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Can't withdraw bonus after meeting playthrough at Casino Extreme online casino. They say bonuses are not withdrawable?
Is that true of bonuses at all online casinos? What good is bonus if it can never be withdrawn?

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Can't withdraw bonus after meeting playthrough at Casino Extreme online casino. They say bonuses are not withdrawable?
Is that true of bonuses at all online casinos? What good is bonus if it can never be withdrawn?
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I believe that is true at most online casinos. Most require you to bet the bonus at least once before withdrawing it. For example, if you have a $100 bonus play 10 hands of blackjack at $10 each. You can then withdraw whatever is left of that $100.

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Can't withdraw bonus after meeting playthrough at Casino Extreme online casino. They say bonuses are not withdrawable?
Is that true of bonuses at all online casinos? What good is bonus if it can never be withdrawn?
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I believe that is true at most online casinos. Most require you to bet the bonus at least once before withdrawing it. For example, if you have a $100 bonus play 10 hands of blackjack at $10 each. You can then withdraw whatever is left of that $100.
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That’s not what happened with my 5 different online sports books. IIRC 3 of them only required a 1 x playthrough then the entire sum was withdrawable. The other 2 required 5x playthrough then the entire sum was withdrawable.

Of course it’s possible ‘casino’ and ‘Sportsbook’ have different rules.

More thought…. Let’s say I put in $1k and get a matching bonus of $1k. IIRC, 1x playthrough meant $2k in bets, not $1k.

OP——. Did you playthrough the initial DEPOSIT and the bonus? If not, maybe that’s why you aren’t being allowed to withdraw?


Edit…. I know remember the details about my sign up bonus from Caesars. I had to deposit $3k and got a bonus match of $3k, plus an extra $300 bonus as a thank you sign on gift.
Before I would be allowed to withdraw anything above the $3k I’d have to play through all $6300 once. So I made 63 $100 bets at -110 odds. Figuring I’d end up with around $6k fully withdrawable. I was very lucky and ended up with over $7k. I didn’t withdraw immediately, but over the year have withdrawn with no issues. Well over the bonus amount.

Wagering requirements are usually pitched at a level to make losing the bonus more likely than ever withdrawing anything. E.g 30x bonus amount or 30x (Sum (Deposit amount & bonus amount))
Also, many impose contribution restrictions such as Blackjack only counts 5% to wagering requirements, roulette only contributes 10% etc.

There are ways and means of side-stepping wagering requirements almost completely.

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Can't withdraw bonus after meeting playthrough at Casino Extreme online casino. They say bonuses are not withdrawable?
Is that true of bonuses at all online casinos? What good is bonus if it can never be withdrawn?
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They have a myriad of different bonus schemes. What kind of bonus did you take?

IIRC A popular bonus is a fantom bonus(kinda like a sticky bonus), They give you a generous percentage, perhaps it's 200% or more. The wagering requirement is low one or two times D+B, however, the bonus and deposit is a win-or-lose type of situation. You may only cash out anything above your cash and bonus balance, the bonus amount is removed from your balance upon cash out.

Make sure you know what the maximum bet they allow on each different bonus they offer is, it's probably between $5 and $10, and some games are excluded.

Once you finish the wagering requirements, whatever you are left with will determine if you can cash out or not. Remember, The bonus amount will be removed from your account. Also, they might have a specific bonus where you can only cash out if your winnings are double your deposit amount minus the bonus. IE a $100 deposit gets you a $300% bonus so, your account would need to be $500 in order to cash out $200.

They might have bonuses that won't allow you to cash out unless your balance is equal to or greater than your deposit minus the bonus.


This is from memory and my understanding, so I could be wrong. You need to read the terms and conditions and get clarification. I suggest asking in live chat if you're uncertain or don't understand. Come up with specific examples when asking questions, and always save the chat log somehow.

Thank you all for your great responses.

