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February 16th, 2012 at 8:46:36 PM permalink
I just finished with Dollie Wong of CocktailDoll.com. This show was different than most previous shows, including before I co-hosted, for a number of reasons.

1. This one had almost nothing to do with advantage gambling.
2. The show doesn't get female guests often.
3. As far as I know, the only prior guest to possibly get us in trouble with the FCC was Andrew Dice Clay.

When we were done the producer said he had to bleep her seven times. At one time he slammed his fist on the counter. After this show, if I had any female fans I think I might lose them.

The show isn't ready on my site yet, but did anyone hear it live? I look forward to your comments.
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February 16th, 2012 at 8:58:35 PM permalink
This is her? You had this hot babe on your show?
You call this 'work'?

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February 16th, 2012 at 9:22:28 PM permalink
Yup, that is her above.

The show is ready: Feb 26, 2012 GWE. If that direct link doesn't work, try my index.
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February 16th, 2012 at 9:26:34 PM permalink
I read a bunch of stuff on her page, she's very
bright and clever. Women like that usually scare
me.
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February 16th, 2012 at 9:35:08 PM permalink
Anyone who is so cavalier about starting one web site but then abruptly abandoning it to shift focus to a different website will likely be a bit cavalier towards the restraints imposed by the FCC on language decency.

I recall one attempt termed two hung low to photograph a hooker in the background of a photograph of a co-worker. Clever attempt perhaps but it was all tease and no substance.
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February 17th, 2012 at 11:02:44 AM permalink
You never really gave a reason for "packing". When Dancer suggested one reason might be security for when carrying cash, you seemed to react like that was very secondary to other reasons. I am guessing you are just a "second amendment guy"?

btw was watching an oldies TV channel that was showing "the Rifleman" the other day. The episode was very un-PC for today, it had "the new sheriff in town" collecting everybody's guns so the town would be safer. The bad guys figured out that the citizens were all unarmed and they just needed to throw the dumb sheriff into his own jail and rob the town's bank. The show's hero had to go into action to save the day of course.

What was remarkable [as it seemed to me anyway] was that the episode was quite clearly telling such a story with no notion that it was touting unprogressive views on the matter!
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February 17th, 2012 at 11:21:34 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

You never really gave a reason for "packing". When Dancer suggested one reason might be security for when carrying cash, you seemed to react like that was very secondary to other reasons. I am guessing you are just a "second amendment guy"?



I have to have a really good reason NOT to carry. The only casino I know of in Vegas that has a posted prohibition is Sam's Town (for homeland security. Give me a break.) And then they can only ask you to leave.
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February 17th, 2012 at 5:15:59 PM permalink
Yeah, I'm basically just a second amendment guy. Bob doesn't like to devote much time to topics like that and I don't like to come off as too political anyway. While I think a lot of the people with a CCW (carry a concealed weapon) permit do so almost always, I'll probably just make it a time to time kind of thing. I thought it would also be an interesting topic to write an article about it, for when the LVPD finishes my background check.

I hope NicksGamingStuff won't mind me saying that he took the course with me. I beat him by one point on the written test, but he whopped me on the shooting test. You guys will not want to be anywhere near my line of fire if I have reason to shoot somebody.
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February 17th, 2012 at 5:39:33 PM permalink
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I'll probably just make it a time to time kind of thing.



One of the things you might discover is that the whole thing is a pain in the a**, once the novelty wears off. But if you really feel the need, that is different. So we will see I guess.
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February 17th, 2012 at 5:41:46 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Yeah, I'm basically just a second amendment guy.



I must say that I find this surprising. And pleasing, too. A Smith & Wesson trumps a mugger.

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You guys will not want to be anywhere near my line of fire if I have reason to shoot somebody.



I try not to be with anybody who has reason to fire. The only thing better than using a gun for defense is not being in a position to use a gun for defense. I've a little experience being on the wrong end of a gun, too. I came through ok, but at the time I wished I were carrying a BFG, or even a .38 I probably wouldn't have used it, but it might have come to that. Unfortunately in Mexico it's hard to get a gun to keep at home. A permit to carry one is simply impossible.

Any idea what the law is for carrying other means of self-defense like pepper spray or a taser?
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February 17th, 2012 at 6:04:33 PM permalink
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You guys will not want to be anywhere near my line of fire if I have reason to shoot somebody.

I'd say that you are in the majority of gun owners there.

Notwithstanding the gung-ho rough, tough, real men's men out there who I'm sure could shoot the wings off a fly and the just plain goofy "Cuz it be my right as an Amerakin" wingnuts, this is as good a reason as any to take guns away from the citizenry.

When push comes to shove, they're more likely to shoot their own foot off or shoot their own daughter in the head than kill, wound or even frighten a would-be thief.
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February 17th, 2012 at 6:40:30 PM permalink
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I try not to be with anybody who has reason to fire.



My instructor emphasized that just avoiding trouble to begin with goes a lot further than carrying a gun.

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Any idea what the law is for carrying other means of self-defense like pepper spray or a taser?



Not exactly my area but I think pepper spray is pretty easy to get, as well as the kind of short-range taser. I think both these items that work at longer distances require a special permit or more effort to attain (i.e. mail order).
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February 17th, 2012 at 6:49:41 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

My instructor emphasized that just avoiding trouble to begin with goes a lot further than carrying a gun.



My boss told me the same thing. He wasn't impressed that I bluffed an armed robber and 1) lived to tell about and 2) managed to keep most of the valuables in my posession.

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Not exactly my area but I think pepper spray is pretty easy to get, as well as the kind of short-range taser. I think both these items that work at longer distances require a special permit or more effort to attain (i.e. mail order).



Thanks. I'll look it up online. Not that pepper spray is much good...
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February 17th, 2012 at 6:55:43 PM permalink
The best thing about having a license to carry is I
can go anywhere and buy a handgun without getting
a permit first. That means more than actually carrying
the gun does.
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February 17th, 2012 at 7:21:27 PM permalink
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I have to have a really good reason NOT to carry. The only casino I know of in Vegas that has a posted prohibition is Sam's Town (for homeland security. Give me a break.) And then they can only ask you to leave.

My friend got trespassed from O'Sheas AND detained by LVMPD for wearing an empty holster. Not kidding.
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February 17th, 2012 at 8:44:05 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

My friend got trespassed from O'Sheas AND detained by LVMPD for wearing an empty holster. Not kidding.



Surely there must be more to the story (and don't call me Shirley). I'm sure it isn't something you see every day, but I could picture an off duty security guard who forgot to remove his holster walking about. No big deal.
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February 18th, 2012 at 12:08:57 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

What was remarkable [as it seemed to me anyway] was that the episode was quite clearly telling such a story with no notion that it was touting unprogressive views on the matter!


How is that unprogressive? On the contrary, my impression was that the episode endorses citizens using modern technology to ensure their safety, and ridicules the troglodyte sheriff who decided to go back to sticks and stones, for all the good it has ever done anyone relying on such means.
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February 18th, 2012 at 4:53:33 AM permalink
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February 18th, 2012 at 4:56:54 AM permalink
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February 18th, 2012 at 5:51:51 AM permalink
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February 18th, 2012 at 12:41:00 PM permalink
Just curious, and if you wanna pm me that's fine...but what kinda piece does a wizard carry?
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February 18th, 2012 at 1:45:58 PM permalink
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February 18th, 2012 at 3:13:50 PM permalink
Bringing the topic back to the radio show....

I finally got a chance to listen. Great show.... although I was expecting at least one or two "Waitress Jeopardy" trivia questions. What the hell?!?!?


Because I read some of the comments here before listening, as well as being familiar with her website, I was expecting Dollie to be much more of a gutter mouth than she was. I certainly recognized the words that got your producer to hit the bleep button, but think that it was fine overall. The FCC needs to lighten up.

And thanks for being adult enough to post the uncensored version.
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February 18th, 2012 at 3:35:02 PM permalink
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I finally got a chance to listen. Great show.... although I was expecting at least one or two "Waitress Jeopardy" trivia questions. What the hell?!?!?



Thanks for the kind words. I would have asked her about Waitress Jeopardy if we had more time. I've tried to play that with her when I played at her casino, but she was not into it. Some of her fellow waitresses seemed to like it.
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February 18th, 2012 at 6:52:05 PM permalink
Really enjoyed the show. Very unique guest, very humorous, but I learned a lot about the way beverage servers think. I can say from my own experience that the girls love to say "Thank you very much!" or "You're welcome" in an extremely sarcastic tone when they are stiffed. It's pretty funny really.
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February 18th, 2012 at 7:28:22 PM permalink
When I was playing pai gow with teddys at the Paris he got a very unenthusiastic "thank you" when he tipped 50¢.
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February 18th, 2012 at 9:12:38 PM permalink
G17 is kind of big for carrying every day. G19 all the way.

I have to question you on saying that casino security cameras can make you while carrying. MAYBE if they are using thermal they could see it, but why would a casino invest in thermal security cameras?

If visible spectrum cameras could see guns under clothing, airports wouldn't need metal detectors or naked scanners.

I carry in casinos all the time. Low-roller but I've never had a second glance much less a problem. And I don't go out of my way not to print.

Once you carry for a few weeks you'll forget about everyone making you and realize it's heavy, uncomfortable (yet comforting), and a pain in the butt. It's just not the big deal non-ccw people make it out to be until it comes out of the holster, then the shitstorm starts. So be sure.
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February 19th, 2012 at 9:21:52 AM permalink
Quote: QuadDeuces

I have to question you on saying that casino security cameras can make you while carrying. MAYBE if they are using thermal they could see it, but why would a casino invest in thermal security cameras?



I was just quoting something the instructor for my permit said. I'm pretty sure I prefaced it with, "I'm not sure if this is true." He also said the cameras can see through white and red clothing, to some degree, which sounds dubious to me.
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February 19th, 2012 at 10:24:25 AM permalink
Black and white cameras can see in infrared, which allows them to see through some clothing. White is susceptible because there isn't any dye, red because the dye doesn't block IR well. The naked eye can also see through thin clothing, but short-wavelength light reflecting off it masks the image. Monochrome cameras (without IR filters) have a smoother and wider sensitivity curve, so they aren't blinded by these reflections.

Obviously they aren't going to see anything through a winter coat, just light clothing.
Also, it only applies to monochrome cameras, not color ones. AIUI color CCTV is nearly universal in casinos.
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February 19th, 2012 at 12:29:42 PM permalink
I found Dolly fairly charming. I do question why she's
been a cocktail waitress for 20 years, she seems
smart enough to have done something more worthwhile.
Waitressing is something you do in your 20's, its an entry
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February 19th, 2012 at 12:32:16 PM permalink
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He also said the cameras can see through white and red clothing, to some degree, which sounds dubious to me.



He saw too many episodes of the last Las Vegas
TV show. Their cameras could see right thru clothing
and even read the serial number of the gun.
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February 19th, 2012 at 2:01:47 PM permalink
To the clothing comment, the instructor did say they can see through white. He later said it was interesting seeing some peoples undergarments.
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February 19th, 2012 at 2:20:12 PM permalink
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Waitressing is something you do in your 20's, its an entry level position. You do make money, but its a crappy job.



When Steve Wynn was on some interview I saw he said his cocktail waitresses, at least the ones that worked the pool, make over 100K a year. Assuming 40 hours a week, one would need to average $48/hour in tips. In a high-end casino I could picture that happening.
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February 19th, 2012 at 2:29:28 PM permalink
And some guy who makes the median of $26,364 is made to feel like a deadbeat if he doesn't tip $1 a drink....
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February 19th, 2012 at 3:23:36 PM permalink
ALL waitresses and dice dealers make more than Fleastiff does but I still tip them.
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February 19th, 2012 at 5:16:31 PM permalink
Hmm. When I get made and hassled because of a security camera I'll be sure to post.

I'll continue to carry everywhere I go, including casinos, as if nobody cares. Because nobody does.
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February 19th, 2012 at 7:07:04 PM permalink
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When I was playing pai gow with teddys at the Paris he got a very unenthusiastic "thank you" when he tipped 50¢.

Hmm. I don't remember that. I thought we played the waitress trivia game every time. As I recall, one of the waitresses was quite upset when she only got $1. (But in a joking way).

By the way, I do admit to tipping $0.50. I got that from Michael Bluejay's Easy Vegas site. The Wizard has voiced his disagreement with that policy, but I stick by it.
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February 19th, 2012 at 7:41:08 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

When Steve Wynn was on some interview I saw he said his cocktail waitresses, at least the ones that worked the pool, make over 100K a year. Assuming 40 hours a week, one would need to average $48/hour in tips. In a high-end casino I could picture that happening.



That $100K is the number that used to be thrown around 25 years ago for the waitresses at Caesars when it was the class of the strip. The story was also that the doorman was making $250K from cab tips.
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February 19th, 2012 at 7:57:26 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

By the way, I do admit to tipping $0.50. I got that from Michael Bluejay's Easy Vegas site. The Wizard has voiced his disagreement with that policy, but I stick by it.



Dollie would disagree with it too. Did you hear her response to Bob when he confessed to tipping 50 cents per drink "off the Strip." He tried to defend it by saying he was nice by chatting with the waitresses, but Dollie didn't buy that excuse.
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:28:42 PM permalink
The idea that a cocktail waitress feels entitled to a six figure income
and that I should feel guilty if I don't pony up my share is ludicrous.
I used to tip a dollar a drink. Now I order two at a time and drop one chip.
They will just have to scrape by on $50K a year.
I am not in Vegas and refuse to pay strip level tips for a watered down version of the real thing.
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:50:35 PM permalink
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The idea that a cocktail waitress feels entitled to a six figure income
and that I should feel guilty if I don't pony up my share is ludicrous.



That is Michael Bluejay's argument for tipping 50¢ per drink. He figures that at 50¢ a drink they are earning a respectable living for fairly menial labor. In fact, to determine the number of drinks per hour we did a study at the Suncoast, noting how often each waitress came by the bar to reload with drinks and how many on average. What he found humorous was that he identified each waitress by names he made up and I identified them by physical characteristics like hair color, height, and ... other things.

However, much like the long debate about lane merging due to construction, there is something to be said for following accepted social ethics. The accepted standard is $1 per drink minimum. Anything less than that comes off as insulting. It really comes down to your philosophy on altruism in general. I say if you're not willing to tip the expected amount then don't ask for a drink.
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February 19th, 2012 at 8:57:16 PM permalink
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The idea that a cocktail waitress feels entitled to a six figure income
and that I should feel guilty if I don't pony up my share is ludicrous.
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But the drink is comped, its costing you nothing. $1
for a mixed drink is pretty reasonable, c'mon.
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February 19th, 2012 at 9:08:12 PM permalink
I don't drink alcohol.
Whatever happened to tipping 15-20%.?
Americans have the most distorted sense of entitlement of any people in the world.
I will never feel guilty for tipping $1 for two drinks. I just won't.
Same way I don't feel guilty about not tipping dealers who make no effort beyond their duty.
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February 19th, 2012 at 9:52:05 PM permalink
I went to Sky Ute Casino a few days ago. Arrived at 10 pm, checked in, ate, then hit the slots. There was no self service drink area.
While playing slots I was approached by the drink cart pusher. He was a short ( think Danny Devito in lifts ) stocky middle aged Indian.
The cart had about 40 short 8oz tumblers full of sodas and ice. Unfortunately, this arrangement led to the drinks being watery. Unfortunately most other Indians don't tip.
The next day while playing blackjack the cocktail waitress was shocked when I asked for maraschino cherries in our diet cokes. She told me " We do not have maraschino cherries " in a not too polite tone. When she came back I tipped her a white chip before even looking at the drinks.
Diet cokes alright, lukewarm with little ice, and in small Styrofoam cups, like you would get a "small" coffee in. And the drink service was better than the slots and comps. YUCKY
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February 19th, 2012 at 10:10:19 PM permalink
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Whatever happened to tipping 15-20%



15-20% of $0 is $0.

Sometimes at the end of a session I'll get a drink. Always tip $1 whether there's alcohol or not.

I find a more difficult tipping situation is when the drinks are cheap but you order yourself at a kiosk or bar - think the $1 beers at Stations during football games. Or, sometimes when I just came in and it's 112 outside I can't resist one of those $1 margarita-like slushie things. How much do you tip on a $1 drink?
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February 19th, 2012 at 11:50:45 PM permalink
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But the drink is comped, its costing you nothing. $1
for a mixed drink is pretty reasonable, c'mon.



Plus don't the waitresses kick back about 20% of the tip take to the bar staff (or is it a set amount per drink)?
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February 20th, 2012 at 2:02:01 AM permalink
I also heard something about the IRS basing their tips on $1 per drink since that's what's expected and it's something the casino can reasonably track (# of drinks.) Parasites.
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February 20th, 2012 at 3:18:56 AM permalink
Yeah, cocktail waitresses tend to be young. They've not been hired for skills in balancing a tray they've been hired to have it all on display all night long and smile and the drunken perverts.

Sure some of those drunks think if she is not all that young anymore they can tip less but I only tip less if they just don't come around often enough or they bring watered down booze in tiny little ice filled thimbles.
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February 20th, 2012 at 3:32:43 AM permalink
Quote: QuadDeuces

I also heard something about the IRS basing their tips on $1 per drink since that's what's expected and it's something the casino can reasonably track (# of drinks.) Parasites.


On $0.25 per drink, if D.W.'s website is to be trusted.
Waitresses are in an arrangement that assumes a fixed number of drinks per hour for income tax purposes however.
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February 20th, 2012 at 10:35:48 PM permalink
Very much enjoyed the show. I made it a New Year's resolution to purchase a handgun this year, after taking the requisite safety courses and making a few trips to the shooting range. I would like to get a CCW at some point, but I'll take it one step at a time.

Got to be ready for the zombie apocalypse, after all :)
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