehow I think you did not mean click through ratio :p )

Currency Transaction Report

Quote: Romes

Why are you stuck on the player cheating? He bought in for 120k and didn't even double his buy in. While yes, 80k is a lot, you have to keep it relative to the size of the game he's playing. Now if the article said he won 80k at a 10 euro table, then that would be a different story...

That's like you going to a casino with $120, and winning $80. Is that really so hard to believe?


I know CTR's are required after $10k and up...

Where do you guys keep getting 80k from?

"A 25-year-old man, whose identity has not been disclosed, won a total of €201,500" -article

I dont see anything about how much he deposited?

I am not stuck on him cheating, it's just strange to win so much online.

Quote: Gandler

Where do you guys keep getting 80k from?

"A 25-year-old man, whose identity has not been disclosed, won a total of €201,500" -article

I dont see anything about how much he deposited?

I am not stuck on him cheating, it's just strange to win so much online.

I got it from the reports in the German media. His net win was 80k, the police found 73k in his flat. He credibily told the court that 10k of the money belonged to his mother. So the court to 63k.

Quote: Zuga

That guy should of played smarter, and cashed out in installments or to multpile bank accts

So you are giving advice on how to break the law in Germany? Rule #8.

Quote: MoeHoward

So you are giving advice on how to break the law in Germany? Rule #8.

Not really, he is saying what the guy should have done, not what anyone should do.

Quote: MoeHoward

So you are giving advice on how to break the law in Germany? Rule #8.

I am not advising anything or anyone.

And in addition, having two or more bank accounts is not illegal, nor making cashout in installments.

Furthermore it is Germany who is not in compliance with the anti-monopoly/competition EU laws and regulations when it comes to the online gambling.

Quote: Zuga

Furthermore it is Germany who is not in compliance with the anti-monopoly/competition EU laws and regulations when it comes to the online gambling.

Care to elaborate? Can you link to or name the relevant EC infringement procedure?


Btw. the guy did cash out in installments. The bank notified the authorites after a "suspicious" number of these transacations had occured.

Quote: Canyonero

Care to elaborate? Can you link to or name the relevant EC infringement procedure?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gambling#Germany

Quote: Zuga

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gambling#Germany

Thanks. Nothing new though. Nothing ever came of the infringment procedure from 2008. And the gambling monopoly thing doesn't affect the legality or illegality of online gambling. Otherwise the guy might still have had a case, had the online gambling ban turned out illegal.

Germany is a quasi American colony that is run by the same thieves who run the Fed, the IMF, the Eurozone etc.., People need to wake up. In the USA, many small business owners are having their bank accounts seized and their lives ruined simply for making many cash deposits between $6000 and $9900. They call this structuring, and sell it to the sheep as keeping you safe by targeting "drug dealers" and "terrorists", but in reality, its the law abiding citizenry who "dare" to make a living on their own without the assistance of a Government agency, a corporation, or a Union who are the targets. This includes gamblers (unless they're Wall street gamblers). Many of these hard working small business people need to hire expensive lawyers and spend years of time consuming legal appearances to get their own money back, and often, even though they are NEVER CHARGED WITH A CRIME,the government will still keep a portion of what they stole. Police departments all over America specifically ask to search cars and trucks to intimidated drivers so they can seize cash and keep it. Many police departments are so dependent on cash seizures for their new toys and bloated budgets that they could care less where the money came from, as they are unjustly given powers over cash, even without any evidence of criminal activity or a warrant.

This is no accident. Control over the money supply is control over you, and they have added their powers year after year for over 100 years. Slow but sure incremental reductions in your liberty gets them closer to a subservient society. They have already made the world practically reliant on credit based fiat notes which they steal from you daily by devalueing your currency. When cash itself is considered criminal, and every dollar spent and earned is recorded, studied, and taxed, you have become a true slave, and Bellamy's twisted version of a utopian state authored in Looking Backward will become a horrifying reality.

Never keep too much money in any Bank or account that these goons can seize. Always spread it around, and make sure you keep something of value stashed in a safe place away from your home and somewhere where these vultures can't get to it easily.

Quote: Zuga

€63,490 was confiscated by the German authorities - news : http://www.latestcasinobonuses.com/article/german-man-prosecuted-for-playing-online-blackjack

It seems this case has some serious implications . So far two online casinos have pulled out of the German market : PafCasino http://www.latestcasinobonuses.com/onlinecasinobonusforum/casinos/paf-com-blocking-players-from-germany/

and GutsCasino ( this was reported by our German member so the post is in German, but according to Google translate it is referring to the above case ) : http://de.latestcasinobonuses.com/casino-forum/german/wichtige-info-an-alle-guts-casino-account-besitzer!!!/

Quote: shakhtar

Germany is a quasi American colony that is run by the same thieves who run the Fed, the IMF, the Eurozone etc.., People need to wake up. In the USA, many small business owners are having their bank accounts seized and their lives ruined simply for making many cash deposits between $6000 and $9900. They call this structuring, and sell it to the sheep as keeping you safe by targeting "drug dealers" and "terrorists", but in reality, its the law abiding citizenry who "dare" to make a living on their own without the assistance of a Government agency, a corporation, or a Union who are the targets. This includes gamblers (unless they're Wall street gamblers). Many of these hard working small business people need to hire expensive lawyers and spend years of time consuming legal appearances to get their own money back, and often, even though they are NEVER CHARGED WITH A CRIME,the government will still keep a portion of what they stole. Police departments all over America specifically ask to search cars and trucks to intimidated drivers so they can seize cash and keep it. Many police departments are so dependent on cash seizures for their new toys and bloated budgets that they could care less where the money came from, as they are unjustly given powers over cash, even without any evidence of criminal activity or a warrant.

This is no accident. Control over the money supply is control over you, and they have added their powers year after year for over 100 years. Slow but sure incremental reductions in your liberty gets them closer to a subservient society. They have already made the world practically reliant on credit based fiat notes which they steal from you daily by devalueing your currency. When cash itself is considered criminal, and every dollar spent and earned is recorded, studied, and taxed, you have become a true slave, and Bellamy's twisted version of a utopian state authored in Looking Backward will become a horrifying reality.

Never keep too much money in any Bank or account that these goons can seize. Always spread it around, and make sure you keep something of value stashed in a safe place away from your home and somewhere where these vultures can't get to it easily.

You do realize Looking Backwards is a proponent of a socialist system, it was not intended to be a ironic false utopia? It was written to propagate and make that system sound appealing.