YES THETRE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SPORTSBOOKS BONUES AND THESE CASINO BONUSES.
I JUST DIDN"T REALIZE THAT. MY BAD.
SHOULDN"T BE PLAYING ONLINE CASINOS ANYWAY - STUPID!!!!

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Thank you all for your great responses.

YES THETRE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SPORTSBOOKS BONUES AND THESE CASINO BONUSES.
I JUST DIDN"T REALIZE THAT. MY BAD.
SHOULDN"T BE PLAYING ONLINE CASINOS ANYWAY - STUPID!!!!
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I don't think it's stupid to play online. You just have to be more cautious and read the T's&C's.

I don't think you are stupid for not understanding what you got yourself into. I have played many online casinos and I'm still stumped as to how some strange bonuses actually work. I find myself second-guessing myself even after reading the terms.

Not all bonuses are designed that way(most are not), you just happened to have stumbled onto one of the more convoluted setups. Their bonuses can be up to 1000% It really gives someone lots of ammo to play for a very long time for a small investment and a chance to win. I see why many people like that casino.

IIRC WinAday has a "low wagering" straightforward bonus with a 10x rollover or 250% with a 25x https://lcb.org/casinos/win-a-day-casino. They probably have free no deposit chips as well.

As far as getting paid and good CS they have been very reputable.

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Thank you all for your great responses.

YES THETRE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SPORTSBOOKS BONUES AND THESE CASINO BONUSES.
I JUST DIDN"T REALIZE THAT. MY BAD.
SHOULDN"T BE PLAYING ONLINE CASINOS ANYWAY - STUPID!!!!
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Only play legal state regulated casinos online, they tend to have the most clearly stated bonus requirements (and generally lesser playthrough requirements, often only 1x). (And, it's just safer for a whole host of other reasons).

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IIRC WinAday has a "low wagering" straightforward bonus with a 10x rollover or 250% with a 25x https://lcb.org/casinos/win-a-day-casino. They probably have free no deposit chips as well.

As far as getting paid and good CS they have been very reputable.
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Fixing the link:
https://lcb.org/casinos/win-a-day-casino

I wish to echo the Read the Rules sentiment.
All the rules. Understand them before you deposit.

the casino that op is speaking about is a bitcoin casino... not going to lie this seems like a more legit casino than most of the online casinos that ive been too in the sense that its easy to see what the terms are and the clarity of the website in general

going to assume op didnt click on the "terms" links next to the deposits i mean i did this in like less than 5 minutes it was easier to find the terms than ive ever had anywhere else

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Thank you all for your great responses.

YES THETRE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SPORTSBOOKS BONUES AND THESE CASINO BONUSES.
I JUST DIDN"T REALIZE THAT. MY BAD.
SHOULDN"T BE PLAYING ONLINE CASINOS ANYWAY - STUPID!!!!
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Only play legal state regulated casinos online, they tend to have the most clearly stated bonus requirements (and generally lesser playthrough requirements, often only 1x). (And, it's just safer for a whole host of other reasons).
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There are a host of reasons to the contrary. I'll name one important reason. Not everyone has access to state-regulated casinos. Heck, I live in Las Vegas and we don't have access to state-regulated casino games. Sports betting and poker are about it.

keep in mind guys this might be a round about way to advertise the casino... "organic" chatter if you will

They're a WoO APPROVED casino, so they certainly don't want for advertising here.

Here is the Casino Extreme review, in fact:

https://wizardofodds.com/online-gambling/casino-reviews/casino-extreme/

I wrote the part about the payouts and graded them A and A+ for really quick payout times, though I don't know if the terms are still exactly the same as that was written quite sometime ago, so as ever, anyone with an interest in playing there would do well to read and understand the Terms & Conditions for themselves. What is written on the review is the case as of the time I wrote that, which was likely three or four years ago.

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Thank you all for your great responses.

