Ahigh
Ahigh
Joined: May 19, 2010
  • Threads: 86
  • Posts: 5111
September 10th, 2015 at 10:49:37 PM permalink
Quote: zoobrew

Do casino games have to follow/consider ADA, Americans with Disabilities Act, when they are created/approved? Have game makers been sued under the ADA?

I was thinking about this issue when I was watching a bunch of elderly people compete in a monopoly money booth promotion, 5 names drawn and a winner take all prize. I can't really remember any casino floor game that really requires physical skill to win. Even the slots that want you to rapidly touch the screen I think are just illusions and the outcome isn't dependent on how fast you touch the screen.



It's an absolutely GREAT way to destroy the fun of the game. And it takes forever.

Listen, I made a CONCERTED effort to beat the casino one year, and I succeeded. I did all the work and I came out as much in a year as I could in a day of how I bet now. It was a TON of work, it annoyed a LOT of dealers, it wasn't that fun, most people just SCOFFED at the IDEA of it, AND did I say IT WAS NOT FUN?!

Look: even if AP craps is real, it's bull$h1T to try it yourself and a good way to drive yourself and others close to you insane.

We literally made our games to satisfy the demands of people who want to turn hand-to-eye coordination into a living, and so far, I gotta tell you, there are 500 people who believe themselves to be a DI for every one person that sees that you can AP the games we are making now from hand-to-eye coordination.

Also, I don't get a lot of craps players asking questions about our game because I think that our game really makes it clear how skilled you are with hand-to-eye coordination, and some of these jokers who think that they can throw the dice are so far off in fantasy land it is LAUGHABLE.

You can say what you want about me and what I do with the dice, but I guarantee you that I can throw the dice with precision as good as the best: the problem is that it doesn't matter one iota.
MrV
MrV
Joined: Feb 13, 2010
  • Threads: 310
  • Posts: 6775
September 10th, 2015 at 11:37:45 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

You can say what you want about me and what I do with the dice, but I guarantee you that I can throw the dice with precision as good as the best: the problem is that it doesn't matter one iota.



Do you get many "dead cat bounces" when you shoot precisely, and if so, does it ever seem to matter?
"What, me worry?"
Ahigh
Ahigh
Joined: May 19, 2010
  • Threads: 86
  • Posts: 5111
September 11th, 2015 at 4:26:10 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Do you get many "dead cat bounces" when you shoot precisely, and if so, does it ever seem to matter?



My shots are all over you tube. I mean, in general, nobody truly has a grasp on these things. It's just guesswork IMO.

The only thing I could suggest would be try to minimize the energy remaining after the first bounce. Maybe that's what you mean by dead cat?

A good analysis might even look at enumerating all sorts of "types" of throws and trying to categorize the data based on these enumerations to look for patterns.

Once a "type" of landing can be established and recognized by a computer, you could have the computer train you to throw for that type of bounce.

There are lots of ways to dig further into investigating. If Phil Ivey wanted to hire me for a million dollars a year, it might be worth looking deeper. Even then I wouldn't be able to put more than ten hours a week into it in good faith, so it'd have to be a part time gig.

But I think I'm done on that one.

Moving on....


C:\> NANOTECH.EXE
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
  • Threads: 126
  • Posts: 16181
September 11th, 2015 at 4:51:43 AM permalink
Quote: Ahigh



We literally made our games to satisfy the demands of people who want to turn hand-to-eye coordination into a living, and so far, I gotta tell you, there are 500 people who believe themselves to be a DI for every one person that sees that you can AP the games we are making now from hand-to-eye coordination.

???

"We literally made our games to satisfy the demands of people who want to turn hand-to-eye coordination into a living"

Casinos really dislike this idea. I honestly believe once(if) skill games become popular, it's probably going to be the games that are designed so no one has +EV. Skill will probably be a small factor. This it probably what direction casinos will want to go in.

Possibly they might entertain the Idea of something with a linked bonus pool that can become player positive where people compete sporadically.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
MrV
MrV
Joined: Feb 13, 2010
  • Threads: 310
  • Posts: 6775
September 11th, 2015 at 7:32:29 AM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

The only thing I could suggest would be try to minimize the energy remaining after the first bounce. Maybe that's what you mean by dead cat?



Here is one man's explanation and analysis of the so-called DCB .

It seems to me that were one in fact able to influence the dice, this shot, properly executed, would have the greatest chance of providing an advantage.
"What, me worry?"
MathExtremist
MathExtremist
Joined: Aug 31, 2010
  • Threads: 88
  • Posts: 6526
September 11th, 2015 at 11:50:01 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Here is one man's explanation and analysis of the so-called DCB .

It seems to me that were one in fact able to influence the dice, this shot, properly executed, would have the greatest chance of providing an advantage.

