Random roller thrown out
This random roller literally took minutes between rolls, making speeches, rolling the two dice over and over in front of him before picking them up, and then shaking the dice in his hand for what seemed like an eternity before throwing them hard and often off the table.
Dice setters were allowed to set their dice and throw them as normal because they do it quickly.
Quote: AlanMendelsonA random roller at Red Rock casino was told he couldn't throw the dice anymore there because he took too long between throws. When he protested he was thrown out.
This random roller literally took minutes between rolls, making speeches, rolling the two dice over and over in front of him before picking them up, and then shaking the dice in his hand for what seemed like an eternity before throwing them hard and often off the table.
Dice setters were allowed to set their dice and throw them as normal because they do it quickly.
Good for the casino! I am sure he was given a bunch of warnings. There is a reasonable time you should be given to roll them bones. The rest of the players at the table probably were pleased.
Quote: AlanMendelsonA random roller at Red Rock casino was told he couldn't throw the dice anymore there because he took too long between throws. When he protested he was thrown out.
This random roller literally took minutes between rolls, making speeches, rolling the two dice over and over in front of him before picking them up, and then shaking the dice in his hand for what seemed like an eternity before throwing them hard and often off the table.
Dice setters were allowed to set their dice and throw them as normal because they do it quickly.
There was a guy at Red a Rock a long while back who had about a 2 minute routine before tossing. Every gyration in the book....shake, flip, set, roll, pick up again, then he would eventually set the dice and walk back 2 or 3 steps, do a fist pump and quickly run back to the rail and toss the dice.
I’m not surprised they kicked this guy out. My bet is he was warned several times before it got to being booted. They are generally pretty good at Red Rock with letting stuff go. I’ve seen zero arc players there and no one says a word to them.
The pit boss, a gravelly voiced East Coast type, told me that if I did that again he was going to ask me to leave.
I rolled some more and got frustrated, pulled out about six grand from my pocket and threw it on the table for chips. I noticed the pit boss typing on his computer and he must have then realized that I additionally had a credit line that was fully open and unused.
And then he came over to me put his arm around me, gave me his business card and assured me that "Anything you want, you got it!"
Money talks in Vegas, or in any casino. He had assumed I was just some teenage looking kid until he caught wind of the deng. A little (or a lot) of cash purges most any Vegas transgression.
If Charlie Manson checked into the Sahara tomorrow morning, nobody would hassle him as long as he tipped big.
First time I played craps I knew you had to hit the back wall, but I thought you had to hit the back wall ON THE FLY. Had a few line drive throws and then threw the dice off once. Stickman must have realized I was new and quietly said (I was stick right) to gently aim for the “COME” on the table and the dice will make it to the wall. Solid advice.
You really showed him ...
Later some guy came up to me and asked me what I did [for a living], "because, you threw that money on the line like it was nothing."
You've seen Goodfellas? Robert DeNiro throwing his money on the line?
"The Irishman is here to take you Guineas' money."
It's just a way of putting your money on the table when excited.
As far as Sabre...I take it he doesn't have much to talk about in the locker room. I'm sorry to have offended your sense of decency.
Quote: MDawg
I rolled some more and got frustrated, pulled out about six grand from my pocket and threw it on the table for chips.
I hope you threw that money out during your roll. But if you did it during someone else's turn with the dice and it wasn't after a point was just decided (when the puck is off) it was simply bad etiquette.
Money doesn't mean you can set your own craps etiquette.
Quote: MDawgTD I've done it like that before. Around that same era (I was barely legal age to be in casinos) I had I think it was two grand on the line or maybe it was three in chips and I made a point and I needed to back it up to max odds, I whipped out in cash whatever it was and counted it onto the line, fast - well, behind the line, actually, but Fast.
Later some guy came up to me and asked me what I did [for a living], "because, you threw that money on the line like it was nothing."
You've seen Goodfellas? Robert DeNiro throwing his money on the line?
"The Irishman is here to take you Guineas' money."
It's just a way of putting your money on the table when excited.
As far as Sabre...I take it he doesn't have much to talk about in the locker room. I'm sorry to have offended your sense of decency.
If you are equating mobster actions with class or even appropriate behavior...I have no words.
I know the crowd went wild because we all started to win and the pit boss came over to give me his oily one arm around me con pitch, which made me laugh but I just went with it.