YES THETRE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SPORTSBOOKS BONUES AND THESE CASINO BONUSES.
I JUST DIDN"T REALIZE THAT. MY BAD.
SHOULDN"T BE PLAYING ONLINE CASINOS ANYWAY - STUPID!!!!
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Only play legal state regulated casinos online, they tend to have the most clearly stated bonus requirements (and generally lesser playthrough requirements, often only 1x). (And, it's just safer for a whole host of other reasons).
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There are a host of reasons to the contrary. I'll name one important reason. Not everyone has access to state-regulated casinos. Heck, I live in Las Vegas and we don't have access to state-regulated casino games. Sports betting and poker are about it.
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Maybe, but I said "safer for a whole host of other reasons", strictly on the concept of safety there are not a whole host of reasons to the contrary (in fact there is not even one).
Limited accessibility does not make them less safe (and offshore casinos more safe).

Bovada is probably the gold standard of offshore casinos (for most of this site's history it was the only Wizard approved online casino), and even that has its issues (major issues) and cannot compete with even the most mediocre NJ casino as far as customer service and withdraw options. There just is no comparison.

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Thank you all for your great responses.

YES THETRE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SPORTSBOOKS BONUES AND THESE CASINO BONUSES.
I JUST DIDN"T REALIZE THAT. MY BAD.
SHOULDN"T BE PLAYING ONLINE CASINOS ANYWAY - STUPID!!!!
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Only play legal state regulated casinos online, they tend to have the most clearly stated bonus requirements (and generally lesser playthrough requirements, often only 1x). (And, it's just safer for a whole host of other reasons).
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There are a host of reasons to the contrary. I'll name one important reason. Not everyone has access to state-regulated casinos. Heck, I live in Las Vegas and we don't have access to state-regulated casino games. Sports betting and poker are about it.
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Maybe, but I said "safer for a whole host of other reasons", strictly on the concept of safety there are not a whole host of reasons to the contrary (in fact there is not even one).
Limited accessibility does not make them less safe (and offshore casinos more safe).

Bovada is probably the gold standard of offshore casinos (for most of this site's history it was the only Wizard approved online casino), and even that has its issues (major issues) and cannot compete with even the most mediocre NJ casino as far as customer service and withdraw options. There just is no comparison.
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You said "Only play legal state regulated casinos online"

Yeah, it's definitely Safer if you can't access a casino and you don't there gamble at all. Oh, wait... DanDruff: Fraudsters stole up to $10,000 each from poker pros, likely due to a legalized betting payment processor breach. I was one of the victims. https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?24327-Fraudster-stole-up-to-10-000-each-from-poker-pros-likely-due-to-a-legalized-betting-payment-processor-breach-I-was-one-of-the-victims

Sam Antar claims that he was often disconnected when he appeared to have a favorable hand. But whenever he threatened to inform regulators at the New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement about the errors, Antar asserted, he repeatedly would receive free betting credits from BetMGM to soothe his concerns.
https://www.usbets.com/crazy-eddies-nephew-sues-betmgm/

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/detroit-woman-says-mgm-wont-pay-3-million-she-won-in-online-game-due-to-glitch

Have you ever actually read the terms and conditions at state-regulated online casinos? Some are even more shifty than places like Bovada. I swear the same shifty outfits are now running the state-regulated online casinos.
Even worst, at one time they were charging a fee and taking funds from accounts that were dormant for x period of time, they may still be doing this. And They can do background checks without your consent.

Obviously, state-regulated casinos have a gaming control board, and the main difference. But supposedly so do Indian casinos and we all know how safe those places are. You should include that no one should play at Indian casinos. Heck, you should just say only ever play at a casino if you have an advantage.

I think saying, "Only play legal state regulated casinos online" is a disservice to people who enjoy online gambling.

I will play anywhere it appears that it has the ingredients I look for.
There is always risk present in many different forms cheating, refusal to pay etc...
You are not just gambling while playing one of the games you made a bet the
very instance you made a deposit. Online, B/M, regulated, US regulated you made
a bet. So do your best to vet before deposit but again if it looks good I will play it US regulated or not.

