online roulette
July 17th, 2012 at 8:09:42 PM
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Quote: EvenBobGive me a roulette bet with a high probability of
winning.
Winning, or high EV?
I pick 35 Single Numbers. Chance of winning: 35/38. 92.1%
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July 17th, 2012 at 8:24:48 PM
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i would hate to be so addicted to gambling
that even when i suspect i am being cheated,
i feel compelled to continue to play...
that even when i suspect i am being cheated,
i feel compelled to continue to play...
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
July 17th, 2012 at 8:44:00 PM
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I usually bet both black and red. I win over 45% of my bets.
July 17th, 2012 at 8:44:53 PM
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Damn, Now I have to switch my betting Thanks mission
July 17th, 2012 at 8:48:06 PM
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Quote: buzzpaffDamn, Now I have to switch my betting Thanks mission
I post to serve.
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July 17th, 2012 at 8:50:48 PM
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I serve because every forum should have it's own idiot.
July 17th, 2012 at 9:25:56 PM
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Quote: Mission146Winning, or high EV?
I pick 35 Single Numbers. Chance of winning: 35/38. 92.1%
This is what you bet and you say you never win? Are you joking?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 17th, 2012 at 9:43:07 PM
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I don't bet that, I was just picking a bet with a high probability of winning. I usually play either Black/Red, but sometimes switch to Even/Odd or 1-18/19-36 AND paint the corners around Black-29.
I put $5.00 on the Low bet and $1 on each of the corners. I occasionally put $2 on one corner, but I'll generally just play a four-number bet for $1 somewhere else on the Board.
I put $5.00 on the Low bet and $1 on each of the corners. I occasionally put $2 on one corner, but I'll generally just play a four-number bet for $1 somewhere else on the Board.
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July 17th, 2012 at 9:55:31 PM
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Quote: Mission146I usually play either Black/Red, but sometimes
If you want to test an online casino, bet R/B and always
FTL, 'follow the last' spin. If it was red, bet red. If the next one
is black, bet black. If they're cheating, this will force them
to produce an unrealistic number of chops. You know, BRBRBR
over a large number of spins. Betting FTL, it should take you
a long time to lose your money.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 17th, 2012 at 10:05:55 PM
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Quote: EvenBobIf you want to test an online casino, bet R/B and always
FTL, 'follow the last' spin. If it was red, bet red. If the next one
is black, bet black. If they're cheating, this will force them
to produce an unrealistic number of chops. You know, BRBRBR
over a large number of spins. Betting FTL, it should take you
a long time to lose your money.
I think you have me confused with the OP'er. I live too close to a casino to have any interest in on-line gambling except for the Free Games on WoO. I was just answering to a bet with a high probability of winning. If the person in question were to do that and lose more bets (but not money, that's expected) than he wins, I'd be highly suspicious.
I did some on-line gambling on various sites with the no-deposit Free Play. I managed to get to the point where I would have collected off of a few of them, too, one of them was for $250. You have to make the deposit to collect, though, and I was suspicious about giving them my C.C. Info, or of paying them $25 that I would never see again. I don't particularly trust them when I have no recourse in the event that they do not pay, overseas casinos, I'm referring to. I put the expected value of my $25 deposit to cash out $250 from Free Play at about -$3.00.
I didn't actually do the math.
The exception to this entire post is Bovada, who can be trusted fully.
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July 17th, 2012 at 10:15:17 PM
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Quote: Mission146I think you have me confused with the OP'er.
You're right. But still, FTL is a very good way to play
if you just want to last a long time. I just did 100
spins on some actuals I got from a Berlin casino today
got 54 right and 46 wrong. This way of betting will
usually hover around the even point until you get
a really bad stream of numbers. But its a good way
to get comps and free drinks in Vegas without losing
a whole lot of money. You can even make money
sometimes with the right mild progression.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 17th, 2012 at 10:25:01 PM
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I'll definitely give it a try. I usually switch to one of the other Even-Money bets when I have lost four or more in a row, so I suppose I can apply the same principle to the others. It would be amusing, I don't see why it would last longer than just picking something and going with it, but I'll probably try it sometime.
