NJ online gambling news
November 21st, 2013 at 6:41:31 AM
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http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/11/largest_casino_operator_in_atlantic_city_gets_online_gambling_permit.html
"a five-day test run of online gambling in the Garden State that will start Thursday"
PS
"New Jersey residents and visitors will be able to do all those things"
how is a visitor defined I wonder
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/10/nj_on_track_in_race_to_let_casinos_offer_online_gambling.html
"a five-day test run of online gambling in the Garden State that will start Thursday"
PS
"New Jersey residents and visitors will be able to do all those things"
how is a visitor defined I wonder
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/10/nj_on_track_in_race_to_let_casinos_offer_online_gambling.html
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
November 21st, 2013 at 7:56:23 AM
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What kind of games they are offering? Any sports betting?
November 21st, 2013 at 8:42:22 AM
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Quote: odiousgambit"New Jersey residents and visitors will be able to do all those things"
how is a visitor defined I wonder
I think you have to be physically in the state in order to place the bets. If the servers are in NJ and so are you, your network traffic doesn't (or shouldn't) cross state lines, so the feds have no nexus. All of the initial domestic remote gambling implementations use geofencing, to my knowledge.
If anyone is going to be in AC soon, let us know?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
November 21st, 2013 at 9:05:13 AM
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Quote: odiousgambithttp://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/11/largest_casino_operator_in_atlantic_city_gets_online_gambling_permit.html
"a five-day test run of online gambling in the Garden State that will start Thursday"
From the news article.
"Each casino is allowed up to 500 players during the testing, known as soft-play. The state wants the casinos to reach those limits so the websites can “push the limits” and be sure they’re ready."
It isn't clear in the article if the test is limited to only 500 gamblers or 500 gamblers at a time."
I have an e-mail invite from one of the casinos and I will find out tonight.
November 21st, 2013 at 9:18:06 AM
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You have to be a NJ resident to gamble on line. What a nonsense. Somehow NJ people don't contribute to NY economy. I did, for the past 30 years in fact.
November 21st, 2013 at 1:59:08 PM
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Quote: Dicenor33You have to be a NJ resident to gamble on line. What a nonsense. Somehow NJ people don't contribute to NY economy. I did, for the past 30 years in fact.
You do not have to be a NJ resident.
You do have to be in NJ to gamble on-line.
November 21st, 2013 at 7:46:40 PM
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I tried to register with a casino and I wasn't able to do it.
I entered all my personal information and made a credit card deposit. The final step was to enter your cell phone number. I got an error message that said my cell phone could not be registered. I got in touch with their help line and I was told that they were having problems with their GPS software. The software is used to locate your cell phone to determine if you are in NJ.
I called a friend and he said that he is having the same problem with a different casino.
Any bets as to which web-site gets fixed first, Obamacare or the casino. They must be using the same tech people!!!!!
I entered all my personal information and made a credit card deposit. The final step was to enter your cell phone number. I got an error message that said my cell phone could not be registered. I got in touch with their help line and I was told that they were having problems with their GPS software. The software is used to locate your cell phone to determine if you are in NJ.
I called a friend and he said that he is having the same problem with a different casino.
Any bets as to which web-site gets fixed first, Obamacare or the casino. They must be using the same tech people!!!!!
November 21st, 2013 at 9:04:22 PM
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Sounds like a built-in loophole, by only having to have your cell phone within NJ borders. I can pay $20 a month for a extra cell phone. All I need is someone that lives in NJ keep it charged and on for me.
November 21st, 2013 at 10:17:45 PM
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They had the same problems in Nevada when it started a few months ago.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
November 22nd, 2013 at 12:39:08 AM
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Quote: allinriverkingSounds like a built-in loophole, by only having to have your cell phone within NJ borders. I can pay $20 a month for a extra cell phone. All I need is someone that lives in NJ keep it charged and on for me.
This will not work. You need to have an IP address in NJ and be located through an identifiable wi-fi connection.
