Freaking out Lucky Red
With Lucky Red, I thought I would take advantage of their 400% sign-up bonus. So I started the process. But before I could make my first deposit, they required the following information (this happened on successive screens; they start with stuff you'd expect, then get more and more into your business):
1. First and last name
2. Address with zip code
3. Phone number
4. Email address
5. Credit card number, expiration date, and validation code
6. Date of Birth
7. Last 4 digits of my Social Security Number
I stopped registering mid-way through; I just got freaked out by all the personal information I was having to provide just to deposit money. This is more than enough for anyone to be very successful in stealing my identity (not that I'm saying Lucky Red itself is doing that). But no one else who is taking a credit card payment from me requires this stuff, and it's enough to make me not patronize their site.
Can you help me understand why they would need these things? I can almost live with the birth date, because of gambling age requirements, but that is a not-widely-disseminated personal stat that is used to eliminate name duplications for credit reports and adverse actions. The stopping point was really any part of my SSN in combination with the rest.
Thanks.
Use a different way of writing your name.
2. Address with zip code
I use a PO box that has a street address
near where I live. Many of those around now.
3. Phone number
I use a Google Voice number that takes messages
but has no connection to me.
4. Email address
Use one that is for this account only.
5. Credit card number, expiration date, and validation code
You can buy gift cards online that work
for this. Work and act just like a CC.
6. Date of Birth
Lie.
7. Last 4 digits of my Social Security Number
Change one of the numbers, they have no way
of checking if you didn't use your correct name
and street address.
Quote: EvenBob1. First and last name
Use a different way of writing your name.
2. Address with zip code
I use a PO box that has a street address
near where I live. Many of those around now.
3. Phone number
I use a Google Voice number that takes messages
but has no connection to me.
4. Email address
Use one that is for this account only.
5. Credit card number, expiration date, and validation code
You can buy gift cards online that work
for this. Work and act just like a CC.
6. Date of Birth
Lie.
7. Last 4 digits of my Social Security Number
Change one of the numbers, they have no way
of checking if you didn't use your correct name
and street address.
What they want most of all is your money, just
like every other casino. You're not doing anything
illegal by obscuring who you are, you aren't opening
a bank account or something.
To address the OP, they ask for that stuff because they know the bonus is vulnerable to "bonus abusers," so want to make sure that at least real people are playing it. As opposed to some guy in Israel running through 100 phony identities. If you weren't making a deposit by credit card, then I would agree they had no business asking for the credit card number. Otherwise, I would have answered the questions. Some places don't ask you all this stuff up front, but only if you win, which can cause even more player ill will.
One piece of advice I will give is that I never give my real mother's maiden name when asked. Partly because it is nobody's business and partly because I can never remember how to spell it. I routinely give the name of a former pet.
I disagree with Bob's advice. If you win, especially a lot, they may ask for documents to prove what you told them.
Quote: EvenBobWhat they want most of all is your money, just
like every other casino. You're not doing anything
illegal by obscuring who you are, you aren't opening
a bank account or something.
Don't they check the registered name and address against the name and billing address associated with the credit card used?
Quote: rdw4potusDon't they check the registered name and address against the name and billing address associated with the credit card used?
That's why he uses gift cards
Quote: rdw4potusDon't they check the registered name and address against the name and billing address associated with the credit card used?
So make it the same address when you get
the card. If you never accept the bonus, it's
easier to get approved. I have no use for the
bonus program, why would I.
Don't be scared triple B. :)
Quote: Wizard
I disagree with Bob's advice. If you win, especially a lot, they may ask for documents to prove what you told them.
Yup, that's why you never win a lot.
Small wins and small payouts, never
draw attention to yourself. This also
applies to B&M casinos, be invisible.
Greed is the players worst enemy.
Quote: rainmanThat's why he uses gift cards
Most gift cards are technically debit cards, and debit cards typically aren't accepted at online casinos. What is the fee structure associated with a gift card that acts as a credit card?
Quote: EvenBob1. First and last name
Use a different way of writing your name.
2. Address with zip code
I use a PO box that has a street address
near where I live. Many of those around now.
3. Phone number
I use a Google Voice number that takes messages
but has no connection to me.