What do you do if you see Green?
What do you do if you see Green?
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July 17th, 2012 at 10:27:41 PM
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Quote: EvenBobGive me a roulette bet with a high probability of
winning.
Like for e.g. Covering 30 numbers which give you a probability of 81.1% of winning. To lose a consecutive of 5 times in a row is unseen by me in real casino!
July 17th, 2012 at 10:40:14 PM
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Quote: Mission146
What do you do if you see Green?
Ignore it. Download some actual spins and practice at
home, its invaluable to know what you're up against.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 18th, 2012 at 5:06:50 AM
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Quote: MBSplayerLike for e.g. Covering 30 numbers which give you a probability of 81.1% of winning. To lose a consecutive of 5 times in a row is unseen by me in real casino!
On a single zero wheel this will occur around 1 in 4125 times.
July 18th, 2012 at 8:16:26 AM
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Quote: MBSplayerAm I right to say professional gamblers do not play online? They only play in real casinos.
I think the term "professional gambler" has more or less been replaced with "advantage player" (AP). An AP plays a game that he thinks he can win. Roulette is not a game an AP would play because there is no way to win. An AP plays sports betting, horseracing, poker, or blackjack under special circumstances. These are bets where the advantage can be turned to the player by study or skill. Other games are mathematically against you.
So I would think that there are many AP players online, but mostly in the poker rooms.
July 18th, 2012 at 6:46:38 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOOn a single zero wheel this will occur around 1 in 4125 times.
So this is a rather rare event but to encounter it in less than 100 times is very fishy to me.
July 18th, 2012 at 6:58:31 PM
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Quote: pacomartinI think the term "professional gambler" has more or less been replaced with "advantage player" (AP). An AP plays a game that he thinks he can win. Roulette is not a game an AP would play because there is no way to win. An AP plays sports betting, horseracing, poker, or blackjack under special circumstances. These are bets where the advantage can be turned to the player by study or skill. Other games are mathematically against you.
So I would think that there are many AP players online, but mostly in the poker rooms.
In the real casino, I often see several regular high roller individuals at roulette tables. Their total bets is around 1K for each spin and they don't seem to play with negative progression, just flat betting covering at least 1/3 of the numbers. So I guess they are betting with just pure luck. I wonder why can last so long.
July 18th, 2012 at 7:04:35 PM
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You'd be surprised. Playing a third of the numbers is a 2/1
payout, which is very forgiving. With a little experience
you can last quite awhile and even quit when you're ahead
sometimes.
payout, which is very forgiving. With a little experience
you can last quite awhile and even quit when you're ahead
sometimes.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 18th, 2012 at 7:10:47 PM
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Exactly,
It's no different than playing 1st 12, 2nd 12, 3rd 12 or one of the rows. I guess you just feel better because your chips are in more diverse places on the layout, or something like that.
It's no different than playing 1st 12, 2nd 12, 3rd 12 or one of the rows. I guess you just feel better because your chips are in more diverse places on the layout, or something like that.
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July 18th, 2012 at 8:06:18 PM
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Plus it is only under those exact conditions that my system ALWAYS shows a profit.
July 18th, 2012 at 9:30:44 PM
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I ever saw one player on roulette doing a negative progression on the middle row which pays 2 to 1. In one play, he went from $25 and he had to progress to $800 (8 consecutive loss) before he finally won and he let everyone in that table knows that he won $500. The funny thing is he bowed his head after croupier spun the ball, as if he was praying for the ball to land in the middle row. :). My question is how many times one has to progress in order for the odd of winning is >99% for this betting strategy?
July 20th, 2012 at 12:04:12 AM
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Quote: PacomartinRoulette is not a game an AP would play because there is no way to win.
That's simply not true. Roulette visual ballistic players have an edge that is several times that of the average card counter.
July 20th, 2012 at 1:39:45 AM
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Quote: KeyserThat's simply not true. Roulette visual ballistic players have an edge that is several times that of the average card counter.
This visual ballistic method is it a gifted thing from God or can it be trained? If I have this skill and all I need is to to get it correct once every 5 or 6 consecutive spins, I can exploit it in negative progression and go on to become millionaire in no time at all!
July 20th, 2012 at 2:57:38 AM
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If can predict with a significant level of accuracy which halves of the wheel the ball is going to land is a huge advantage already!
July 20th, 2012 at 10:24:45 AM
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Quote: MBSplayerI ever saw one player on roulette doing a negative progression on the middle row which pays 2 to 1. In one play, he went from $25 and he had to progress to $800 (8 consecutive loss) before he finally won and he let everyone in that table knows that he won $500. The funny thing is he bowed his head after croupier spun the ball, as if he was praying for the ball to land in the middle row. :). My question is how many times one has to progress in order for the odd of winning is >99% for this betting strategy?
It's not the Martingale, the Martingale would have been $800 after the fifth consecutive loss starting with $25.
If he bet $800 and won, then he got paid $1,600 and he said he was $500 ahead. That means that he lost $1100 because the $800 bet comes back.
I find it strange to use a betting system on any of the rows, because the purpose of a betting system is to essentially decrease the percentage of the time you have to win in order to show a profit. I understand that a system would reduce the percentage of wins you would need from 33.3%+ to something lower than that, but it still seems purpose-defeating to me. By not employing the system on something close to 50/50, I would say that you increase your risk of system ruin and volatility...which is the exact opposite of the purpose of using a system.
In any event, the probability of success on an individual trial is 12/38 and failure is 26/38.
26/38 * 26/38 * 26/38 * 26/38 * 26/38 * 26/38 * 26/38 * 26/38 * 26/38 * 26/38 * 26/38 * 26/38 * 26/38 = .0072 OR .72%
In other words, the probability is that you will need thirteen attempts before you are probabilistically better than 99% to win one of your bets. You're usually going to table limit out well before that. Let's assume it is the Martingale, though, and you can move to a higher limit table:
5, 10, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640, 1280, 2560, 5120, 10240, (13)
Your thirteenth bet would have to be $20,480. You have lost $20,475 to this point. You are not 99.28% to win on this spin, you are 12/38 = 31.6% to win on this spin. The ball, the wheel, and the croupier all do not care or have control over the fact that the middle row has failed to come up twelve times in a row. You are making a bet that you are quite likely (hence the 2:1 payout) to lose and nothing will change that.
The 99% is 100% irrelevant because you are deaing with a past-result independent affair.
Do not expect a system to win, but if you are going to employ a system, I would advise making a bet that is as close to 50% (or where the HE is as close to 0%) as possible.
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July 20th, 2012 at 6:26:36 PM
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Quote: KeyserThat's simply not true. Roulette visual ballistic players have an edge that is several times that of the average card counter.
Can YOU do it? Do you know of ANYONE who can do it ina real casino without dealer collusion? I'm betting, NO, and NO.
July 20th, 2012 at 7:47:16 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOCan YOU do it? Do you know of ANYONE who can do it ina real casino without dealer collusion? I'm betting, NO, and NO.
Believe it or don't, in the world of VB play, Keyser
is known around the world. I'm serious. He's
the real deal, and if he tells you something about
it, its 1/1000th of what he knows. We
don't get along well, but he is everything he says
he is..
Ask him about how a roulette wheel is constructed.
He'll give you so much detail you'll be trying to
take your life before you're done reading. Stuff
you've never heard and can't find anywhere else.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 20th, 2012 at 7:55:50 PM
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evenbob is always the first one in line
when the roulette AP gurus shout "get your koolaid here"//
:)
when the roulette AP gurus shout "get your koolaid here"//
:)
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
July 20th, 2012 at 8:29:56 PM
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Quote: WongBoevenbob is always the first one in line
when the roulette AP gurus shout "get your koolaid here"//
:)
And what do you know about it? I've known Keyser
for years, he even wrote a book on biased wheel play years
ago thats very hard if not impossible to get now.
