Bovada Math

Just looking for the math experts again or anyone who still plays. I know after the paytable change, people were saying on here that most of the good plays were done. Trying to think of Advantage plays to hopefully make it worth people's time to go on there and hopefully in the process click the Wizard's link.

So was just wondering what the % of this play would be.

250 deposit bonus
Playing All American Video Poker @ 99.6%
.1% Free Play
Playing only on Wednesday Video Poker day (2604 coin in = 52 dollars)

Thanks in advance for anyone who could put some hard numbers to this.

Don't forget you have to run though 20k -25k before you can cash out anything. You also have to wager the $52 bonuses 20x each.

Yeah my bad I knew I left something out.

For argument's sake, let's assume this would be a long term session and discount any playthrough. Or we can discount the deposit bonus and just say the 52 bonus plays itself through every Wednesday (2604>1040).

Would this play total over 100%?

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Yeah my bad I knew I left something out.

For argument's sake, let's assume this would be a long term session and discount any playthrough. Or we can discount the deposit bonus and just say the 52 bonus plays itself through every Wednesday (2604>1040).

Would this play total over 100%?

are you sure its .1 cash back? If so Yes I think its about $41 profit, but remember,you have to wait 48 hrs to get the 52 bucks, then you have to wager that 20 x before you can cash out. Very time consuming, especially if you have to look up hands . If you already have an unfunded account, they charge like 4.5% I think to redeposit. If you deposit a large amount, it eats your bonus, if you put in to small of an amount, you may fall short of the wagering requirements and never receive the bonus.

I will assume your new to VP since you didn't have the tools or know how to calculate this. Perfect play is required with no mistakes. Be careful, the VP times out often and button mistakes happen to the best. All American VP is a very complicated strategy (but fun) and the RF cycle is long. If you run short on Str8 flushes It will be tough to win. 103% All American was my favorite VP game of all time.

PLEASE SEND EMAIL TO BV ASKING THEM TO BRING BACK THE 7/5 JOKERS.

Good Luck. Probably better then McDonald's

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The "casino" match bonuses, at 80x, are still about +50% EV for most of the VP games, or blackjack.

Namely, +56% for Pick 'Em, +63% for JoB, +68% for All American.

It would be +55% for ordinary blackjack if the rollover were based on the original bet only, but since doubles and splits count, it's higher than that, probably by three or four percentage points. A little less for European Blackjack, but still about +49% under the same assumption.

These all also ignore the fact that the rollover is forgiven if you go broke, which technically makes it higher, although because bonuses are limited, it's up to you if you want to risk it. (Also they ignore the points, but that's not much of a difference.)

As for the slot bonuses, at 50x, although there's no math to be done, it's probably not worth it. 98% slot returns are rare enough that they're not going to expose themselves by offering both.

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The "casino" match bonuses, at 80x, are still about +50% EV for most of the VP games, or blackjack.

Namely, +56% for Pick 'Em, +63% for JoB, +68% for All American.

It would be +55% for ordinary blackjack if the rollover were based on the original bet only, but since doubles and splits count, it's probably higher than that. A little less for European Blackjack, but still about +49% under the same assumption.

These all also ignore the fact that the rollover is forgiven if you go broke, which technically makes it higher, although because bonuses are limited, it's up to you if you want to risk it. (Also they ignore the points, but that's not much of a difference.)

As for the slot bonuses, at 50x, although there's no math to be done, it's probably not worth it. 98% slot returns are rare enough that they're not going to expose themselves by offering both.

FYI the slots are no where near 98% I know a few that are 10% I Have a very good reasoning and example of this. Its very telling.

Thanks for the help on this guys. On Games250 at least it was 40x rollover and I called them to make sure and they said it was still only 40x. Also yeah my informal studying of slots based off thousands of rolls on ones like Mid Life Crisis and El Luchador was they seem to be around 90-92%. The good news is they don't seem to change dramatically with denomination. Then again this is all training mode conjecture so take it for what it's worth.

The other thing too is I remember, well I shouldn't say it here. I don't know I try to be considerate of people doing APs but I pm'ed the Wizard and he busted my chops that I should just say things on the forums. Was my fault because I thought 7s Wild would be treated the same as 2s even though Wizard had a chart and on further review actually posted the same question in ask the Wizard in 2010 or so.

But yeah I'll be happy to answer it if regulars want to send me a PM. I found it helped me a bit.

Well back to the main thing, Just wanted to see if there were good plays to tell people to get interest in Bovada. I don't know if I should play this and spend 1 more year building up a decent bankroll for Vegas or just come out now. Either way good to find out. Thanks again.

P.S. When I called Bovada I found that they never gave the Wizard credit when I signed up through the link. After 30 mins of concertation, I managed to finally get them to agree to take Wizard's referral codes so he can get credit for any deposits I make in the future. Don't know if anyone else had that issue, but if you want the Wizard to make a few dollars and play often, maybe check to make sure he is listed as a referral or affiliate.

If the Wizard could post or pm his referral code, it would be appreciated.