November 23rd, 2013 at 1:20:15 PM
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Did anyone try the soft opening? I cant even find links to the casino
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
November 23rd, 2013 at 10:26:45 PM
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Quote: PokeraddictThis will not work. You need to have an IP address in NJ and be located through an identifiable wi-fi connection.
You could also proxy your connection through a NJ IP address. Basically you need an accomplice to handle the cell phone and stash a computer as well. It would be complicated...there would need to be a good payoff, i.e. a good play!
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
November 24th, 2013 at 3:17:51 AM
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Can anyone provide me a link to one of these casinos? I just want to look at one for now until i go to AC.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
November 24th, 2013 at 8:23:09 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfCan anyone provide me a link to one of these casinos? I just want to look at one for now until i go to AC.
I am using the Tropicana web site for online gambling.
I doubt that you will able to look at it. You have to provide a cell phone number. You then download GPS software on your computer and using your cell phone, it determines if you are in NJ. This method is hit and miss. My friend was unable to log onto the Trop site. He came over to my house and using his cell phone, he was able to log on and gamble. The next day at his house, he was unable to log on.
The Trop acknowledges that it does not support T-Mobile. He uses another carrier.
The state of NJ said that you will be able to play every game on line that is in the casino. That is not true. I have not seen any Craps on any web site.
November 24th, 2013 at 8:25:16 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfDid anyone try the soft opening? I cant even find links to the casino
The soft opening was by invitation only. That will change on 11/26 but like I said in the other post, unless you are in NJ, you will not be able to log on.
November 24th, 2013 at 9:04:07 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfDid anyone try the soft opening? I cant even find links to the casino
Here is the NJ DGE web site for approved on-line casinos.
http://www.nj.gov/oag/ge/gamingsites.html
Each casino is allowed to have up to 5 on-line sites.
November 24th, 2013 at 11:33:05 AM
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Thank you that's what i wantedQuote: FatGeezusHere is the NJ DGE web site for approved on-line casinos.
http://www.nj.gov/oag/ge/gamingsites.html
Each casino is allowed to have up to 5 on-line sites.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
November 24th, 2013 at 12:21:37 PM
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Quote: AcesAndEightsYou could also proxy your connection through a NJ IP address. Basically you need an accomplice to handle the cell phone and stash a computer as well. It would be complicated...there would need to be a good payoff, i.e. a good play!
You cannot have any proxy program on your computer, running or not. If it is even on your computer, the GeoComply plugin will find it. Players have to uninstall TeamViewer and remote applications before gaining access to the system.
I suppose there may be some way around that but it would be an advanced process. Perhaps an external hardware solution. That is a lot of trouble to go through when Bovada is still available.
November 24th, 2013 at 1:01:18 PM
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Quote: PokeraddictYou cannot have any proxy program on your computer, running or not. If it is even on your computer, the GeoComply plugin will find it. Players have to uninstall TeamViewer and remote applications before gaining access to the system.
I suppose there may be some way around that but it would be an advanced process. Perhaps an external hardware solution. That is a lot of trouble to go through when Bovada is still available.
Yeah there are ways to get around that without having a proxy program directly on your computer. Any competent hacker who has the time could figure it out, but it would have to be worth their while. Like you said, advanced.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
November 24th, 2013 at 2:24:46 PM
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Are you very certain a good VPN service will not work? Who knows if it would be worth it or not. I believe a few poker players may disagree. Tons of things don't seem to be worth the time and effort to do, yet I see people spending ungodly amounts of time just to say I did it.Quote: PokeraddictYou cannot have any proxy program on your computer, running or not. If it is even on your computer, the GeoComply plugin will find it. Players have to uninstall TeamViewer and remote applications before gaining access to the system.
I suppose there may be some way around that but it would be an advanced process. Perhaps an external hardware solution. That is a lot of trouble to go through when Bovada is still available.
Bovada is slashing pays and may or may not be legal, not that using a VPN would be any different. Also, poker on Bovada is not received well by some players especially with the somewhat anonymous player thing. BTW someone easily exploited that situation as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_fXd6y5g6k
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
November 24th, 2013 at 4:00:45 PM
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I'm in NJ and have been trialing the sites during the soft launch - I've got a Mac, and have only been able to get into a few of the sites -
borgata's web signin is a mess - the registration page was http for a while (SSN anyone?) and still isn't working properly,
caesars has their stuff together mostly - did have a little bit of a bonus snafu earlier, but that got resolved amicably,
taj's ucasino is a mess, their geo-ip service has their package unsigned so most macs that are properly locked down will refuse to install their loki.com geoip plugin - they also redirect to a 404 error page on the attempted geoip download (at least the domain is there so that one can hunt around for the plugin, which is unsigned/untrusted by apple).
Somehow I've caught a nice positive run this weekend - picked up >1k this weekend so far.
borgata's web signin is a mess - the registration page was http for a while (SSN anyone?) and still isn't working properly,
caesars has their stuff together mostly - did have a little bit of a bonus snafu earlier, but that got resolved amicably,
taj's ucasino is a mess, their geo-ip service has their package unsigned so most macs that are properly locked down will refuse to install their loki.com geoip plugin - they also redirect to a 404 error page on the attempted geoip download (at least the domain is there so that one can hunt around for the plugin, which is unsigned/untrusted by apple).
Somehow I've caught a nice positive run this weekend - picked up >1k this weekend so far.
November 24th, 2013 at 4:29:16 PM
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on what, May I Ask? Do you know what % the cash back is? I know they have 9/6 Jacks do they have anything better? I know one place offers a 100% match bonus up to $500 not sure what the wagering requirements are for that or how its released. Do you know if the casino and poker room use the same ecash or is it separate? Can you transfer money back and forth between the casino and poker room?Quote: paigowerI'm in NJ and have been trialing the sites during the soft launch - I've got a Mac, and have only been able to get into a few of the sites -
borgata's web signin is a mess - the registration page was http for a while (SSN anyone?) and still isn't working properly,
caesars has their stuff together mostly - did have a little bit of a bonus snafu earlier, but that got resolved amicably,
taj's ucasino is a mess, their geo-ip service has their package unsigned so most macs that are properly locked down will refuse to install their loki.com geoip plugin - they also redirect to a 404 error page on the attempted geoip download (at least the domain is there so that one can hunt around for the plugin, which is unsigned/untrusted by apple).
Somehow I've caught a nice positive run this weekend - picked up >1k this weekend so far.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
November 24th, 2013 at 9:02:33 PM
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mostly blackjack - close to 2k now.
no information on cash back/comps - and haven't looked into poker..
I don't see the ability to transfer funds between casinos...
the wait on the online withdrawal times is pretty much insane - though they do give the option of cashing out from the casino cage.
no information on cash back/comps - and haven't looked into poker..
I don't see the ability to transfer funds between casinos...
the wait on the online withdrawal times is pretty much insane - though they do give the option of cashing out from the casino cage.
November 24th, 2013 at 9:20:18 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfAre you very certain a good VPN service will not work? Who knows if it would be worth it or not. I believe a few poker players may disagree. Tons of things don't seem to be worth the time and effort to do, yet I see people spending ungodly amounts of time just to say I did it.
The player verification system scans your computer. If your computer has a remote access program running then you will be denied access to the system. I am not saying it is impossible but I have run tests for it (I am media and kicking all the tires for a story) and could not crack it. I know several others that have done the same thing.
There is a group whose job it is to crack the system during the soft launch. To the best of my knowledge it has been unsuccessful. With all of the issues people in the state are having getting verified it would be funny if people on the outside could pull it off.
November 24th, 2013 at 10:06:57 PM
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Also, the poker bonuses and VIP are not so bad in NJ. The casino ones and associated VIP programs are as bad as you can imagine. All of the casino bonuses I have seen so far are "sticky". Betfair has some terms that define "bonus abuse" that are pretty bad.
I'm compiling data on those items for a story. Some of it is not out yet because it is still soft launch.
I'm compiling data on those items for a story. Some of it is not out yet because it is still soft launch.
November 25th, 2013 at 12:31:37 AM
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OMG, not that crap all over again. Looks like all they are doing is taking online gambling away from other countries and making it worst. Then again, I knew this would happen. I wont give up yet.Quote: PokeraddictAlso, the poker bonuses and VIP are not so bad in NJ. The casino ones and associated VIP programs are as bad as you can imagine. All of the casino bonuses I have seen so far are "sticky". Betfair has some terms that define "bonus abuse" that are pretty bad.
I'm compiling data on those items for a story. Some of it is not out yet because it is still soft launch.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 2nd, 2013 at 2:29:15 PM
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ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (AP) - The rush to get online and gamble in New Jersey is increasing.
More than 14,000 new online gambling accounts were created with Atlantic City casinos since Friday, bringing the total to more than 51,000 since a trial period started on Nov. 21.
The second full week of online betting in the state began Monday.
The state's Gaming Enforcement Division could not say how many different gamblers actually made bets online. Some users have created accounts with more than one gambling site.
On Thanksgiving Day alone, 5,000 new accounts were created.
Online betting marks the biggest expansion of gambling in New Jersey since the first Atlantic City casino opened in 1978. New Jersey is the third state in the nation to offer Internet gambling, after Nevada and Delaware.
More than 14,000 new online gambling accounts were created with Atlantic City casinos since Friday, bringing the total to more than 51,000 since a trial period started on Nov. 21.
The second full week of online betting in the state began Monday.
The state's Gaming Enforcement Division could not say how many different gamblers actually made bets online. Some users have created accounts with more than one gambling site.
On Thanksgiving Day alone, 5,000 new accounts were created.
Online betting marks the biggest expansion of gambling in New Jersey since the first Atlantic City casino opened in 1978. New Jersey is the third state in the nation to offer Internet gambling, after Nevada and Delaware.
December 7th, 2013 at 2:42:12 AM
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us vpn WILL HELP YOU CHANGE IP ADDRESS
December 7th, 2013 at 4:17:34 AM
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Probably more people tried online gambling in NJ than signed up for Obamacare.
December 7th, 2013 at 4:31:01 AM
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+ 1Quote: ddlomlProbably more people tried online gambling in NJ than signed up for Obamacare.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
January 28th, 2014 at 11:46:32 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: anttsaonus vpn WILL HELP YOU CHANGE IP ADDRESS
Has anybody actually tried using a VPN? Has anybody
played online in NJ? Do they seem fair?
I play online a bit. The first time I have played online is when NJ legalized it since it is so heavily regulated (I am probably paranoid but I would not trust an unregulated foreign casino to be fair). Everything seems fair, poker is obviously fair. But the table games like blackjack and baccarat are also awesome. And the thing I like most is you can go right to the casino (I live 10mins from AC) get cash for your online winnings unlike other online casinos that say you may have to wait 8weeks for a physical check or 3-8 days for bank transfer. But I still prefer actual casinos.
January 28th, 2014 at 12:11:29 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: anttsaonus vpn WILL HELP YOU CHANGE IP ADDRESS
Has anybody actually tried using a VPN? Has anybody
played online in NJ? Do they seem fair?
I use VPNs all the time. Not for this purpose, though. It's really not a big deal, although you have to trust the people running the VPN though (since they can read all your traffic that is not end-to-end encrypted). Really it's not that different from an ISP.
January 28th, 2014 at 8:50:49 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: anttsaonus vpn WILL HELP YOU CHANGE IP ADDRESS
Has anybody actually tried using a VPN? Has anybody
played online in NJ? Do they seem fair?
I used a VPN extensively in 2009 to QA a product on their mainframe. It was extremely reliable, but as someone else noted, you must inherently trust the VPN company/server. Your system is wide open to them, as if you were using a very long phone line direct-dialed into their computer, which then acts as your computer with you on a dumb terminal. (Which, I suppose, is the point since you need an IP that registers inside NJ to play.) It's a two-way partition, (Editing here: depending on how they set it up, you can save files either to their computer or to your own, and you can manipulate programs on their computer) ; if they're responsible, part of their job will be to lock off your access to most of their internal drives and files.
That is the sum total of what I know about how it worked; I'm sure there are engineers and programmers who can get into the details with you if necessary.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
January 28th, 2014 at 9:16:41 PM
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Quote: EvenBobHas anybody actually tried using a VPN? Has anybody
played online in NJ? Do they seem fair?
I live in and play online poker in NJ so no VPN necessary for me. All the usual badbeats so it's real, online poker. This state heavily regulates its casino industry so I would believe the games are 100% fair. In fact, this state was so heavily regulated they had to cut back somewhat to be overregulated.
I don't think a VPN would work anyway. You need a wireless network turned on in your computer but you don't need to connect to the gambling site with it. They scan the available wireless networks around you as well as your IP to geolocate you in NJ. If you're in the boonies or the houses are widely spaced as in rural areas, you may not be able to play.
You also can not have any remote access software running on your computer and in some cases it can't even be installed and must be removed because some of them initiate on bootup and you can't end them through processes or any other method. Teamviewer is no good but it can be disabled. There is a list available.
January 29th, 2014 at 1:30:48 AM
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Can someone answer BOB's question and not talk about VPN's as they relate to using them for non serious stuff. Obviously they thought about people using VPN's
Let me ask it in a different way has anyone successfully been able to get onto NJ online casinos from a different state, feel free to PM me. I would be very grateful for the information.
Let me ask it in a different way has anyone successfully been able to get onto NJ online casinos from a different state, feel free to PM me. I would be very grateful for the information.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
January 29th, 2014 at 12:48:38 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfCan someone answer BOB's question and not talk about VPN's as they relate to using them for non serious stuff. Obviously they thought about people using VPN's
Let me ask it in a different way has anyone successfully been able to get onto NJ online casinos from a different state, feel free to PM me. I would be very grateful for the information.
Axel,
I think I did; my modem dialed their mainframe thru the VPN window, and I was hooked directly in as if my keyboard was connected to their computer by a cord 5 feet away. I don't think on an outbound IP from there, anyone can backtrack to where I was in FL (they were in CA).
You might also look into a program called hamachi, by which (with the agreement of the other party, but it can be a person on a PC, doesn't have to be a server network) you can take direct control over a distant computer and use your keyboard and mouse to use their computer. The IP would be theirs to any third party, not yours. No idea if NJ's got a way of detecting this use, but it's a common tool for programmers, so it's not like a secret. My Java tutor used this with our exercises all the time.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
April 10th, 2019 at 11:19:31 PM
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Interesting, in a bad way IMO.
I was able to sign up and make an account at Borgata online from NV. That's cool, I get that. But then they let me make a deposit using my CC, I just can't play from my location. How crazy is that? I called and they said they would refund my money back to my CC at any time I ask. I guess I will see if that's the case. I didn't ask for it just then in the off chance it would let me play. It wanted me to download a location tracker but I declined.
I just cant see any good reason they would let you deposit from a different state, especially one so far away. I can see how this might help if someone wanted to load up their account avoiding the daily limits if they were planning on going there.
I take it I could also just cash out my funds at the casino? Not sure how much you can load up but It seems like you could avoid traveling with cash to AC by doing this. Perhaps they make you load it back to your CC and you can only cash out anything above your deposit? If not, it seems to me that people could rape their CC company if they wanted to.
I was able to sign up and make an account at Borgata online from NV. That's cool, I get that. But then they let me make a deposit using my CC, I just can't play from my location. How crazy is that? I called and they said they would refund my money back to my CC at any time I ask. I guess I will see if that's the case. I didn't ask for it just then in the off chance it would let me play. It wanted me to download a location tracker but I declined.
I just cant see any good reason they would let you deposit from a different state, especially one so far away. I can see how this might help if someone wanted to load up their account avoiding the daily limits if they were planning on going there.
I take it I could also just cash out my funds at the casino? Not sure how much you can load up but It seems like you could avoid traveling with cash to AC by doing this. Perhaps they make you load it back to your CC and you can only cash out anything above your deposit? If not, it seems to me that people could rape their CC company if they wanted to.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
