online roulette
Cheers.
Reason:
Read around this topic --seems the onlines are "kinda" slow in paying off wins. I thought if I won they could give immediate credit back to my credit card same or next day. It seems it does not work that way.
Quote: scireI asked basically the same question a week ago. Scared me off of the 'adventure".
Reason:
Read around this topic --seems the onlines are "kinda" slow in paying off wins. I thought if I won they could give immediate credit back to my credit card same or next day. It seems it does not work that way.
I am not so much worry about getting credit back, my concern is whether the games are fair or not, I.e no rigging. If online roulette is rigged then I presumed online live roulette is also rigged. Am I correct?
If you're in the UK, I really like Pinnacle, as far as totally-digital Roulette goes. Their table limits are closer to what you'd see in a real casino than I've seen elsewhere. And I do tend to trust their RNGs. Is it exactly the same as playing on a physical wheel? No. But is the game rigged? Absolutely not. (Pinnacle also has the best online Baccarat game I've seen; high limits, and you can choose your seat and even pass the shoe and deal cards yourself like in real Baccarat if you want -- never seen that feature elsewhere.)
Quote: heatherI like DublinBet -- real Roulette tables at a real casino with real people playing at them. I'm not normally a huge fan of live-dealer online games, but with theirs there are other people playing who you can watch, which I like. A few weeks ago I played some Roulette at one of their tables and there were two guys in their early twenties playing. I left and did other stuff and logged back in six hours later and the dealers had changed, but the same two guys were playing at the same table, albeit with much larger stacks of chips than they'd been wagering earlier. Kinda funny, I thought. Once there was a really, really heavy guy playing. He had to throw his stomach all over the felt to get his bets placed. That was fun to watch.
If you're in the UK, I really like Pinnacle, as far as totally-digital Roulette goes. Their table limits are closer to what you'd see in a real casino than I've seen elsewhere. And I do tend to trust their RNGs. Is it exactly the same as playing on a physical wheel? No. But is the game rigged? Absolutely not. (Pinnacle also has the best online Baccarat game I've seen; high limits, and you can choose your seat and even pass the shoe and deal cards yourself like in real Baccarat if you want -- never seen that feature elsewhere.)
That'd be great to watch on the weekend nights to see all the young girls in small dresses.. ;)
No matter how much i read about the subject so is the picture pretty clear - keep playing as long you lose and you are welcome - but if you start winning on regular basis you will get trouble.
I would say after reading about all the public complains that you can not trust any on-line casino.
Is there any exceptions - well if Wizard put a good word for Bodog it might work being serious Casino - but i am not sure.
The only Casino that is not mention scamming people is dublinbet - based upon what i read.
Cheers
Quote: heatherI like DublinBet --
Dublin's claim to fame is they constantly drop your connection
if you're winning. Or the screen freezes. Or it won't accept your
bet. They have a whole cadre of electronic tricks to mess up
your game and make you miss placing bets. Unless your losing,
of course, then everything runs as smooth as butter.
Quote: MBSplayerThis is my first post in the forum. I am keen to play online roulette but not sure which online casinos are trustworthy ones. Would appreciate if anyone can suggest some casinos.
Cheers.
Since you ask this on the Wizard of Vegas forum, the owner of this forum vouches for Bovada. You will notice his "Here are my reasons why and my promise of support" link on the top of the page. Why not read it and see what you think?
Quote: scireRead around this topic --seems the onlines are "kinda" slow in paying off wins. I thought if I won they could give immediate credit back to my credit card same or next day. It seems it does not work that way.
It never really works that way with credit cards.
There are some instant flash casinos like 1centcasino.com, 5centcasino.com, etc, which have instant cashout to liberty reserve or webmoney or similar e-currencies. Obviously I wouldn't trust them with any large amounts of money. All serious casinos have cashout delays.
Large online casinos have little reason to rig a roulette wheel. The game has a 5% or min. 2.7% house advantage, and it's fast in online form. They'll take your money either way.
Smaller online casinos might simply not have enough money to pay off a large win, but let you make the bet anyway. They also may be operated by people who don't understand odds or don't want to take the risk (which isn't there for a large casino). Cases are known.
Really I don't think you should hesitate trusting any of the major league operators not to rig their wheels. (Money handling is another matter). "The PRNG is cheating" is just a convenient excuse to blame runs of bad luck on.
And again, IF they did rig their wheels, you'd never be able to notice. Any reasonably competent programmer can make a very stealthy routine to let you win $(X+rnd*Y) and start slowly tanking you afterwards. No need for any visible signs. In fact, I believe that's how "makeyourowncasino" operated.
Quote: MBSplayerWith a bank roll of 200K, I am confident to make 2K on a daily basis (in 1-2 hr play) with real casino but I have no such confidence with online casino. It is also not wise to deposit 200K in online casino.