How many books have you written?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 20th, 2012 at 9:20:19 PM
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i was joking around a little. no, i have not written any books,
though most books that are impossible to find are that way for a good reason.
i just find the claims of mrjjj's"method" and keyser's "visual ballistics" to be bullshit.
i have played enough roulette to know that the pins throw the ball all over the wheel.
there is no way i am going to believe that there is someone
that is winning consistently at roulette aside from luck.
though most books that are impossible to find are that way for a good reason.
i just find the claims of mrjjj's"method" and keyser's "visual ballistics" to be bullshit.
i have played enough roulette to know that the pins throw the ball all over the wheel.
there is no way i am going to believe that there is someone
that is winning consistently at roulette aside from luck.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
July 20th, 2012 at 9:27:00 PM
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I have recorded my results of over 100,000 independent spins at on-line roulette's wheels. And for those who doubt my visual ballistics ability, including SOOPOO, I am willing to prove my abilities with a wager. I am not talking single 0, but double zero, to make it more difficult. I will pick which half of the wheel , but the number of the slot the ball will land it. And I can do this
2.6315789% of the time. Nay sayers it's time to put up or shut up.
2.6315789% of the time. Nay sayers it's time to put up or shut up.
July 20th, 2012 at 9:29:59 PM
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I can predict which numbered slot the ball will finally rest in 2.6315789% of the time.
July 20th, 2012 at 9:42:13 PM
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In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
July 20th, 2012 at 9:47:44 PM
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Quote: WongBothere is no way i am going to believe that there is someone
that is winning consistently at roulette aside from luck.
Its not religion, belief is irrelevant. Once you've investigated
it completely and have reasons for your deductions, thats
valid. You've done none of that.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 20th, 2012 at 9:47:45 PM
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WongBo, sorry, I could not resist ! LOL
July 20th, 2012 at 9:58:07 PM
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the burden of proof is not on the sceptic.
my reasons for doubt:
1. observation of the effect that pins have on the ball.
2. no incontrovertible proof of the existence of a winning system/method/technique
my reasons for doubt:
1. observation of the effect that pins have on the ball.
2. no incontrovertible proof of the existence of a winning system/method/technique
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
July 20th, 2012 at 10:02:21 PM
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Quote: WongBothe burden of proof is not on the sceptic.
my reasons for doubt:
1. observation of the effect that pins have on the ball.
What pins are you talking about? This is roulette,
not bowling.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 20th, 2012 at 10:26:19 PM
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you really can't figure out what i am referring to?
the eight metallic diamonds in the bowl of the wheel.
whatever, i am not going to argue with you,
it's like arguing religion or ufos.
you want to believe.
the eight metallic diamonds in the bowl of the wheel.
whatever, i am not going to argue with you,
it's like arguing religion or ufos.
you want to believe.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
July 20th, 2012 at 11:27:04 PM
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Wong Bo,
Sorry but I don't think you grasp the physics involved. Unless you have experience and knowledge of wheel design then it will likely remain beyond your comprehension.
Sorry but I don't think you grasp the physics involved. Unless you have experience and knowledge of wheel design then it will likely remain beyond your comprehension.
July 20th, 2012 at 11:29:12 PM
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Quote: WongBoyou really can't figure out what i am referring to?
the eight metallic diamonds in the bowl of the wheel.
I never heard them called pins before. Never mind,
this is like discussing Jesus with somebody who's
never read the New Testament. Whats the point..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 20th, 2012 at 11:48:15 PM
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"Pins" is a common term used in some vb groups.
July 20th, 2012 at 11:51:41 PM
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Quote: EvenBobI never heard them called pins before. Never mind,
this is like discussing Jesus with somebody who's
never read the New Testament. Whats the point..
Hes made his statement and is very happy with it. Youve got the problem with it, so you need to prove him wrong.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
July 21st, 2012 at 12:12:51 AM
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Quote: thecesspitso you need to prove him wrong.
