The Adventures of Lemieux (split from Atlantic City Forum)
Quote: Lemieux66REALLY? He was betting massively. He ended up winning 700 overall.
usually heat comes from the size of the win, not the size of the bets. if your friend was betting massively and lost he would be that house's favorite customer.
Quote: sodawaterusually heat comes from the size of the win, not the size of the bets. if your friend was betting massively and lost he would be that house's favorite customer.
He has the style of bet min....bet min...bet min...bet HUGE so it's not too hard to see. He was also playing by himself at an odd hour.
Quote: Lemieux66Got my comp dollars back. I just have to see a shift manager every time I want to use them.
OK, I'll bite. Which shift manager? Pits, My Borgata desk, Check in desk, Housekeeping? Which one? And the reason they gave you for this? Since you seen so concerned and paranoid about how AC casinos see you, you had to have asked questions, correct? Why did they take them in the first place? Are you still welcome to play there or will they shuffle up after every hand? What does the shift manager do to release your comps? Do you have to order to food through him that you want to use the comps dollars on? How does he know how many you used? How much are they paying him to manage your $323 in comps? Are they hiring someone just to manage suspected counters comps moving forward? How did the DGE phone call with Borgata go? How is the new Borgata Baking Company? Did you use any of your comp dollars there? What about future comp dollars you earn, will they be handled the same? Did they extend the courtesy Revel showed them and call them back to advise them on this new way of handling counters comps? Perhaps Revel will hire a person to manage Ace's comps.
Now I am thinking you can earn huge comp dollars playing BJ at Borgata since they will be shuffling after every hand, you might get credit for 4 hours at the table and only have to play less than 100 hands. This has to be a huge +EV play.
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Quote: BozOK, I'll bite. Which shift manager? Pits, My Borgata desk, Check in desk, Housekeeping? Which one? And the reason they gave you for this? Since you seen so concerned and paranoid about how AC casinos see you, you had to have asked questions, correct? Why did they take them in the first place? Are you still welcome to play there or will they shuffle up after every hand? What does the shift manager do to release your comps? Do you have to order to food through him that you want to use the comps dollars on? How does he know how many you used? How much are they paying him to manage your $323 in comps? Are they hiring someone just to manage suspected counters comps moving forward? How did the DGE phone call with Borgata go? How is the new Borgata Baking Company? Did you use any of your comp dollars there? What about future comp dollars you earn, will they be handled the same? Did they extend the courtesy Revel showed them and call them back to advise them on this new way of handling counters comps? Perhaps Revel will hire a person to manage Ace's comps.
Now I am thinking you can earn huge comp dollars playing BJ at Borgata since they will be shuffling after every hand, you might get credit for 4 hours at the table and only have to play less than 100 hands. This has to be a huge +EV play.
If only I could insult people without getting suspended. Anyway.
When I do go to Borgata, I talk to the shift manager who is on at the time. He will unfreeze them. Once I use them, they will be frozen again. I will no longer play at all at Borgata. Just use my comps until they are gone. I've made this clear before.
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I'm not giving any names. If you have an issue similar to mine, call the DGE.
Quote: Lemieux66If only I could insult people without getting suspended. Anyway.
When I do go to Borgata, I talk to the shift manager who is on at the time. He will unfreeze them. Once I use them, they will be frozen again. I will no longer play at all at Borgata. Just use my comps until they are gone. I've made this clear before.
Lemieux,
I looked at this, and similar responses on the topic to you, and there was no personal insult involved at any time. They are trying to gain specific information, not without some rhetoric, but the questions and comments have been directly on point to the discussion and reference specific things you said yourself first. Answer or not as you like, publicly or via PM, but no infraction is occurring. Thanks!
Quote: Lemieux66If only I could insult people without getting suspended. Anyway.
When I do go to Borgata, I talk to the shift manager who is on at the time. He will unfreeze them. Once I use them, they will be frozen again. I will no longer play at all at Borgata. Just use my comps until they are gone. I've made this clear before.
Sorry if you see this as an insult, that is not my goal. But as someone who has visited and played in AC for over 30 years, yours is one of the most remarkable stories every told and I am interested in it. I still feel you are not telling everything about what happened. And if you are as concerned as you seem to be about what happened from your posts you would have more answers. Perhaps you do and dont want to share them.
Did you get an answer why Borgata froze your comps? That would have been my first question. It must be something major to them to get a Shift Manager invloved in handling them on a daily basis. And how does he know you are done using them for the day? What if you eat, then want to drink at a bar. Do you have to go back and let him know you are done for the day. What if shifts overlap? Is checking to see if your comps are "open" part of their shift duties now? Seems like overkill to me. Why not just open them up to be used? Why would they create more work? Perhaps they want to know if you are in the building?
Maybe someone else can add to this, but other than the Revel promo last summer, which ended in lawsuits still on going, I am not aware of someone having their comps taken without knowing why or what they did.
Not asking why they did it raises even more questions.
Does the shift manager have to bus your table, too?
Does the shift manager approve any request for "extra pickles on the side"? (By the way, highly recommended)
They must really, really hate you. I have no idea why, but it can't just be the counting. It's not like you are hitting them for 10s of thousands a night.
Something else is going on here, and I (like many others) am REALLY curious to find out what it is.
Quote: sodawaterLol so the shift manager has to unfreeze them, then when you're done eating at, say, Bread and Butter, the shift manager has to RE-FREEZE your $300 in comps?
Does the shift manager have to bus your table, too?
Does the shift manager approve any request for "extra pickles on the side"? (By the way, highly recommended)
I'm just repeating what I was told on the phone by the DGE Agent. I DO NOT know why this is the process. I don't know why they unfreeze and freeze them. I don't work at Borgata. I have no idea why it's like this.
Quote: BozSorry if you see this as an insult, that is not my goal. But as someone who has visited and played in AC for over 30 years, yours is one of the most remarkable stories every told and I am interested in it. I still feel you are not telling everything about what happened. And if you are as concerned as you seem to be about what happened from your posts you would have more answers. Perhaps you do and dont want to share them.
Did you get an answer why Borgata froze your comps? That would have been my first question. It must be something major to them to get a Shift Manager invloved in handling them on a daily basis. And how does he know you are done using them for the day? What if you eat, then want to drink at a bar. Do you have to go back and let him know you are done for the day. What if shifts overlap? Is checking to see if your comps are "open" part of their shift duties now? Seems like overkill to me. Why not just open them up to be used? Why would they create more work? Perhaps they want to know if you are in the building?
Maybe someone else can add to this, but other than the Revel promo last summer, which ended in lawsuits still on going, I am not aware of someone having their comps taken without knowing why or what they did.
Not asking why they did it raises even more questions.
I've told you all I know. Obviously I don't log on this thread every time I count at some casino so there are more instances of play than you might think. I'm not doing anything else that they wouldn't like besides counting.
On another note, I'm now on a "promo ban" at Resorts. My host told me this. The strange part is that I got two comp nights there last week and didn't even attempt to play blackjack. I just gave them 500 in play through the 9:6 JoB machine.
Ok if you are now on a promo ban and you would like to call it. No mailed or comp restricted is what I normally call it. Anyways Something is going on with your card. I can only guess someone was using your card/name or identity while doing something nefariousness. Perhaps your friend was caught doing something and you are guilty by association. Perhaps there was a mix up with mistaken identity.Quote: Lemieux66I've told you all I know. Obviously I don't log on this thread every time I count at some casino so there are more instances of play than you might think. I'm not doing anything else that they wouldn't like besides counting.
On another note, I'm now on a "promo ban" at Resorts. My host told me this. The strange part is that I got two comp nights there last week and didn't even attempt to play blackjack. I just gave them 500 in play through the 9:6 JoB machine.
Buts obvious this has nothing to do with your personal play unless you are playing or doing something good you are not telling us about. I don't think you are because I cant imagine you would be stupid enough to be jacking around for $300 in comps. Then again I have heard some strange stories of how dumb people are regarding gambling related things.
Quote: rdw4potusI don't understand the freezing and unfreezing of the comp dollars. Surely you're only doing this once, and taking the 2:1 cash/freeplay. Or spending them at a retail outlet. Anything so you don't have to make a further spectacle of yourself in a town where you're already worried about too much attention...
Yeah, I couldn't quite wrap my head around the idea that every time he wants to get a sandwich for $11, he has to ask permission. Me, I would spend every penny and move on. Although I suppose if I wanted to be spiteful, I would do just that, and make them deal with it each time.
Quote: rdw4potusI don't understand the freezing and unfreezing of the comp dollars. Surely you're only doing this once, and taking the 2:1 cash/freeplay. Or spending them at a retail outlet. Anything so you don't have to make a further spectacle of yourself in a town where you're already worried about too much attention...
They will give you freeplay for your comp dollars? Damn, I wish my local casino did that. I have more comp dollars than I will ever use.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceThey will give you freeplay for your comp dollars? Damn, I wish my local casino did that. I have more comp dollars than I will ever use.
I'll take a free lunch next time I'm in town :p
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceThey will give you freeplay for your comp dollars? Damn, I wish my local casino did that. I have more comp dollars than I will ever use.
I don't think Borgata does give freeplay for comp dollars.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceThis is just such a strange story. The shift manager has nothing better to do than play with $300 of comps for a red and green chip player?
They must really, really hate you. I have no idea why, but it can't just be the counting. It's not like you are hitting them for 10s of thousands a night.
Something else is going on here, and I (like many others) am REALLY curious to find out what it is.
I don't get the sense that there is some obvious piece of information Lemmy is holding back which would clear up the whole issue. If there was, I wouldn't expect to hear him as confused as everyone else. He's also offered to let others observe his play. With Ace back in town, we should have enough boots on the ground to make that happen. Maybe that will clear it all up.
Maybe it's time to start looking outside of the box. Perhaps a case of sharing a first and last name with a known big player or cheat? Might explain why so much interest in someone otherwise unremarkable (from a gaming standpoint of course - could be a fantastic human being for all I know :) ). They think he's biding his time waiting for the perfect opportunity to go for the big one? It might be worth it to have him check in with a shift manager and then keep an eye on him to insure against that.
Lemmy, you ever get caught using another identity or have someone else get caught using your comps?
Quote: beachbumbabsYeah, I couldn't quite wrap my head around the idea that every time he wants to get a sandwich for $11, he has to ask permission. Me, I would spend every penny and move on. Although I suppose if I wanted to be spiteful, I would do just that, and make them deal with it each time.
It depends if my black label status gets me into the buffet for 10 comp dollars still. If it does, I would probably get a dinner and then get some things in bread and butter to eat and drink later. I would probably blow 30 bucks or so at a time. If I can't get in for 10, I need to ponder it.
I thnk Axel is spot on and this is a case of either mistaken identity (remember he does wear hoodies and perhaps even sunglasses inside?) OR someone has gotten a hold of your players card and is hopping around town hole carding or something much more sinister. Casinos share names and aliases first and foremost. They don't always have pictures available or clear ones anyway. If a photo only shows someone in a hoody or cap pulled down low it sparks even more interest or scrutiny like someone is trying to pull a fast one and not be notices or ID'd.
I have no reason on this planet to doubt Lemmy's accounts although I will say that his level of play should never envoke the type of scrutiny and action he has received, therefore something must be going on and it may be something that he himself is unaware of.
If I were you Lemmy, I would stick to poker for a while and try to get your ear to the ground to see what is going on. If someone has a clone of your players card and is using it as cover for some crazy plays around town then you are going to get burned as you "kinda" fit the description and your name is your name........
Good luck trying to clear this mess up but one thing is for sure, casinos don't usually care about your level of play, counter or no counter so you should attempt to find out what is really going on.
Perhaps try and speak to a pit manager or shift manager and ask some questions? Investigative work in your position is free of charge!
Quote: gts4everI don't get the sense that there is some obvious piece of information Lemmy is holding back which would clear up the whole issue. If there was, I wouldn't expect to hear him as confused as everyone else. He's also offered to let others observe his play. With Ace back in town, we should have enough boots on the ground to make that happen. Maybe that will clear it all up.
Maybe it's time to start looking outside of the box. Perhaps a case of sharing a first and last name with a known big player or cheat? Might explain why so much interest in someone otherwise unremarkable (from a gaming standpoint of course - could be a fantastic human being for all I know :) ). They think he's biding his time waiting for the perfect opportunity to go for the big one? It might be worth it to have him check in with a shift manager and then keep an eye on him to insure against that.
Lemmy, you ever get caught using another identity or have someone else get caught using your comps?
I have never used another persons identity. From what I know, nobody had ever used mine either.
I also don't wear sunglasses and hoodies aren't allowed at blackjack.
Quote: Lemieux66hoodies aren't allowed at blackjack.
What? Really?
Quote: Lemieux66hoodies aren't allowed at blackjack.
What are you talking about? This is definitely false. I have played blackjack and other table games at Borgata in hooded sweatshirts. They don't allow phones in hand or earphones in your ear but there's no rule against hoods.
Quote: sodawaterWhat are you talking about? This is definitely false. I have played blackjack and other table games at Borgata in hooded sweatshirts. They don't allow phones in hand or earphones in your ear but there's no rule against hoods.
No way. I'm told I can't wear them. The dealers you deal with didnt do their job. They want to see your face.
Quote: Lemieux66No way. I'm told I can't wear them. The dealers you deal with didnt do their job. They want to see your face.
This has never happened to me and for years I wore ONLY hooded sweatshirts to the Borgata for the winter months. I don't want to identify myself but I could even tell you exactly what kind of hoodie it was.
Something is so off about this story. Are you sure you're not on some sort of list?
Quote: sodawaterThis has never happened to me and for years I wore ONLY hooded sweatshirts to the Borgata for the winter months. I don't want to identify myself but I could even tell you exactly what kind of hoodie it was.
Something is so off about this story. Are you sure you're not on some sort of list?
Oh I'm on a list. I played a bit at trop last week and after about an hour of on and off play I overheard "(My last name) is on the list". But that's besides the point because before I even got heat I was told I couldn't wear a hood. Actually wear it over a significant portion of my face.
For any new player, I am not aware of any such onerous restrictions.
Quote: Lemieux66Oh I'm on a list. I played a bit at trop last week and after about an hour of on and off play I overheard "(My last name) is on the list". But that's besides the point because before I even got heat I was told I couldn't wear a hood. Actually wear it over a significant portion of my face.
I would stop focusing on the fact that you are on the list and start focusing on “why” you are on the list. This may be hard to find out but once you do, I believe you can at least begin to try and put this ridiculousness behind you.
Try finding out more info, perhaps try your DGE contact to see if she could perhaps help? You could tell her that you have heard you are on some sort of “list” which is why you are being blackballed all around town but you have no idea what you may have done to incur such wrath.
If you have actually done some bad or questionable things and you know the casinos can prove it, then obviously don’t go this route.
Quote: edwardhou1That would be my educated guess- that L is already on a list and in order to continue playing, he has to basically adhere to whatever obnoxious rules Borgata imposes.
For any new player, I am not aware of any such onerous restrictions.
That's a possibility. It's not like I was some steady plop star playing blackjack every week before I learned how to count. I wouldn't know the rules imposed on people they like.
Quote: Lemieux66Oh I'm on a list. I played a bit at trop last week and after about an hour of on and off play I overheard "(My last name) is on the list". But that's besides the point because before I even got heat I was told I couldn't wear a hood. Actually wear it over a significant portion of my face.
Can you wear the hoodie at the poker tables, hey hey?
Quote: soxfanCan you wear the hoodie at the poker tables, hey hey?
At some casinos yes and some no.
Here's one. You aren't even allowed to wear a hood walking around the casino floor. Why would you be allowed to while playing blackjack?
Quote: Lemieux66I have never used another persons identity. From what I know, nobody had ever used mine either.
I also don't wear sunglasses and hoodies aren't allowed at blackjack.
Lemieux66,
just curious, do you also post on another board, under multiple handles, one of which is "EasyDave"?
I assume you are not here to provoke responses, & then try use them to censor members,- as goes on on that board?
Just asking.
Quote: Lemieux66At some casinos yes and some no.
Here's one. You aren't even allowed to wear a hood walking around the casino floor. Why would you be allowed to while playing blackjack?
Haha. This is ridiculous.
Quote: 7star4nowLemieux66,
just curious, do you also post on another board, under multiple handles, one of which is "EasyDave"?
I assume you are not here to provoke responses, & then try use them to censor members,- as goes on on that board?
Just asking.
No. This is the only forum I post at.
Quote: sodawaterHaha. This is ridiculous.
What exactly is ridiculous? Do you all live in some opposite land where security allow you to just do whatever the hell you want? Where if you're wearing a hood they just smile and say "LOOKIN GOOD!"? What world is this?
Quote: IbeatyouracesSame here in Detroit. Not even in the poker rooms. Phil Laak wouldn't be able to hide.
Never been to Detroit. But Lemiuex is specifically talking about AC and Borgata, and I was wearing a hood up on the casino floor in the Borgata as recently as Thursday, May 29.
Quote: sodawaterNever been to Detroit. But Lemiuex is specifically talking about AC and Borgata, and I was wearing a hood up on the casino floor in the Borgata as recently as Thursday, May 29.
Clearly that one case was an exception. I have been told for YEARS to remove the hood while walking the casino floor. Do you go to any casino besides borgata?
Quote: Lemieux66Clearly that one case was an exception. I have been told for YEARS to remove the hood while walking the casino floor. Do you go to any casino besides borgata?
Yes. And I have never been told to put my hood down, or ever seen or heard about anyone else being asked to put his hood down. What about hats? Plenty of people in AC wear baseball caps. What about in the winter? Plenty of people in AC wear big, hooded jackets. Casino entrances are right off the boardwalk. I have walked down the boardwalk into plenty of AC casinos in frigid weather wearing a large coat with a large hood up and never had anyone ask me to put it down.
Maybe you just look really, really suspicious?
Quote: Lemieux66Clearly that one case was an exception. I have been told for YEARS to remove the hood while walking the casino floor. Do you go to any casino besides borgata?
Dang, you need to write a book about yer adventure and all the cloaks and daggers skullduggerry goin on there in the AC. The whole place seems like coconut city to me and you couldn't pay me enough cake to ever visit there, again, hey hey.
Quote: rdw4potusAre you saying that you can't wear the hoodie at all? Or just that the hood can't be up?
Obviously you can wear the actual hoodie. Just you can't wear the hood. Only in certain casinos can you wear a hood while playing poker(Borgata and I believe Harrahs) while others you can't (Trop and Ballys).