Oh boy.... So you can make 700k per year playing 1 -2 hours per day..... Why aren't you? Why waste time asking about online casinos? EVERY Casino in Vegas will be happy to see you and your '200k' bankroll walk through the door.... The Wiz now works at the Venetian and I'll bet he'll help you make the arrangements for you to start taking advantage of the roulette tables there....
Quote: MBSplayerWith a bank roll of 200K
And here I thought I played with a big bankroll. Turns out that I might be a black chip player, but I'm just another flea in the big picture. What kind of comps do you get with 200K on deposit at the cage? I'm always playing with markers when I'm wanting to throw around like an eighth of that.
Quote: MBSplayerWith a bank roll of 200K, I am confident to make 2K on a daily basis (in 1-2 hr play) with real casino but I have no such confidence with online casino. It is also not wise to deposit 200K in online casino.
Gee, how come your bankroll is so low , when you can win $700K a year ? You really need to cut down on your lifestyle. Sell that Lear Jet or your yacht and get serious about gambling.
Quote: buzzpaffGee, how come your bankroll is so low , when you can win $700K a year ? You really need to cut down on your lifestyle. Sell that Lear Jet or your yacht and get serious about gambling.
My bankroll has progressed from $20k three years ago and taking about 200 bucks per visit. It has taken sometime to build up the bankroll. If you are playing with small bankroll, you might as well hand over the money to casino.
Are you trolling?
Quote: MBSplayerWith a bank roll of 200K, I am confident to make 2K on a daily basis (in 1-2 hr play)
How long do you think they would let you do this? A
week? A month?
Quote: EvenBobHow long do you think they would let you do this? A
week? A month?
So far no problem with getting into casino, but they declined my application from Gold card to Platinum. So can't play at higher limit tables.
Not to mention that if there's a casino somewhere that requires a particular player's card to get access to high limit tables, it's almost certainly not in NV or NJ or any other gambling destination.
not Ken
Quote: KeyserBuzzpaff,
Are you trolling?
No It's just that Teddy thinks nobody believes some of the stupid things I write. LOL
Quote: P90Why do you need high limit tables with a bankroll of 200k? It's a decent bankroll for pumpkins, and I'm yet to see a serious casino that won't have at least that much as a maximum.
Not to mention that if there's a casino somewhere that requires a particular player's card to get access to high limit tables, it's almost certainly not in NV or NJ or any other gambling destination.
not Ken
I am from the east, not US. In the casino that I frequent, we have silver, gold and platinum membership. The membership is by invitation only. My strategies require me to have access to two to three tables of different levels of min and max limits for inside bets, e.g. The lowerest would be $5-$500 and the next is say $10 to $1000. On a good day, I can reach my target with the
lower limit table and leave the casino. Of course, occasionally I need to move to the higher limit table when my wager almost hit the max. On a lousy day (very rare) I need to play at Gold club of $25 to $2000. I have to confess you need strong nerves to play on Gold table. I can't access Platinum Club, I heard the limits are negotiable in Platinum Club.
Quote: MBSplayerMy strategies ... On a lousy day (very rare) I need to play at Gold club of $25 to $2000.
Strategies don't work. You're using something similar to martingale, that specifically is known not to work - on a very lousy day you'll bust out everything.
Just putting it out there, I know it won't change your mind.
Quote: MBSplayerFor online live roulette where there is a live croupier spinning the ball, any idea how the rigging is done? Change the video streaming while the ball is spinning round the wheel?
IF anything is rigged, there will be pre-recorded spins for each outcome, and you won't see a continuous feed with the croupier talking, spinning the ball, announcing player names, talking more.
Quote: P90IF anything is rigged, there will be pre-recorded spins for each outcome, and you won't see a continuous feed with the croupier talking, spinning the ball, announcing player names, talking more.
Although I can't imagine why, if you were going to open an online casino specializing in live Roulette, you would go with a theme which would tie your operation in with the most famously rigged Roulette wheel in the history of Hollywood, I thought that the Casablanca-themed Bogart Casino might be worth a mention here. They appear to be anticipating this fear, and thus have TVs with live programming on behind the dealers, so that you can be sure that you aren't watching a pasted-together series of pre-recorded spins intended to make you lose whatever you're betting.
Before I realized why they were doing it, I found the TVs slightly creepy. I'll mention as an aside that, while I was making these screenshots, the Roulette dealer had the ball jump out of the wheel while it was spinning, caught it in midair, stopped the wheel, spun it again, and threw the ball back in. Kind of funny, I thought.
The dealers will also do live chat with you on those laptops they've got. And they blow kisses. FWIW.
between the pockets, and that 4 spoked top. All the newer ones
have the hubcap pockets with no frets, just scooped out indentations
that are barely bigger than the ball.
