AcesAndEights
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January 25th, 2013 at 9:40:25 AM permalink
During the interview with Angela, she mentioned that some party pits operate under a "keep your own tips" policy. I thought this was strictly prohibited under the Nevada Gaming Code (or some other law) to prevent corruption and collusion? She did say that when she worked, it was a shared tip pool, but just among the party pit dealers (makes sense). So it may be that she was mistaken that some pits are keep your own.

I was just flabbergasted that she mentioned that and neither Bob nor Mike said anything. I was under the impression every casino in NV was shared, but I guess I could be wrong.
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DRich
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January 25th, 2013 at 9:42:35 AM permalink
It is not a Nevada law or a Gaming Commission rule.
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January 25th, 2013 at 9:55:13 AM permalink
Nope..
In Reno, only two casinos are still "Table-for-Table"....GSR and Eldorado.
At JANugget, its a 24-hour split, but it's also capped, so that any more than say +$5 per hour in tips, goes back to the house, rather than the employees...
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January 25th, 2013 at 11:19:30 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

It is not a Nevada law or a Gaming Commission rule.


Huh, crazy. Is it true that all casinos in Vegas function on a tip pool? I have always just assumed that, due to lack of any mechanism for each dealer to keep track of their own tips. Usually the tip boxes are somewhat-permanently attached to the table.

All the casinos here in my locality are keep-your-own, so each dealer has his own little toke box that is removable and they take it with them to each table.
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January 25th, 2013 at 12:26:39 PM permalink
Quote: TIMSPEED

At JANugget, its a 24-hour split, but it's also capped, so that any more than say +$5 per hour in tips, goes back to the house, rather than the employees...



Can anyone verify this? I just can't believe that any money put in a tip box goes to the house......
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January 25th, 2013 at 12:41:29 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Can anyone verify this? I just can't believe that any money put in a tip box goes to the house......


Yes please, someone else verify this...I'm not positive of the exact AMOUNT of the cap (ie: +$5 per hour) but I know there IS a cap...and it's not high enough! (ie: it's less than $15 an hour total)
A friendly bartender told me this one night, and he's worked for Johnny for 35 years...corroborated by an ex-dealer (quit just this past year) but he said "Dealers are NOT allowed to mention the tip-cap"...so it might be difficult to verify, unless you talk to an EX dealer...
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January 25th, 2013 at 2:26:35 PM permalink
Very few Table For Table places remain. Just about everyone pools tips and shares them on a per shift basis. Usually only Poker dealers have shirt pockets in their uniforms, this being to facilitate their taking tips with them which is the custom in most poker rooms which have limited tip sharing for a few employees. Party Pit tips are usually pooled amongst the go go dancers/dealers. Real black jack dealers have to pool their tips with other dealers.

If there is no union agreement, the state law is that an employer may make it mandatory for an employee to join in a tip pooling agreement but can not use such tips to meet his minimum wage obligations.
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January 25th, 2013 at 3:21:25 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Very few Table For Table places remain. Just about everyone pools tips and shares them on a per shift basis. Usually only Poker dealers have shirt pockets in their uniforms, this being to facilitate their taking tips with them which is the custom in most poker rooms which have limited tip sharing for a few employees. Party Pit tips are usually pooled amongst the go go dancers/dealers. Real black jack dealers have to pool their tips with other dealers.

If there is no union agreement, the state law is that an employer may make it mandatory for an employee to join in a tip pooling agreement but can not use such tips to meet his minimum wage obligations.


Hmm good info. So is it true that if the employer doesn't make tip-pooling mandatory, they can use tips to meet the minimum wage obligations? I know this is true for food servers almost everywhere, unsure if it's also true for casino employees. I'm sure it varies by state, like everything.
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January 25th, 2013 at 3:37:00 PM permalink
Silverton's craps tables are going table-for-table. It's not common in Vegas. The dealers are doing better now, but in the beginning they were making the same money as before
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January 25th, 2013 at 4:10:43 PM permalink
In Nevada there is no "tipped wage" like there is in other states. (I.e., ithe employer can pay their servers/valets/whatever $2.23 per hour and make up the rest of the m.w. obligation in tips). So every dealer/valet/server makes $7.25 an hour base which is the state m.w.
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January 25th, 2013 at 4:20:16 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

In Nevada there is no "tipped wage" like there is in other states. (I.e., ithe employer can pay their servers/valets/whatever $2.23 per hour and make up the rest of the m.w. obligation in tips). So every dealer/valet/server makes $7.25 an hour base which is the state m.w.


Cool, thanks Teddy. I did not know that was the law in Nevada, I thought almost every state had the "tipped wage" provision for food service workers.
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January 25th, 2013 at 4:26:23 PM permalink
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Cool, thanks Teddy. I did not know that was the law in Nevada, I thought almost every state had the "tipped wage" provision for food service workers.


Ah, good, USA-wide reference for minimum wage requirements.
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January 25th, 2013 at 5:43:19 PM permalink
Believe it or not I got to see paystubs from many casinos workers as part of my (former) job. I can't talk specifics but some of them were pretty interesting . . . you'd be surprised how much valets make, for example.
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