Over time I had ups and downs at craps which evened out but I quit pretty quickly and switched to blackjack, where winning was much easier. Craps may be a very fun and exciting game but I never found a way to win at it consistently and I gave it up.
Over all, I don't think throwing the dice out of the pit on occasion is such a big deal - shaking the bones three minutes per roll, as you described, would be though.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI hope you threw that money out during your roll. But if you did it during someone else's turn with the dice and it wasn't after a point was just decided (when the puck is off) it was simply bad etiquette.
My understanding of craps etiquette that buy-ins (especially re-buys if you have already wagered during the shooter's turn) are OK as long as the dice are still on the table.
Quote: coachbellyMy understanding of craps etiquette that buy-ins (especially re-buys if you have already wagered during the shooter's turn) are OK as long as the dice are still on the table.
To be clear: you don't want to delay the shooter, that's bad etiquette. If you're the shooter and you want to delay yourself go ahead.
Bets and chip buys should only be made before the dice are pushed to the shooter.
The issue is that someone is doing a six thousand dollar buy in. I dont care what casino you're playing in, but a six thousand dollar buy in will cause a long delay and it's bad news when you do it during someone else's roll.
Ever see a six thousand dollar buy in?
First the money is spread out based on denomination, usually ten bills at a time. No more than four rows of ten bills at a time. At some casinos, five bills per row. When its $100s there are four rows of ten bills then they are stacked and then two more rows of ten bills.
If there are 50s or 20s the process involves more rows, more counting, more stacking.
While some casinos might allow the game to continue with a boxman doing the counting there has already been an interruption. You also run the chance of cash on the table being blamed for affecting the dice should the dice hit the money. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. But why cause a problem for darksiders or rightway players?
Quote: AlanMendelsonBut why cause a problem for darksiders or rightway players?
Are you saying that if you bust your rail during someone else's turn, then you should wait until that shooter's turn is over before making another prop bet ?
It's poor etiquette, a problem for other players, to buy more chips to keep playing ?
Quote: coachbellyAre you saying that if you bust your rail during someone else's turn, then you should wait until that shooter's turn is over before making another prop bet ?
It's poor etiquette, a problem for other players, to buy more chips to keep playing ?
It's really hard to bust your rail during someone else's roll and the shooter still has the dice. Are you making a lot of middle of the table horn bets while the shooter is rolling 6s and 8s?
I think you're just trying to pick a fight.
The real question is are you asking for another $100 in chips or are you throwing in six thousand.
Quote: AlanMendelsonIt's really hard to bust your rail during someone else's roll and the shooter still has the dice.
Doesn't seem that difficult, I've seen many players approach the table with just a few chips, make a line bet, then buy-in for more chips after the come-out roll, sometimes well into the pass.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI think you're just trying to pick a fight.
I consider that remark to be a breach of forum etiquette.
Actually the real question is as follows...what is the minimum buy-in amount that exceeds the poor etiquette threshold?
Quote: TDVegasI have no words.
i.e. You are shocked, shocked!
Quote: coachbellyDoesn't seem that difficult, I've seen many players approach the table with just a few chips, make a line bet, then buy-in for more chips after the come-out roll, sometimes well into the pass.
There's nothing wrong with that but not for six grand. However that wasn't your statement or question. You were asking about someone busting their rail while the shooter continued his roll.
Like I said, you're just trying to pick a fight.
Quote: coachbelly
Actually the real question is as follows...what is the minimum buy-in amount that exceeds the poor etiquette threshold?
As long as it doesn't delay the game and the shooter.
Going back to the original post, the player was shown the door for delaying the game.
I was playing at one of the lower end casinos downtown Vegas once at their limit - five hundred - and was accused just because I won a few in a row. They didn't do anything to me, just the pit boss shouted at me to "stop setting the dice!" It was nonsense I was just throwing winners - at best - telekinesis. 😃
Quote: AlanMendelsonYou were asking about someone busting their rail while the shooter continued his roll.
You're splitting hairs.
If the player places all of his chips into his rail, and then onto the felt, he has busted his rail without difficulty.
If another player enters the game with a few chips, makes his line bet but holds a couple chips back in his rail, then tosses the remaining chips on the field after the come-out roll and loses the field bet, he has also busted his rail without difficulty.
How much can they then buy in for, so that they can continue to bet during the remainder of the shooter's pass, without being accused of displaying poor etiquette?
Quote: AlanMendelsonAs long as it doesn't delay the game and the shooter.
Is there a threshold amount whereby betting above that amount would delay the game and the shooter beyond the limits of proper etiquette?
For instance...how many bills would be too much of a delay?
What they really don't want to do is do a partial color-up. Say I've got 40 reds in my rail, they'd rather I put them down as bets than ask them for greens.
Quote: coachbellyhow many bills would be too much of a delay?
Think back to the last time you played craps. Did your dealer have to clear it with the boxman for $100? Did he have to clear it for $200?
BTW, Australia is going cashless. How do you buy-in when everybody is losing their credit cards due to the pandemic?
[At the casino
If you're planning a trip to Sin City or any other casino-hub, you should know that you can't use your credit card directly to buy chips or play slots. In most states, casinos require cash or check to buy-in, and will send players to the ATM machine or cashier's cage in order to play. Sep 23, 2019]
Australia is also looking to make checks obsolete. Really. One bank posted a note saying they won't take deposits above $7500 in cash after July 1st (a month ago), and they won't take any cash deposits after the end of August (this month), and they won't take any checks after the end of this year.
Quote: AlanMendelsonThink back to the last time you played craps. Did your dealer have to clear it with the boxman for $100? Did he have to clear it for $200?
Yes to both amounts. It seems to depend on the denomination of the bills.
Is it poor etiquette to buy in for more chips if you need them to make additional bets during a shooter's pass?
Quote: ChumpChangenot a full buy-in amount like 50 chips or more.
I don't understand why the number of chips is a factor, $6K in cash can be exchanged for 2 chips.
Actually you would most likely be given two black chips.Quote: ChumpChangeI feel like I'm pushing it if I ask for more than 10-20 chips. What they really don't want to do is do a partial color-up. Say I've got 40 reds in my rail, they'd rather I put them down as bets than ask them for greens.
Quote: ChumpChange
BTW, Australia is going cashless. How do you buy-in when everybody is losing their credit cards due to the pandemic?
Australia is also looking to make checks obsolete. Really. One bank posted a note saying they won't take deposits above $7500 in cash after July 1st (a month ago), and they won't take any cash deposits after the end of August (this month), and they won't take any checks after the end of this year.
Could you post some online articles about this? About how Australia is looking to make checks obsolete?
Also about how a bank won't take more than $7500. in cash? and no cash deposits at all after August 31st?
Are you referring to this?
Australia to ban cash payments over AU$10,000 in the name of thwarting crime
The law making it illegal to make or accept cash payments over AU$10,000 was meant to come into force on January 1, but the Bill is still being probed by a Senate committee.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/australia-to-ban-cash-payments-over-au10000-in-the-name-of-thwarting-crime/#:~:text=ZDNet%20Academy-,Australia%20to%20ban%20cash%20payments%20over%20AU%2410%2C000%20in%20the,probed%20by%20a%20Senate%20committee.
what happened to that anyway, did it pass? which in any case <<The Government has said the measure would not apply to individual-to-individual transactions, such as private sales where the seller does not have an ABN, or cash payments to financial institutions.>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LAGj5wY_Is&fbclid=IwAR3KRuwBc3fE1-DB8oBeA1feOTOE9LVk4fh5JZxDJrktayVshI4exe1WB_c
RBA to phase out cheques in favour of electronic cash economy
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/rba-signals-cheque-s-days-are-numbered-20191210-p53ifo.html
Is Australia ready to go cashless? New survey reveals Aussies embracing mobile wallets
https://itbrief.com.au/story/is-australia-ready-to-go-cashless-new-survey-reveals-aussies-embracing-mobile-wallets
Digital Wallets VS Mobile Wallets | Merchant Maverick
https://www.merchantmaverick.com/digital-wallets-vs-mobile-wallets/
Changes-to-making-deposits-through-Westpac-Branches.pdf - Nothing to do with the $10,000 legislation, and this is the bank banning cash deposits at the end of August and not accepting checks at the end of the year, but they don't say that here.
https://anglicanchurchsq.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Changes-to-making-deposits-through-Westpac-Branches.pdf
Westpac is one of Australia's "big four" banks and is Australia's first and oldest banking institution.
[Is Westpac going broke?
Westpac is accused of 23 million breaches. That means it could potentially be fined more than A$1 trillion. The actual fine is likely to be bargained down, as Commonwealth Bank did in agreeing to pay A$700 million in 2018 for its own breaches of anti-money-laundering provisions. Nov 24, 2019]
Time to watch The Dark Tower (2017) on FX.