Quote: P90Strategies don't work. You're using something similar to martingale, that specifically is known not to work - on a very lousy day you'll bust out everything.
Just putting it out there, I know it won't change your mind.
IF anything is rigged, there will be pre-recorded spins for each outcome, and you won't see a continuous feed with the croupier talking, spinning the ball, announcing player names, talking more.
Well, the odd of winning is 99.51% for the negative progression under my betting strategies. I guess I am lucky so far not to lose my bankroll. I do accept that one day my luck may run out and lose the entire bankroll, but it won't matter if I have won multiples of that bankroll. Let's take for e.g. my current bankroll of 200K, if my luck can hold up to 5 times the bankroll, that will be 1M, then I can afford to lose 200K when my luck run out as I am still 800K in the positive.
Quote: heatherQuote: P90IF anything is rigged, there will be pre-recorded spins for each outcome, and you won't see a continuous feed with the croupier talking, spinning the ball, announcing player names, talking more.
Although I can't imagine why, if you were going to open an online casino specializing in live Roulette, you would go with a theme which would tie your operation in with the most famously rigged Roulette wheel in the history of Hollywood, I thought that the Casablanca-themed Bogart Casino might be worth a mention here. They appear to be anticipating this fear, and thus have TVs with live programming on behind the dealers, so that you can be sure that you aren't watching a pasted-together series of pre-recorded spins intended to make you lose whatever you're betting.
Before I realized why they were doing it, I found the TVs slightly creepy. I'll mention as an aside that, while I was making these screenshots, the Roulette dealer had the ball jump out of the wheel while it was spinning, caught it in midair, stopped the wheel, spun it again, and threw the ball back in. Kind of funny, I thought.
The dealers will also do live chat with you on those laptops they've got. And they blow kisses. FWIW.
There may not be rigging for Bogart live roulette but the low max limit means negative progression cannot be applied here. If you go and visit Ladbrokes online live roulette, their limit is something like $4-$400,000. Why they can afford such a high max limit? It is because their live roulette is rigged!
Quote: heatherLadbrokes rigs their games? That's a pretty big accusation right there. Like saying Caesars marks their cards.
Of course not easy to convince anyone that Ladbrokes online live roulette is rigged. To find out you have to go in and play with real money, no practice sessions. I went in with $800 to check it out and they emptied it on the 3rd time I played. After the croupier spun the ball, the video changes to the wheel view but you don't have a 360 degree view of the ball in the wheel. So the ball is momentarily shielded from your view every time it passes the shielded point . And I believe that's where they can control the outcome of the result. So you can never win.
Quote: MBSplayerAnd I believe that's where they can control the outcome of the result. So you can never win.
Its more like the computer alerts them if one section of the wheel
is more heavily covered than other sections, and thats when
they control the outcome. Much of the time its pretty equally
covered and it would be pointless to alter the spin.
Quote: EvenBobIts more like the computer alerts them if one section of the wheel
is more heavily covered than other sections, and thats when
they control the outcome. Much of the time its pretty equally
covered and it would be pointless to alter the spin.
With just a handful of players playing at a particular time, they can selectively kill off one player at a time, then prompting the player to deposit new fund!
If you really believe this, you should talk to Trading Standards about it: www.tradingstandards.gov.uk. And/or any one of the myriad British TV shows dealing with consumer fraud. I'm sure they'd all be really interested, assuming that you can prove anything.
Quote: MBSplayer
And I believe that's where they can control the outcome of the result. So you can never win.
Why would they let you never win? You'd never come back,
what would be the point. The casino wants to bleed you over
a long period of time, having you never win would be against their
best interests.
Quote: heatherAgain, this is Ladbrokes we're talking about, one of the biggest British betting houses, with a 120-year plus history and 2,400 brick-and-mortar betting shops. They make most of their money as a bookie and operate the online casino as a sideline. And you're saying they rig the games.
If you really believe this, you should talk to Trading Standards about it: www.tradingstandards.gov.uk. And/or any one of the myriad British TV shows dealing with consumer fraud. I'm sure they'd all be really interested, assuming that you can prove anything.
I have nothing against their brick and mortar shops, it is their online casino that I am suspecting cheating. Of course I can't come out with proof that they are rigging the live roulette. It is based on my experience with real money over a few days of playing and it is enough for me to conclude that they are cheating. You have to go in and play with real money to be convinced that theirs is a scam.
Quote: EvenBobWhy would they let you never win? You'd never come back,
what would be the point. The casino wants to bleed you over
a long period of time, having you never win would be against their
best interests.
Well, they will allow you to play for a while without any control and that's when you can still win some but when they decided to go for a killing, you will know it. That's when you suffer consecutive losses despite betting with high probability of winning.
Quote: MBSplayerThat's when you suffer consequtive losses despite betting with high probability of winning.
Give me a roulette bet with a high probability of
winning.
