Dice spinning in air
What is the point of throwing the dice and have it back spin on axis? Why have it spin at all? Seems like you'd be adding more variables to your throws. Can someone explain?
The correlation should be obvious.
Quote: FDEAD3709The graph of a quadratic function is a parabola. The axis of symmetry of a parabola is a vertical line that divides the parabola into two congruent halves. The axis of symmetry always passes through the vertex of the parabola . The x -coordinate of the vertex is the equation of the axis of symmetry of the parabola.
The correlation should be obvious.
I may have had a few beers tonight, so I might be a little buzzed, but I'm not seeing how this has something to do with dice influence or keeping dice "on axis".
"The x -coordinate of the vertex is the equation of the axis of symmetry of the parabola." -- I think there's a typo in here somewhere. If the x-coordinate is the equation, then that would mean x=y, which as far as I know, isn't a quadratic equation....
Quote: alphastormFirst of all, I don't believe in Dice influence.
Great.
So what is the point of your question?
Can you explain?
As for more variance: it the toss creates random results, you can't make it more random. If it isn't a random toss, the spin might be contributing to that - certainly while in the air, spin helps. It's the landing that's a killer.
The on axis spin encourages the subsequent roll to also be on axis.
If you can achieve this, then the throw only has 16 result combinations.
Set the dice first and the chance of rolling a 7 becomes 2/16 rather than 6/36.
Quote: DeMangoGreat.
So what is the point of your question?
Can you explain?
why people who think they can influence the die will spin the die in the air instead of trying to land it flat? Why add the extra variable? It's hard enough to get it to land in the same spot. Why make it harder? You could easily under or over spin a dice causing more randomness before it even hits the table.
Quote: odiousgambitback-spin just comes naturally to the way they are usually tossed; with the usual toss, hard to spin them the other way. You can try to do no spin at all.
As for more variance: it the toss creates random results, you can't make it more random. If it isn't a random toss, the spin might be contributing to that - certainly while in the air, spin helps. It's the landing that's a killer.
I was thinking doesn't no spin make more sense? And how does spin in the air help?
Quote: DJTeddyBear
The on axis spin encourages the subsequent roll to also be on axis.
If you can achieve this, then the throw only has 16 result combinations.
But why wouldn't it be easier to just throw it flat?
Quote: alphastormhow does spin in the air help?
same as how rifling - and the spin it gives - works in bullet ballistics
Speaking of dice setters has anyone heard from dicesitter? In all seriousness I hope everything is well with him, but it been a long time since he's posted )-;
Quote: FDEAD3709The graph of a quadratic function is a parabola. The axis of symmetry of a parabola is a vertical line that divides the parabola into two congruent halves. The axis of symmetry always passes through the vertex of the parabola . The x -coordinate of the vertex is the equation of the axis of symmetry of the parabola.
The correlation should be obvious.
Wow this paragraph could have been written in Hebrew and I would have understood exactly the same.
Just HOW do you do that? And even if you could, once they land, they're gonna bounce and roll.Quote: alphastorm... But why wouldn't it be easier to just throw it flat?
The whole goal of to get them to bounce and roll ON AXIS!
Can you actually throw it flat? That turns out to be really hard -- the dice almost always land with some corner or another hitting the table first as opposed to the entire face at once. By contrast, throwing the dice with a stable-looking backspin is very easy.Quote: alphastormBut why wouldn't it be easier to just throw it flat?
So if you're writing a book about how to control the dice for fun and profit, and step one is something that everyone can actually do, the book has more credibility going forward. Not that it deserves it, but if a dice-control book started with "you have to do this impossible thing, and then you can do step two" people wouldn't buy as many books and go to as many seminars.
Neither of the throwing techniques is "better" than the other vis-a-vis actually changing the results.
Quote: DanMahoneyI read some stuff from dicesitter a couple of weeks ago so I think he is doing ok but he may have just tired of fighting windmills. As far as spin goes, it helps, of course, to keep the dice on-axis during flight as some astute poster already mentioned. However, too much spin makes the landing chaotic. As a professional craps player, I have found that from the closer postions the optimum amount of rotation to keep the dice on axis, provide a braking influence, and optimize a control landing is between 1 1/4 to 1 3/4 rotations. This amount of rotation looks almost in slow motion to the uninitiated. The further away from the wall one tosses, the more amount of spin is usually needed to keep the dice on axis and provide sufficient braking influence but possibly at the expense of a rough landing. For further information one can contact the short bus, Las Vegas unbalanced dice research group or the Mesa, Arizona AARP Dice Control Gang.
A professional is a member of a profession or any person who earns their living from a specified professional activity. I assume you have some sort of a membership, and not the second definition.
Quote: DanMahoneyThe further away from the wall one tosses, the more amount of spin is usually needed to keep the dice on axis and provide sufficient braking influence but possibly at the expense of a rough landing.
So instead of having it land flat on the table, by spinning it, you're introducing a chance it could land at an edge. And when that happens, it could bounce all over the place making spinning on axis irrelevant. Let's assume this braking influence is true. Then why would I want it at the expense of having a rougher landing? I'm generally very practical and methodical in how I tackle games but I just can't understand the reasoning for introducing variables that can increase randomness.
Quote: MathExtremistCan you actually throw it flat? That turns out to be really hard -- the dice almost always land with some corner or another hitting the table first as opposed to the entire face at once. By contrast, throwing the dice with a stable-looking backspin is very easy.
Actually, yes I can throw it flat and I have seen others do it. My throw looks like a slide but the casinos never say anything as long as I hit the wall.
Quote: DeMangoFantastic reply from "Heavy". So who is alphastorm?
Why does it matter who I am? I'm not someone trying to sell anything or debunk anything. I think it's a fair question. The only reason I am asking is because I've been winning at craps lately. About 8 out of 10 sessions. Perhaps if my luck runs out, I'll stop being curious.
If you can throw the dice so they don't tumble haphazardly when they land and just slide across the felt, you are giving up significant EV by posting about it here instead of playing craps. You should be able to make hundreds of dollars per hour on even the lowest-stakes tables. The player edge on sliding is immense. Double digits.Quote: alphastormActually, yes I can throw it flat and I have seen others do it. My throw looks like a slide but the casinos never say anything as long as I hit the wall.
Quote: MathExtremistIf you can throw the dice so they don't tumble haphazardly when they land and just slide across the felt, you are giving up significant EV by posting about it here instead of playing craps. You should be able to make hundreds of dollars per hour on even the lowest-stakes tables. The player edge on sliding is immense. Double digits.
I don't believe that's true because the dice still bounce all over the place after it hits the wall. There have been many times I've gotten away with only one dice hitting the wall. Perhaps that could produce EV but I doubt the casinos will let that happen often. I've been yelled at for only making one die hit the wall and a few of those times they called no throw.
If your throw looks like a slide, the dice shouldn't bounce all over the place. If you can get the dice to slide after they land, then bounce off the back wall gently without tumbling, you'll have an enormous edge. Even if you can only do that 10% of the time, you'll still have an enormous edge if you know how to bet. Sadly, most people who practice dice manipulation seem to forget to do the math on how to optimize the winnings for their throw. Where to bet has everything to do with the altered odds, but all the dice-setting books seem to assume that simply betting on the passline is the best play. That's almost never going to be true. But most folks don't notice because they can't control the dice anyway so perhaps it's a moot point.Quote: alphastormI don't believe that's true because the dice still bounce all over the place after it hits the wall.
Would love to have a Where Are They Now episode on DI/DC. One with a polygraph machine involved.
Quote: AxelWolfIs it just me or is DI/DC falling out of favor? Perhaps reality is setting in (mostly to their wallets)
Reality has set in to those starry eyed neophytes. If it was that easy, every one would be doing it.
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Lets not forget the one guy that had the best set-up for dice control, Aaron Hightower who went the extra mile to try to prove that dice control either work or it didn't. I have to give him a high-five for all of the work he put into it.
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Quote: superrickBefore we had slow motion cheap cameras the DI schools could suck anybody in that thought they could win at craps by shooting the dice. These videos show what the dice do when they hit the tables and were all produced by the so-called DI's showing off their shoots.
So you want to be a DI and you wonder what a DI shot should look like, I will save you the trouble of doing a search for any slow motion videos. Now some of these are just down right laughable and others were only produced to sell their schools. You should have no problem picking out the commercially done ones!
On the commercially done ones, you will notice that you really can't see what is happening with the dice. It's their way of showing their future customers really nothing at all.
Is there anybody you know in these videos?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FYrndlrpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0rAh1ug2Mk&list=UUUJo96xngJwaqh8rIk2whng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzXc2PXS114&index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE
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Lets not forget the one guy that had the best set-up for dice control, Aaron Hightower who went the extra mile to try to prove that dice control either work or it didn't. I have to give him a high-five for all of the work he put into it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2QS26ppbc8
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ROTFLMAO
For the record, I'd like to say DI, DC does not exist and if there is someone who thinks so, then they are a fool.
DICE SETTERS RULE at the craps table, ether you simply put the fours up and toss them together or choose your favorite dice set and toss them to the wall. you will find your shooting style and make everyone money.
AHIGH is a dice setter, NOT A DC or DI
Notice in the video AHIGH shoots from the same spot I shoot from, Spot 4-5 on the hook.
BEFORE YOU THINK IT, NO I AM NOT AHIGH.
Enjoy the video.
AHIGH's video here