I have no problem with my position. He needs to
prove his side, I believe.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 21st, 2012 at 12:21:24 AM
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go up to a roulette table.
call over the floor supervisor and the shift manager.
tell them you use visual ballistics AND that you think their wheel is biased.
then sit down and enjoy yourself, because they do not give a damn.
they know when a wheel is showing bias,
and they welcome believers in systems for roulette.
i would say the burden of proof remains
squarely on the side of the people who believe in AP roulette.
call over the floor supervisor and the shift manager.
tell them you use visual ballistics AND that you think their wheel is biased.
then sit down and enjoy yourself, because they do not give a damn.
they know when a wheel is showing bias,
and they welcome believers in systems for roulette.
i would say the burden of proof remains
squarely on the side of the people who believe in AP roulette.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
July 21st, 2012 at 12:32:18 AM
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Wong Bo,
Just wondering, are you also an "aerospace engineer" like MauiSunset?
Just wondering, are you also an "aerospace engineer" like MauiSunset?
July 21st, 2012 at 3:00:02 AM
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hey keyser, you are a lot closer to the maui sunsets of this forum than i am.
let's see...
specious claims about roulette AP.
YEP that's you and maui..
still waiting for some kind of proof.
let's hear it
let's see...
specious claims about roulette AP.
YEP that's you and maui..
still waiting for some kind of proof.
let's hear it
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
July 21st, 2012 at 10:34:58 AM
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Wong Bo,
Like many people, you are confusing wheel bias with visual ballistics. The two are not the same. I'm talking about visual ballistics.
For some reason, I doubt the observations and comments by the chief wheel engineer for TCS Huxley, George Melas at rouletteresearch.com, or the comments made by various casino risk consultants or encyclopedias would convince you of just how wrong you really are. Posting histograms showing the coefficient of restitution tests, and other testing would probably not make any sense to you, since you probably have no experience with the physics involved, or wheel design. So until it shows up on "The Ellen Degeneris Show", "The View" or "Opra", then I suspect you will remain skeptical.
I made the comment regarding Maui, because in many ways, you remind me of him. I suspect others would agree with me.
-Keyser
Like many people, you are confusing wheel bias with visual ballistics. The two are not the same. I'm talking about visual ballistics.
For some reason, I doubt the observations and comments by the chief wheel engineer for TCS Huxley, George Melas at rouletteresearch.com, or the comments made by various casino risk consultants or encyclopedias would convince you of just how wrong you really are. Posting histograms showing the coefficient of restitution tests, and other testing would probably not make any sense to you, since you probably have no experience with the physics involved, or wheel design. So until it shows up on "The Ellen Degeneris Show", "The View" or "Opra", then I suspect you will remain skeptical.
I made the comment regarding Maui, because in many ways, you remind me of him. I suspect others would agree with me.
-Keyser
July 21st, 2012 at 10:50:55 AM
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Quote: WongBotell them you use visual ballistics AND that you think their wheel is biased.
I'm realizing you don't even know what VB is, yet
you're convinced it can't be done. There are no
biased wheels anymore, except in some craphole
country where they'd break your legs for winning
$300.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 21st, 2012 at 11:51:02 AM
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i am not confusing the two,
i am just saying that the staff would view either with the same level of skepticism.
i do not have a background in physics, nor do i need one to know
that there is no way you can predict accurately the effect
that the pins are going to have on the ball.
you have no idea what i do or do not know about the subject,
nor what i have read or studied,
so your presumptuous condescending attempts at insults are meaningless to me.
they just indicate a malicious, overly defensive and very small mind
if you want to prove me wrong, meet me in AC and show me your "skill".
i am just saying that the staff would view either with the same level of skepticism.
i do not have a background in physics, nor do i need one to know
that there is no way you can predict accurately the effect
that the pins are going to have on the ball.
you have no idea what i do or do not know about the subject,
nor what i have read or studied,
so your presumptuous condescending attempts at insults are meaningless to me.
they just indicate a malicious, overly defensive and very small mind
if you want to prove me wrong, meet me in AC and show me your "skill".
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