I see where you might have gotten that impression but the actual title of the article is
"RBA signals cheques are on the way out" not "RBA to phase out cheques in favour of electronic cash economy"
and indeed the words "phase" or "phase out" do not appear anywhere in the article, which is more along the lines of - that people are not using checks much anymore so they may fall into disuse, versus that checks are going to be banned.
Your YouTube report is as well more commentary on ongoing trends, such bank branches closing temporarily due to coronavirus, and indeed mentions that
"we're talking about hundreds of thousands of people who still want to use cash" which is a very far cry from "Australia is going cashless."
I actually don't see anything in your quoted sources or online that I found that substantiates that "Australia is going cashless." If anything, during the pandemic many people, increasingly distrustful of institutions, have started to stash currency to the point where it is becoming scarcer in circulation. There are many online article about that.
As far as Vegas, I think it will be a long time before chips are banned. The chip lulls people into forgetting that they are wagering actual money (moreso, I think, than electronic wagering which seems more like real funds), and is probably here to stay. This is my opinion, but I find no evidence to the contrary yet.
I really try to be careful not to say anything unless I am certain, which is why I asked if you had any evidence to support your claim.
Quote: coachbellyI don't understand why the number of chips is a factor, $6K in cash can be exchanged for 2 chips.
Dealers, to the best of my knowledge, are not permitted to put money into a drop box. If anyone knows of a casino where this is done, please tell me.
Dealers will accept $100 or $200 cash without a boxman or floornan to okay it, but the cash will be placed in front of the boxman position to be recorded for the player's account and to be verified and dropped.
In the case of large amounts, dealers cannot disperse chips. That's to protect the casino as well as the player.
The money is spread and counted by the box to verify not only for the player, and for the table but also for the eye.
So no, it's not a simple matter of throwing a wad of cash on the table and giving two chips... a 5k and a 1k.
If there were a casino without boxman verification of large transactions just imagine how much hanky panky there could be between a player and a dealer. It would make the Bellagio hop bet ring look like peanuts.
$100 or $200 waiting for a boxman to verify and drop is a usual limit for dealers to handle on their own. Certainly if you needed $40 to place the hardways it would not be an issue.
Quote: MDawgWhen I first started playing I played a little craps. I was playing, and mostly losing, pulling a hundred dollar bill out of my pocket at a time to buy more chips. I rolled the dice out of the pit twice.
The pit boss, a gravelly voiced East Coast type, told me that if I did that again he was going to ask me to leave.
I rolled some more and got frustrated, pulled out about six grand from my pocket and threw it on the table for chips. I noticed the pit boss typing on his computer and he must have then realized that I additionally had a credit line that was fully open and unused.
And then he came over to me put his arm around me, gave me his business card and assured me that "Anything you want, you got it!"
Money talks in Vegas, or in any casino. He had assumed I was just some teenage looking kid until he caught wind of the deng. A little (or a lot) of cash purges most any Vegas transgression.
If Charlie Manson checked into the Sahara tomorrow morning, nobody would hassle him as long as he tipped big.
haha.... i love this story. It exemplifies my slogan 'its all about the money, all of the time' `tm-wmw`.
As far as the roller taking minutes between rolls and playing with the dice and talking between rolls..... well, this is every day at the inner city casinos in philly. The only thing missing is the yelling, arguing, and banging the rails in frustration.
Perhaps the dude at the Red Rock was an AP just looking for an extra sandwich in comp time.
Quote: AlanMendelsonDealers, to the best of my knowledge, are not permitted to put money into a drop box. If anyone knows of a casino where this is done, please tell me.
Correct. Unless told otherwise.
Quote: AlanMendelsonDealers will accept $100 or $200 cash without a boxman or floornan to okay it, but the cash will be placed in front of the boxman position to be recorded for the player's account and to be verified and dropped.
Most will not need approval up to like $450 (unless its a Title31 thing, thats a totally diff issue) but then again, the boxman is at the table 95% of the time anyways so usually isn't a issue too often.
Others are correct though, depending on the pace of the table, there can be plenty of time to get a quick buy-in without delaying the shooter. I personally, think 4 rows can be done in plenty of time.
There's something weird here as just viewing the thread it's timed in the future (6:36AM 10/24), but as I'm replying it correctly shows as 22:36 BST (BST is 8 hours ahread of PST). (Currently 23h47BST)Quote: stephencmarvinThanks for your detailed info.