4. Email address
Use one that is for this account only.
5. Credit card number, expiration date, and validation code
You can buy gift cards online that work
for this. Work and act just like a CC.
6. Date of Birth
Lie.
7. Last 4 digits of my Social Security Number
Change one of the numbers, they have no way
of checking if you didn't use your correct name
and street address.
2 out of 7 correct answers on gambling online casinos isn't bad Bob but.....
1. It wont match your CC...... Declined
2. They wont send a check to a PO box. Aso you must sign for it.
3. Google voice works fine
4. Emails are never an issue
5. 99% of the time they don't take any type of prepaid gift card. Its hard or impossible to find an international pre paid card that is not fully verified. Mothers maiden name and the full social.
6. DOB must match CC
7. They do check the SS somehow. If it doesn't match up they ask you to make copies of SS card ID utility bill.
Quote: rdw4potusMost gift cards are technically debit cards,
And all gift cards don't work. There are
a few that do, and finding them can be
a challenge. Only play at casinos that
have live dealers, get in and get out, the
longer you play the worse you'll do.
If you have no plan, if you have no idea
what you're doing, you will lose. Why
bother.
Bonuses or not, they still want all the information because of Credit card fraud, not just because of Bonus abuse.Quote: EvenBobSo make it the same address when you get
the card. If you never accept the bonus, it's
easier to get approved. I have no use for the
bonus program, why would I.
Bonuses can be +EV, Without a bonus you have no proven mathematical advantage.
Quote: rdw4potusMost gift cards are technically debit cards, and debit cards typically aren't accepted at online casinos. What is the fee structure associated with a gift card that acts as a credit card?
When you look at the suggested methods of deposit many online casinos suggest gift cards as well as debit cards.
I use a prepaid debit card as its not attached to any of my other bank accounts or my credit.
My understanding is some work and some don't usually it must be visa.
The one I use has low fees 1.95 a month 4.95 load fee. This card has worked every time.
If anyone wants to know which card pm me. There is a little glitch when receiving payouts from
bovada, however it is easily overcome.
Quote: AxelWolf
Bonuses can be +EV .
Go for it, I have a different strategy.
Yes daydreaming can be a 100% effective strategy, it's obvious you don't play online casinos.Quote: EvenBobGo for it, I have a different strategy.
I bet some guys even F up there daydreaming strategy systems and can barely follow a few numbers.
With that list you gave It's hard to believe you have played online yourself.
Any reputable online casino especially with live dealers wouldn't allow such BS.
Quote: AxelWolfYes daydreaming can be a 100% effective strategy
Can it? You're the expert, I don't do that.
Yet no one have ever seen you in or near a casino.Quote: EvenBobCan it? You're the expert, I don't do that.
5 of the 7 online rules are absolutely opposite of how the online casinos operate nowadays, 10 years ago all of that worked.
Quote: AxelWolfYet no one have ever seen you in or near a casino.
I've never seen you in or near a casino.
So what.
Not just in the casinos but actually playing.
Yes you can come up with many reasons why this is the case (im sure you will) No one is buying it. Only the foolish actually believe you make money playing roulette like you would love for us all to believe.
I'm sure you have convinced or tired to convince a few suckers here (sorry guys no disrespect, even the best has fallen for worse) and tried to involve them in a voodo betting system(probably online).
For all we know you're probably catfishing us.
Quote: soxfanGood to see the axelwolf-evenbobspike feud goin strong, hey hey.
Stop being a pessimist this could be the start of a real bromance. :) hey hey hey.
Quote: Evenbob1. First and last name
Use a different way of writing your name.
2. Address with zip code
I use a PO box that has a street address
near where I live. Many of those around now.
3. Phone number
I use a Google Voice number that takes messages
but has no connection to me.
4. Email address
Use one that is for this account only.
5. Credit card number, expiration date, and validation code
You can buy gift cards online that work
for this. Work and act just like a CC.
6. Date of Birth
Lie.
7. Last 4 digits of my Social Security Number
Change one of the numbers, they have no way
of checking if you didn't use your correct name
and street address.
Evenbob,
Great post, and a great way of thinking. Well done!
It is very dangerous to provide the casino with too much information these days. Especially considering the corrupt and predatory mindset of some in management.