For that one throw, perhaps, but the frequency is so low that it'd be unlikely to be the most effective technique. I've thrown a handful of (unintentional) dead-cat bounce shots in my lifetime where one of the dice sticks to the table and stop dead. Twice I've thrown shots where both did, once at the Golden Nugget and once at Caesars.

The real problem with attempting to hone an ability to intentionally throw the dice that way is it's not a valid roll off the back wall. If a shooter does develop the supernatural ability to make the dice not bounce when they land, the stick will simply call no-roll and send them back (or take them away). In other words, if you're looking to invest hundreds of hours developing a profitable skill, that ain't it. If you have the physical dexterity needed to control the dice with such precision, the only way to profit from it is to develop a shot that looks valid to the stickperson. It has to bounce and/or roll off the back wall in order for you to be able to profitably (that is, repeatedly) deploy it in a casino.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
Ahigh
Ahigh
Joined: May 19, 2010
  • Threads: 86
  • Posts: 5111
September 11th, 2015 at 12:02:09 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Here is one man's explanation and analysis of the so-called DCB .

It seems to me that were one in fact able to influence the dice, this shot, properly executed, would have the greatest chance of providing an advantage.



If he is a man, and not a fictitious creation of ANOTHER man, how would we know?

I prefer to give credibility to people, not internet renditions of such.

This "mad professor" does not have his own unique identity in the real world that I am aware of.

Frank Scoblete would be a better and more trusted resource as we at least know who he is.

I think MathExtremist is another that I would value input from.

But the "professor" --- *meh*
petroglyph
petroglyph
Joined: Jan 3, 2013
  • Threads: 18
  • Posts: 3162
September 11th, 2015 at 12:21:10 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

The only thing I could suggest would be try to minimize the energy remaining after the first bounce. Maybe that's what you mean by dead cat?

Hey, you are talking to "V" here, he could be talking about throwing a tabby and a siamese down the table? j/k
Ahigh
Ahigh
Joined: May 19, 2010
  • Threads: 86
  • Posts: 5111
September 16th, 2015 at 10:29:28 AM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

Hey, you are talking to "V" here, he could be talking about throwing a tabby and a siamese down the table? j/k



superrick
superrick
Joined: Jul 14, 2010
  • Threads: 28
  • Posts: 775
September 17th, 2015 at 6:06:11 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

It's an absolutely GREAT way to destroy the fun of the game. And it takes forever.

Listen, I made a CONCERTED effort to beat the casino one year, and I succeeded. I did all the work and I came out as much in a year as I could in a day of how I bet now. It was a TON of work, it annoyed a LOT of dealers, it wasn't that fun, most people just SCOFFED at the IDEA of it, AND did I say IT WAS NOT FUN?!

Look: even if AP craps is real, it's bull$h1T to try it yourself and a good way to drive yourself and others close to you insane.

We literally made our games to satisfy the demands of people who want to turn hand-to-eye coordination into a living, and so far, I gotta tell you, there are 500 people who believe themselves to be a DI for every one person that sees that you can AP the games we are making now from hand-to-eye coordination.

Also, I don't get a lot of craps players asking questions about our game because I think that our game really makes it clear how skilled you are with hand-to-eye coordination, and some of these jokers who think that they can throw the dice are so far off in fantasy land it is LAUGHABLE.

You can say what you want about me and what I do with the dice, but I guarantee you that I can throw the dice with precision as good as the best: the problem is that it doesn't matter one iota.


The only ones making money off of the DI thing is the guys that are selling their BS.
All of the slow-motion videos shows what really happen when the dice hit the tables!

That is where the discussion should end!

Is there anybody you know in these videos?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FYrndlrpc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0rAh1ug2Mk&list=UUUJo96xngJwaqh8rIk2whng

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqiptZZotMc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzXc2PXS114&index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k467uPlLn3A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzXc2PXS114&index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkU458iCDiY&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hheh7c6J77Y&index=34&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOOULZHKNo0&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6NaIs8y_hE&index=37&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jej4WNRGyR8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiZf3jbjie0&list=UUfDRf2L1rCEgYtGFlS_z9ag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS-R8XYUjhs&list=PL29EB7437F6533C12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68pu1F0D_9g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3_wQN7MELc

This guy found 172 videos on throwing the dice or dice control and put them all in one spot for your viewing pleasure and he surely saved me a lot of work! Just page down on the right side to see all of the videos he found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MrqyVrQWck&list=PL57YTXgE9UrKJJZsOGpdaFhWAEETRt-rU

Lets not forget the one guy that had the best set-up for dice control, Aaron Hightower who went the extra mile to try to prove that dice control either work or it didn't. I have to give him a high-five for all of the work he put into it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2QS26ppbc8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBJwLtAORa0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXSfu5QDDVA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM3qDV9Lz3Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdTzwChYv0U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni-uMB17x4I
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...! You do good brada ..! superrick Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/index.php ...

  • Jump to: