9-79 average roll sequence
May 7th, 2016 at 6:43:26 PM
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First, I'm averaging a 9-79 roll sequence now using my technique. But, before I share my technique, here are my thoughts on dice setting:
The probability of someone moving or motioning their arm in an exact pattern that is exact or similar is difficult at best. If you were to compare a motion to say, a golfer, the golfer won't set his tee in the same spot and has a much broader field to work with. Given the fact that any numerous muscle events, tiredness, etc. can set in, it is virtually impossible to consistently pattern arm motion.
The release point of the dice involves elevation, speed and accuracy, as well as control of many different muscles. These same muscles can and do become tired throughout the day.
How about chips? Random obstacles that can affect the pattern of dice throwing.
My belief is that dice setting doesn't work, won't work, and is as random as rain drops rolling down a windshield.
So, why am I here discussing a technique?
Because I believe in the order of the universe and actual randomness attuned to time and spatial concepts. I believe upsetting that randomness produces a good result. What do I do to achieve a long roll?
1. I relax. I'm happy. I'm carefree and light. I'm relaxed.
2. I roll the dice gently in front of me. I make sure the top 2 numbers and the 2 sides facing me don't add up to 7. I continue rolling in front of me until I achieve that result.
3. I toss the dice away from chips in view and tend to keep the dice on axis.
4. I put only a very slight back spin on the dice when I roll.
5. I think about the number I want to roll. The 7 is non-existent in my world.
You would think this wouldn't work but it does. Maybe it's related to Ki/Chi or karmic relationships, mystical patterns in the universe, or hell even the force - I don't know. What I do know is it's working a lot. I'm now on 7+ 30-min rolls over the last 4 days using this technique. Try it out or don't.
I thought I would share it anyways.
Good luck!!
The probability of someone moving or motioning their arm in an exact pattern that is exact or similar is difficult at best. If you were to compare a motion to say, a golfer, the golfer won't set his tee in the same spot and has a much broader field to work with. Given the fact that any numerous muscle events, tiredness, etc. can set in, it is virtually impossible to consistently pattern arm motion.
The release point of the dice involves elevation, speed and accuracy, as well as control of many different muscles. These same muscles can and do become tired throughout the day.
How about chips? Random obstacles that can affect the pattern of dice throwing.
My belief is that dice setting doesn't work, won't work, and is as random as rain drops rolling down a windshield.
So, why am I here discussing a technique?
Because I believe in the order of the universe and actual randomness attuned to time and spatial concepts. I believe upsetting that randomness produces a good result. What do I do to achieve a long roll?
1. I relax. I'm happy. I'm carefree and light. I'm relaxed.
2. I roll the dice gently in front of me. I make sure the top 2 numbers and the 2 sides facing me don't add up to 7. I continue rolling in front of me until I achieve that result.
3. I toss the dice away from chips in view and tend to keep the dice on axis.
4. I put only a very slight back spin on the dice when I roll.
5. I think about the number I want to roll. The 7 is non-existent in my world.
You would think this wouldn't work but it does. Maybe it's related to Ki/Chi or karmic relationships, mystical patterns in the universe, or hell even the force - I don't know. What I do know is it's working a lot. I'm now on 7+ 30-min rolls over the last 4 days using this technique. Try it out or don't.
I thought I would share it anyways.
Good luck!!
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson
May 7th, 2016 at 7:00:33 PM
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Will this work if I wear plaid socks ?
May 7th, 2016 at 7:24:07 PM
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Only if you wear them on your hands.Quote: ernestmiddleWill this work if I wear plaid socks ?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
May 7th, 2016 at 7:26:43 PM
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Joel, I hope you're not easily offended.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
May 10th, 2016 at 7:06:06 AM
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Quote: WizardJoel, I hope you're not easily offended.
Hehe, no, I don't get easily offended. The only thing we control is our own emotions and even that can sometimes be an illusion. I'm an easy going guy. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and their own responses.
It's all good. :)
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson
May 10th, 2016 at 7:08:30 AM
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Quote: ernestmiddleWill this work if I wear plaid socks ?
No,.. I.. do not think so. But, if you wear plaid socks and run through a hill side forest, you may in fact scare away the ground chiggers.
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson
May 10th, 2016 at 8:33:17 AM
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Quote: JoelDezeI believe in the order of the universe and actual randomness attuned to time and spatial concepts. I believe upsetting that randomness produces a good result.
I've no real idea what you are saying here, please clarify.
"What, me worry?"
May 10th, 2016 at 8:46:22 AM
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Quote: MrVI've no real idea what you are saying here, please clarify.
The only way for me to even have the ability to reply to your post is the following:
You and I would have had to live within the last 24 hours of this day, in the year 2016.
You and I would have had to visit this website out of more than 1 billion websites according to the ILS.
You and I would have had to visit this topic thread and post.
This is the best I can explain what randomness is within time/spatial conceptualization.
As far as the dice, what if I was supposed to pick them up and throw them towards the left hand corner of the table. But, instead, I rolled them 3 times. I then grabbed one dice and flipped it over. I then noticed the dice were showing a 7 total. So, I flip it again until it doesn't. And, then I throw the dice. And, no 7 appears.
Now, was that just another random dice roll? Or, was that a randomly invented random dice roll? Or, was it a randomly generated, visually perceived, randomly set dice roll?
If within the next 3 seconds of you reading this, the next dice roll were supposed to be 9 and you go to throw them and hesitate for 5 seconds, what "could" they be then?
I'm thinking beyond physical structure and into the realm of non-paradigm thought.
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson
May 10th, 2016 at 8:51:39 AM
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Do you play in Wisconsin?
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
May 10th, 2016 at 8:56:01 AM
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Quote: DeMangoDo you play in Wisconsin?
Atlantic City, Foxwoods, Mohegan Sun, Twin River (out of Mass).
Waiting for the new casino to open next summer in Taunton, Mass. It is supposed to be the biggest full-service Mass casino anyway.
I also go to Vegas throughout Football season, primarily Cantor Gaming out of the Venetian. But, I have to hit 7 of the individual books due to limits being set now. Thank goodness Bill 443 was passed though. It will make my life easier down the road.
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson
May 10th, 2016 at 9:01:35 AM
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Is it just me that found this hilariously ironic?Quote: JoelDeze...The only thing we control is our own emotions and even that can sometimes be an illusion...
...his subconscious admitting you can't control the dice.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
May 10th, 2016 at 9:19:12 AM
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Of course everything a shooter does affects / influences the outcome of a dice roll.
The relevant question is this: can a shooter affect the outcome in a controlled manner, such that he can take advantage of it, i.e can he overtly and knowingly control or influence the outcome of a roll such that it favors his chosen method of play and thereby provides a quantifiable advantage?
To say that waiting five seconds affects the outcome, while arguably true, does nothing to further the concept of craps AP.
The relevant question is this: can a shooter affect the outcome in a controlled manner, such that he can take advantage of it, i.e can he overtly and knowingly control or influence the outcome of a roll such that it favors his chosen method of play and thereby provides a quantifiable advantage?
To say that waiting five seconds affects the outcome, while arguably true, does nothing to further the concept of craps AP.
"What, me worry?"
May 10th, 2016 at 9:19:24 AM
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Quote: RomesIs it just me that found this hilariously ironic?
...his subconscious admitting you can't control the dice.
I already mentioned (in the very first post) that I don't believe in dice control. But, I do believe in chaos. In fact, I subscribe to it every day.
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson
May 10th, 2016 at 9:25:00 AM
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Sorry Joel.
You aren't surfing chaos.
Luck happens.
Your method of superstitiously fixing the dice and throwing in a particular way means nothing.
see: "confirmation bias."
Good luck, and have fun.
You aren't surfing chaos.
Luck happens.
Your method of superstitiously fixing the dice and throwing in a particular way means nothing.
see: "confirmation bias."
Good luck, and have fun.
"What, me worry?"
May 10th, 2016 at 9:27:19 AM
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Quote: MrVOf course everything a shooter does affects / influences the outcome of a dice roll.
The relevant question is this: can a shooter affect the outcome in a controlled manner, such that he can take advantage of it, i.e can he overtly and knowingly control or influence the outcome of a roll such that it favors his chosen method of play and thereby provides a quantifiable advantage?
To say that waiting five seconds affects the outcome, while arguably true, does nothing to further the concept of craps AP.
I can't readily say whether or not there are true advantage players in craps. Maybe in a few years (after playing for awhile) I can actually provide a few personal theories on this particular subject.
Personally, I believe the answer to your relevant question is yes but I would also go on record as saying that the method by which the player takes advantage of the roll may just be unique to that person.
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson
May 10th, 2016 at 10:07:44 AM
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Is it "advantage," or merely "luck?"
That is the question.
That is the question.
"What, me worry?"
May 10th, 2016 at 10:18:45 AM
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What question? If it works it doesn't matter whether it's Advantage or Luck.Quote: MrVIs it "advantage," or merely "luck?"
That is the question.
Of course if it was advantage then he could sell it to you.
If it's just luck he has to settle for a smaller private island ;-)
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
May 10th, 2016 at 12:51:44 PM
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Another dice-setting thread.
Set-em how you like. When they bounce, the roll gets randomized. Of course if you had all of the parameters you could accurately determine the final roll. Of course that's not possible because the velocity out of your hand, the release points, spin, etc randomize everything.
Consider the following thought experiment. Take the best MLB pitcher, stick him on the mound, and have him place a one inch target a few inches behind home plate. Now, ask him to throw the ball to hit the target but it must hit the ground first and the velocity has to be the same (within 1 mph) every time. How many times can a pitcher replicate that throw. Add to that that a mark on the ball has to hit the target as well. And add an additional ball that you have to throw out of the same hand.
You can use football, basketball, hockey, whatever, you get it. Oh, you say, but the target is only 6 feet away! Ok. So take that piece of ground, backstop, etc, and replace the flat ground with rubber pyramids and see what happens.
That's what dice setting is like. The release has to be the same, the landing point must be the same, where it hits the back wall must be the same, the spin has to be the same -- everything has to be repeatable. There is room for error, but very very little.
Oh, you say, I just want to avoid a 4-3 or 5-2 or 6-1 combination, that's all. Well how do you do that if one of the dice gets "randomized" in your roll?
I've been extremely lucky throwing dice - a six point fire got my wife and I to Maui 5 years back (and yes, I was setting), and at that point, I stopped playing craps regularly as I had "beaten the game" and knew that the odds of that happening again, dice-setting or not, was going to be incredibly unlikely. The most that I have played craps since then is perhaps for 30 minutes here and there -- I no longer have the tolerance for the game like I used to.
People will disagree with me, but as I said on another thread, I am waiting for the video backup and actual evidence via math that dice-setting works. A few years back, I and a couple of others were able to prove that an online casino was bilking the player in craps. I'm waiting to see the DI evidence, but everything I have heard is anecdotal.
Best of luck, and I mean that, luck, or positive variance.
Set-em how you like. When they bounce, the roll gets randomized. Of course if you had all of the parameters you could accurately determine the final roll. Of course that's not possible because the velocity out of your hand, the release points, spin, etc randomize everything.
Consider the following thought experiment. Take the best MLB pitcher, stick him on the mound, and have him place a one inch target a few inches behind home plate. Now, ask him to throw the ball to hit the target but it must hit the ground first and the velocity has to be the same (within 1 mph) every time. How many times can a pitcher replicate that throw. Add to that that a mark on the ball has to hit the target as well. And add an additional ball that you have to throw out of the same hand.
You can use football, basketball, hockey, whatever, you get it. Oh, you say, but the target is only 6 feet away! Ok. So take that piece of ground, backstop, etc, and replace the flat ground with rubber pyramids and see what happens.
That's what dice setting is like. The release has to be the same, the landing point must be the same, where it hits the back wall must be the same, the spin has to be the same -- everything has to be repeatable. There is room for error, but very very little.
Oh, you say, I just want to avoid a 4-3 or 5-2 or 6-1 combination, that's all. Well how do you do that if one of the dice gets "randomized" in your roll?
I've been extremely lucky throwing dice - a six point fire got my wife and I to Maui 5 years back (and yes, I was setting), and at that point, I stopped playing craps regularly as I had "beaten the game" and knew that the odds of that happening again, dice-setting or not, was going to be incredibly unlikely. The most that I have played craps since then is perhaps for 30 minutes here and there -- I no longer have the tolerance for the game like I used to.
People will disagree with me, but as I said on another thread, I am waiting for the video backup and actual evidence via math that dice-setting works. A few years back, I and a couple of others were able to prove that an online casino was bilking the player in craps. I'm waiting to see the DI evidence, but everything I have heard is anecdotal.
Best of luck, and I mean that, luck, or positive variance.
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May 10th, 2016 at 1:13:43 PM
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Hey OP you might enjoy these videos, when I read your post it reminded me of these
This person uses meditation and breathing technique to help his gambling
Not my cup of tea but you might enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0T5nMrb5JU
This person uses meditation and breathing technique to help his gambling
Not my cup of tea but you might enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0T5nMrb5JU
So Wizard, still no basic strategy for strip poker huh?
May 10th, 2016 at 2:15:13 PM
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You need a recipe.
Can I suggest;
"In the cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt and toe of frog,
Wool of bat and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg and owlet's wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble."
It may not win, but most of the dealers will run away screaming, with the pit suits right behind them ;;-)
Can I suggest;
"In the cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt and toe of frog,
Wool of bat and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg and owlet's wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble."
It may not win, but most of the dealers will run away screaming, with the pit suits right behind them ;;-)
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
May 10th, 2016 at 3:37:56 PM
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Is it me, or am I the only one that doesn't understand this statement:
While 79 rolls would be a monster roll, an "average" of 9 is OK but nothing to write home about.
And 9-79 is quite a spread.
I mean, does that mean typical / average hands of between 9 and 79 rolls?Quote: JoelDezeI'm averaging a 9-79 roll sequence now using my technique.
While 79 rolls would be a monster roll, an "average" of 9 is OK but nothing to write home about.
And 9-79 is quite a spread.
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
May 10th, 2016 at 6:13:57 PM
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I thought 79 was a reference to someone, rather than some thing.
May 12th, 2016 at 12:23:18 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearIs it me, or am I the only one that doesn't understand this statement:I mean, does that mean typical / average hands of between 9 and 79 rolls?
While 79 rolls would be a monster roll, an "average" of 9 is OK but nothing to write home about.
And 9-79 is quite a spread.
My last 13 rolling sessions (reverse order):
42, 27, 31, 16, 11, 24, 57, 31, 31, 30, 15, 22, 38
I keep track of my rolls now. I know a lot of people are happy when I roll. Sometimes I hit a lot of set points and other times I just hit a lot of numbers and horns. I find that if I'm next to a smoker and he's dying internally toward my direction, I tend to roll worse.
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson
May 12th, 2016 at 12:33:01 PM
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I always roll better on Tuesdays, when the sun is half out, and after I drink a hot chocolate. I swear to god if it's regular cold chocolate milk I'll crap out immediately.
I once rolled 18 yo's in a row too...
I once rolled 18 yo's in a row too...
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
May 12th, 2016 at 12:42:07 PM
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Quote: RomesI always roll better on Tuesdays, when the sun is half out, and after I drink a hot chocolate. I swear to god if it's regular cold chocolate milk I'll crap out immediately.
I once rolled 18 yo's in a row too...
Looks like somebody who's name rhymes with Paxle, owes Alan an apology.
May 12th, 2016 at 12:50:43 PM
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Quote: JoelDezeI find that if I'm next to a smoker and he's dying internally toward my direction, I tend to roll worse.
You'll find you'll tend to roll better if the smoker next to you is dying EXternally toward your direction.
"What, me worry?"
May 12th, 2016 at 1:35:21 PM
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I know a lot of people are happy when I eat a sandwich, but that doesn't mean one thing has anything to do with the other...Quote: JoelDezeI know a lot of people are happy when I roll.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
May 12th, 2016 at 1:39:36 PM
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Quote: MrVYou'll find you'll tend to roll better if the smoker next to you is dying EXternally toward your direction.
Dying is dying. Even atheists know this.Quote: MathExtremistI know a lot of people are happy when I eat a sandwich, but that doesn't mean one thing has anything to do with the other...
Let the guy have his fun. (Another trait of AP's, to want also everyone else to be miserable in the darkness of windowless basements?)
P.S. Heaven forbid we have to tolerate a bit of real fun for the survival of this forum.
So much bullshit; so little time!
May 12th, 2016 at 1:51:52 PM
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Quote: ernestmiddleLooks like somebody who's name rhymes with Paxle, owes Alan an apology.
Wow! Good thing I went to Gambling Forum, where they quickly ID'd you!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
May 12th, 2016 at 1:54:24 PM
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And the event horizon is forming.Quote: DeMangoWow! Good thing I went to Gambling Forum, where they quickly ID'd you!
So much bullshit; so little time!
May 14th, 2016 at 9:40:49 AM
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Quote: MathExtremistI know a lot of people are happy when I eat a sandwich, but that doesn't mean one thing has anything to do with the other...
Well, that actually would depend on what type of sandwich you were eating. And, by a lot, I'm really only referring to the people that I know at the table who frequent the place as much as I do. Anyone else could care less about me. As long as I'm not rolling a 7 and out they are happy.
One thing I have noticed quite a bit though, is the more I tip the dealers or involve them in betting scenarios, the more lively and energetic the table becomes. And, when the table is lively and energetic, it tends to become warm or hot.
Your insights and wisdom through one-line responses are staggering to a drunk and blind pole dancer. Keep them coming. :)
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson
May 14th, 2016 at 1:23:24 PM
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well, Joel, I just can't accept that you would believe what you are coming up with and be able to write as well as you do. The two things don't go together.
we've been had so many times by people who realize that to come up with nonsense sets everybody off - and gets the OP a certain amount of attention. You are fitting the description. You have to be attention-starved to like it though.
So far you are keeping your cool. That actually is even more suspicious.
I think this is you
we've been had so many times by people who realize that to come up with nonsense sets everybody off - and gets the OP a certain amount of attention. You are fitting the description. You have to be attention-starved to like it though.
So far you are keeping your cool. That actually is even more suspicious.
I think this is you
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell! She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
May 14th, 2016 at 7:17:11 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitwell, Joel, I just can't accept that you would believe what you are coming up with and be able to write as well as you do. The two things don't go together.
we've been had so many times by people who realize that to come up with nonsense sets everybody off - and gets the OP a certain amount of attention. You are fitting the description. You have to be attention-starved to like it though.
So far you are keeping your cool. That actually is even more suspicious.
I think this is you
Only when I haven't shaved for a couple of weeks. I used to believe I was related to Robin Williams. At least that is what I used to tell my hair dresser when she had to shave the back of my neck.
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson
May 14th, 2016 at 7:41:10 PM
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Quote:I used to believe I was related to Robin Williams.
Suicidal ideation is not unheard of in gamblers.
Just bet through it.
"What, me worry?"
May 14th, 2016 at 7:46:19 PM
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Quote: MrVSuicidal ideation is not unheard of in gamblers.
Just bet through it.
Or, pick a number between 1 and 10 and don't tell me.
Now, double it.
Now add 36,005,476,510 to it.
Now halve it.
Now subtract he number you started with from it.
Now convert it to a US telephone number.
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson