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I will play anywhere it appears that it has the ingredients I look for.
There is always risk present in many different forms cheating, refusal to pay etc...
You are not just gambling while playing one of the games you made a bet the
very instance you made a deposit Online, B/R, regulated, US regulated you made
a bet. So do your best to vet before deposit but again if it looks good I will play it US regulated or not.
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I have played countless unregulated online casinos. I can count the number of times I have not gotten paid on one hand. A few of those times were even my fault. The amounts I haven't got paid adds up to less than $300.

The last time I got screwed from an online casino was..wait for it... A state-regulated online casino. And it was for thousands. They let me make a deposit, get a bonus, use/bet my money+the bonus, I won but, then they took some of the winnings away because they said I had an account from a different state years ago. Had I lost the bet, they wouldn't have refunded it if I told them I had an account years ago. They should have never given me the bonus in the first place and informed me of that fact. They were free rolling me. That's ok since I'm always free rolling them.

Funny story about the disconnection issues on the poker sites in pa

I was once in a hand - I forget what I had - pretty sure it was something decent probably aces

Early position opener probably UTG opens big and I think I re raise to isolate

Flip comes 9TJ and UTG immediately disconnected

Me being the openly “poker is rigged” kind of dude I immediately have an idea of what his hand is because of his disconnect

I say to the chat “I know what his hand is they only disconnect monster hands” mostly joking hoping I don’t really know

I said “I’m going to check this down and prove to you I know what his hand is he has pocket queens”

The turn comes and wouldn’t you know it completes an open ended str most likely an 8 because it didn’t help me at all

I keep chatting “ yup just watch i would hate to be disconnected with that hand” continue to check down

The river is blank

Dude finally comes back and he definitely sees my chat

Pretty sure I spooked him because he checked down his nutted hand and takes the win

He had pocket queens

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Thank you all for your great responses.

YES THETRE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SPORTSBOOKS BONUES AND THESE CASINO BONUSES.
I JUST DIDN"T REALIZE THAT. MY BAD.
SHOULDN"T BE PLAYING ONLINE CASINOS ANYWAY - STUPID!!!!
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Only play legal state regulated casinos online, they tend to have the most clearly stated bonus requirements (and generally lesser playthrough requirements, often only 1x). (And, it's just safer for a whole host of other reasons).
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There are a host of reasons to the contrary. I'll name one important reason. Not everyone has access to state-regulated casinos. Heck, I live in Las Vegas and we don't have access to state-regulated casino games. Sports betting and poker are about it.
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Maybe, but I said "safer for a whole host of other reasons", strictly on the concept of safety there are not a whole host of reasons to the contrary (in fact there is not even one).
Limited accessibility does not make them less safe (and offshore casinos more safe).

Bovada is probably the gold standard of offshore casinos (for most of this site's history it was the only Wizard approved online casino), and even that has its issues (major issues) and cannot compete with even the most mediocre NJ casino as far as customer service and withdraw options. There just is no comparison.
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You said "Only play legal state regulated casinos online"

Yeah, it's definitely Safer if you can't access a casino and you don't there gamble at all. Oh, wait... DanDruff: Fraudsters stole up to $10,000 each from poker pros, likely due to a legalized betting payment processor breach. I was one of the victims. https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?24327-Fraudster-stole-up-to-10-000-each-from-poker-pros-likely-due-to-a-legalized-betting-payment-processor-breach-I-was-one-of-the-victims

Sam Antar claims that he was often disconnected when he appeared to have a favorable hand. But whenever he threatened to inform regulators at the New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement about the errors, Antar asserted, he repeatedly would receive free betting credits from BetMGM to soothe his concerns.
https://www.usbets.com/crazy-eddies-nephew-sues-betmgm/

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/detroit-woman-says-mgm-wont-pay-3-million-she-won-in-online-game-due-to-glitch

Have you ever actually read the terms and conditions at state-regulated online casinos? Some are even more shifty than places like Bovada. I swear the same shifty outfits are now running the state-regulated online casinos.
Even worst, at one time they were charging a fee and taking funds from accounts that were dormant for x period of time, they may still be doing this. And They can do background checks without your consent.