Give it a try nowadays and see what happens.Quote: KeyserEvenbob,
Great post, and a great way of thinking. Well done!
It is very dangerous to provide the casino with too much information these days. Especially considering the corrupt and predatory mindset of some in management.
Ill give you 10 to 1 you cant deposit and cash out at the mentioned casino (or any notable online casino) using this method.
When possible, play in cash.
Quote: beachbumbabs
With Lucky Red, I thought I would take advantage of their 400% sign-up bonus
I think they intend to take advantage of you and it will be by more than 400 per cent.
> they required the following information
1. First and last name
2. Address with zip code
3. Phone number
4. Email address
All tolerable so far.
>5. Credit card number, expiration date, and validation code
>6. Date of Birth
>7. Last 4 digits of my Social Security Number
They could go on a shopping spree....
>Can you help me understand why they would need these things?
To make a whole slew of erroneous charges against you.
Oh sure, a few of these things can be fudged. My phone number is 000-000=0000.
I live on Main Street, Was born in Sitka, Alaska
Quote: AxelWolfGive it a try nowadays and see what happens.
Ill give you 10 to 1 you cant deposit and cash out at the mentioned casino (or any notable online casino) using this method.
You'll be able to deposit just fine. If you lose they'll keep your deposit, if you win you won't get your winnings.
Seriously, I can't understand why EvenBob posted what he did unless he's deliberately trying to get players' winnings confiscated.
My SSN is known by at least these entities... with the gazillion workers at each....
My present employer, and multiple ex-employers
My accountant
My attorney
My medical licensing board
My college
My medical school
My residency program
My apartment complex
The DEA
The IRS
NY State Department of Taxation
My banks
My brokerage firms
My health insurance company
My malpractice insurance company
My ex wife
And who knows how many others....
I am guessing there is a bright forum member who can find out my social security number before sundown.
Your apartment complex? While it's a drop in the ocean, why would they have it? I can't think of a circumstance where I would release to them.Quote: SOOPOOI am less concerned about someone getting access to my information that actually ASKS me for it, than someone surreptitiously getting it without my knowledge.
My SSN is known by at least these entities... with the gazillion workers at each....
My present employer, and multiple ex-employers
My accountant
My attorney
My medical licensing board
My college
My medical school
My residency program
My apartment complex
The DEA
The IRS
NY State Department of Taxation
My banks
My brokerage firms
My health insurance company
My malpractice insurance company
My ex wife
And who knows how many others....
I am guessing there is a bright forum member who can find out my social security number before sundown.
Quote: chickenmanYour apartment complex? While it's a drop in the ocean, why would they have it? I can't think of a circumstance where I would release to them.
They did run a credit check on me before I was allowed to rent there.
I just called them... They have it and will not rent without it...
Ah, credit check. I've lived a sheltered life :-)Quote: SOOPOOThey did run a credit check on me before I was allowed to rent there.
I just called them... They have it and will not rent without it...
Bob probably played once years ago when this was possible. years ago, you could make up information at some places.Quote: sabreYou'll be able to deposit just fine. If you lose they'll keep your deposit, if you win you won't get your winnings.
Seriously, I can't understand why EvenBob posted what he did unless he's deliberately trying to get players' winnings confiscated.
No doubt he will claim it still works somehow, somewhere just to safe face, however you could offer him a million dollars to prove it, and he would just make an excuse.
It's possible a few places you might get away with this, but I wouldn't trust that place. And Bob probably doesn't know what casinos it's actually possible at.
Quote: SOOPOOThey did run a credit check on me before I was allowed to rent there.
I just called them... They have it and will not rent without it...
This is one place that Canada has much better laws in place. Your Canadian SIN number can only be required by those that are taking large sums of money or paying you money. Retailers, landlords and other service suppliers can ask for it but you are not required to supply it and they can refuse you the credit or service if you decline to provide it.
I am a bit of civil libertarian on this issue and have had lots of interesting fights over it, which I have always won. Having said that, I did provide my SIN to PokerStars. PokerStars has everything they need for identity theft including my banking information since I deposit funds to the account directly from my bank account. They have had this info for over 10 years with no issues or any problems withdrawing winnings.