Obviously, state-regulated casinos have a gaming control board, and the main difference. But supposedly so do Indian casinos and we all know how safe those places are. You should include that no one should play at Indian casinos. Heck, you should just say only ever play at a casino if you have an advantage.

I think saying, "Only play legal state regulated casinos online" is a disservice to people who enjoy online gambling.
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Oh you will get no opposition from me telling people to avoid Indian Casinos. Tribal land should be avoided at all cost (casino or otherwise). I have made many posts against Indian casinos (and none in favor), so the assumption that I would defend them (or even the Tribal System more broadly) is not fair. But, this thread was simply about online withdrawals so my focus was online casinos. I don't know if there are online Indian Casinos, but if there are I would put them in the same boat as offshore casinos (as essentially they are legally).

But, I don't think advising people to only play at State regulated casinos is a disservice to people who enjoy online gambling. Its sound advice, and advice that I wish I had heard (I grew up spoiled because I turned 21 just as online casinos were legalized in NJ, so even though I never gambled a ton online, all of my online gambling was done through NJ casinos, which are very nice), and I was thoroughly put off when playing at offshore casinos (even Bovada was not great, without even getting into some of the shadier ones).

Unless you enjoy using crypto for deposits and withdraws, even Bovada is too complicated (and they charge a fee to use a debit or credit card to give them money, and a fee to have your money mailed by check which is the only way to receive legit currency, and its a foreign check so have fun at the bank trying to deposit it -I don't know any bank that allows mobile or online deposit of a foreign check, so you will have to go in person, and may have to go to a specific branch and pay another fee at the bank on top of the fee just to mail them a check, which is 100.00USD per check at Bovada-....) So even bonus issues aside, withdraws of money that is without dispute rightfully yours is a pain (and pricey) unless you want to use crypto (which has problems in and of itself). These are not nonissues to consider (And, this is all Bovada, the most legit offshore casino, some of the other ones in even more sketch territory are even more obtuse).

I don't gamble online anymore, not in years (and have zero desire to, most of the enjoyment I get from gambling is the environment of being in the casino). I think the last time I used an online casino was to make a deposit to an online account for that casino while at the casino physically just to withdraw it at the cashier (this is a great way to safely deposit and withdraw funds without paying ATM fees or having to carry cash to and from the casino, and then you can just transfer it to you bank when you leave for the night. At least in NJ all online casinos have to be tied to a physical location that must give you access to your funds in person instantly, so its a great way around ATMs and carrying cash, and not have to use the casino credit department, easy way to put money into and out of your bank without leaving the casino or dealing with the credit department, and since most casinos have mobile apps now its super easy.)

I have never heard of and certainly do not support dormant fees (granted I don't think I have every left money in more than 48 hours, so I probably would not experience it). But, if true I agree this is a scummy thing to do. As for background checks, I don't have an issue with this (as long as they do not do a hard hit on my credit without my consent, I really do not care). Since most of the casinos that I have/had online accounts with are places I played somewhat regularly I just assume they know everything about me anyway.

The identity theft stuff is appalling, but that can happen anywhere, and it seems to have happened to people who did not have accounts with that casino (I am not very familiar with West Viginia or BetMGM, so I have no idea what kind of identity verification they require to open an account and link it to a checking account, they should mandate tests deposits where they make two deposits of a few cents into your account, and you have to verify the deposit amounts, but it does not sound like they do that).

As for only playing if you have an advantage, most people (myself included) are recreational gamblers, the point of casinos is to have fun (and expect to lose), but you shouldn't be in fear of your whole bankroll being frozen for some arbitrary reason.

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...you shouldn't be in fear of your whole bankroll being frozen for some arbitrary reason.
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I've had that happen with Mainstream (European) online Casinos and shady, barely regulated ones.... But only after upsetting them by playing advantageously.
The trick is to keep the balance low. If recreationally playing it's not a big problem.