request for a video of dice influence
April 11th, 2015 at 10:03:43 PM
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Are your retrieving the dice with a giant chicken bone? : )
April 11th, 2015 at 10:33:10 PM
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for it to work you need the chicken bone, two dead snakes and the eye of a newt.
get second you pig
April 11th, 2015 at 10:42:53 PM
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Pet
Now that is a very long story. You know me, I can do an interesting thing now and then. The bone
as you called it is actually a sheep rib from the mountains of Colorado. We were elk hunting one year
in archery season and I found the old set of bones and took two. Went back to camp that night
and indicated we could shake them and drop them and which ever hunter they pointed to
would have the best luck in the morning.
We always did fairly well, but I don't recall much about the accuracy of the bones. I found them
in an old back pack two or three years ago and thought what to hell. I have a stick I just use
the bone.
That sheep bone would have come in handle last year in Laughlin, we could have jabbed that stick
lady that smelled so bad.
dicesetter
Now that is a very long story. You know me, I can do an interesting thing now and then. The bone
as you called it is actually a sheep rib from the mountains of Colorado. We were elk hunting one year
in archery season and I found the old set of bones and took two. Went back to camp that night
and indicated we could shake them and drop them and which ever hunter they pointed to
would have the best luck in the morning.
We always did fairly well, but I don't recall much about the accuracy of the bones. I found them
in an old back pack two or three years ago and thought what to hell. I have a stick I just use
the bone.
That sheep bone would have come in handle last year in Laughlin, we could have jabbed that stick
lady that smelled so bad.
dicesetter
April 11th, 2015 at 10:55:11 PM
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Would have melted the bone
April 11th, 2015 at 11:05:01 PM
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Quote: dicesitterFace
thanks
I am sorry that I did not get the larger of the two on you tube yet.. it is was very large since I was at the table alone.
You betcha. No worry on time. I know how long it takes to d/l to the YouTubes
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April 12th, 2015 at 1:45:41 AM
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Interesting throw.
Looks almost like you are sliding them, but obviously you aren't.
Appears you release them low, they fly fairly straight, as opposed to arcing as if shot from a howitzer, they strike the table a foot or so out and don't seem to have a lot of contact with the pyramids.
I'll give you this: you seem pretty consistent, and that can't hurt.
But the question is: does it help?
Looks almost like you are sliding them, but obviously you aren't.
Appears you release them low, they fly fairly straight, as opposed to arcing as if shot from a howitzer, they strike the table a foot or so out and don't seem to have a lot of contact with the pyramids.
I'll give you this: you seem pretty consistent, and that can't hurt.
But the question is: does it help?
"What, me worry?"
April 12th, 2015 at 5:02:26 AM
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Your throw appears to be much different than that taught by Frank Scoblete and others. It appears that some randomization takes place as they roll that 6-12 inches to the wall instead of hitting the pyramids.
You only need a small amount of ability to change the number of 7's at particular points in the game to have an advantage. You could also roll a larger number of one particular number and gain an advantage.
Are you able to gain an advantage?
You still need enough tosses to show influence that the mathletes can accept. Are you placing all of your rolls in a spreadsheet to do that?
You only need a small amount of ability to change the number of 7's at particular points in the game to have an advantage. You could also roll a larger number of one particular number and gain an advantage.
Are you able to gain an advantage?
You still need enough tosses to show influence that the mathletes can accept. Are you placing all of your rolls in a spreadsheet to do that?
April 12th, 2015 at 6:05:45 AM
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I am always willing to bet that you cannot influence the dice. Make a defined claim.... For example.... I can decrease my 7's to 1 out of 7 rolls instead of 1out of 6. I will bet you can't. You were on the board participating when Ahigh hosted the challenge, but didn't participate. I am still willing.
MAKE A DEFINED SPECIFIC CLAIM AS TO WHAT YOU CAN DO!
I'll bet real money you can't!!!!
MAKE A DEFINED SPECIFIC CLAIM AS TO WHAT YOU CAN DO!
I'll bet real money you can't!!!!
April 12th, 2015 at 8:22:18 AM
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Soopoo
This is not about me, it never has been, I don't claim to be much of anything, certainly not better than
anyone else.
My point is that people that work hard on something should be respected for their efforts.
If I ever get the damn longer video up it will show more of a consistent throw that anyone
can learn to do with help.
The only difference between me and Ahigh is that he refused help, and I took it from folks that
are far better at this game than I will ever be.
You can see with my throw that a player can do things to influence the toss. Does that make a person
a lifetime winner.... I don't think so, does it mean that while your throw is pretty consistent you
can win more than most...I do think so. It was Mrv or Axelwolf that said over time it is all variance,
and that is more than likely correct, however during the period of time when your willing to work as
hard as it takes, I feel you can bend variance enough to have some fun.
I think that should be fair enough for most folks
Dicesetter
I may add that preparing this stuff has been a great deal of fun
This is not about me, it never has been, I don't claim to be much of anything, certainly not better than
anyone else.
My point is that people that work hard on something should be respected for their efforts.
If I ever get the damn longer video up it will show more of a consistent throw that anyone
can learn to do with help.
The only difference between me and Ahigh is that he refused help, and I took it from folks that
are far better at this game than I will ever be.
You can see with my throw that a player can do things to influence the toss. Does that make a person
a lifetime winner.... I don't think so, does it mean that while your throw is pretty consistent you
can win more than most...I do think so. It was Mrv or Axelwolf that said over time it is all variance,
and that is more than likely correct, however during the period of time when your willing to work as
hard as it takes, I feel you can bend variance enough to have some fun.
I think that should be fair enough for most folks
Dicesetter
I may add that preparing this stuff has been a great deal of fun
April 12th, 2015 at 9:20:54 AM
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Dicesetter, thanks for your contributions. Interesting stuff.
"Rule No.1: Never lose money. Rule No.2: Never forget rule No.1." -Warren Buffett on risk/return
April 13th, 2015 at 12:37:06 PM
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Dicesitter: get me clearance to shoot in the casino where you play and I will record your throws in high definition then slow them down to show how your dice move frame by frame and post on YouTube.
YouTube has NO restrictions on my account which means I can post lengthy videos (I put half hour Infomercials on YouTube regularly) plus I have the equipment for lightning fast uploads.
My expert cameraman and editor (my son) and I will be very happy to drive up and do this.
YouTube has NO restrictions on my account which means I can post lengthy videos (I put half hour Infomercials on YouTube regularly) plus I have the equipment for lightning fast uploads.
My expert cameraman and editor (my son) and I will be very happy to drive up and do this.
April 13th, 2015 at 12:39:41 PM
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Dicesitter's longer second video...
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April 13th, 2015 at 1:09:58 PM
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Alan
Why would I do that
dicesetter
Why would I do that
dicesetter
April 13th, 2015 at 1:10:47 PM
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Face
thanks a lot for your help
dicesetter
thanks a lot for your help
dicesetter
April 13th, 2015 at 1:15:26 PM
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Quote: dicesitterFace
thanks a lot for your help
dicesetter
Not problem at all. Happy to do it
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April 13th, 2015 at 1:41:19 PM
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Alan
Sorry I was short with you here, I did not mean to be, and I regret that.
But in all honesty I am not interested in taking it further
than I have.
I said I think there is variance with difference sets, and I see that. Also it should be
clear with the videos that I have spent a great deal of time working on my shot, and I
have a good ways to go yet, but I am not talking about dice control.. not interested
Dice control suggests your dice go down the table together and act the same way all the way
through the shot...I cant don't that, I am not sure anyone can.
I am more interested in results, and if there is consistency between the set and result and the
axis the dice started on and finished on.
dicesetter
Sorry I was short with you here, I did not mean to be, and I regret that.
But in all honesty I am not interested in taking it further
than I have.
I said I think there is variance with difference sets, and I see that. Also it should be
clear with the videos that I have spent a great deal of time working on my shot, and I
have a good ways to go yet, but I am not talking about dice control.. not interested
Dice control suggests your dice go down the table together and act the same way all the way
through the shot...I cant don't that, I am not sure anyone can.
I am more interested in results, and if there is consistency between the set and result and the
axis the dice started on and finished on.
dicesetter
April 14th, 2015 at 12:51:08 AM
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I am also interested in "results" but you don't have to control or influence or even use different "sets" to get results.
But if you really think your sets are making a difference, let's see how you set the dice, grip them and throw them and watch the dice in slo mo -- even frame by frame if necessary -- to determine if your sets really do make a difference.
Sorry, but I categorize your videos and your tosses the same way I categorize Ahigh's -- they prove nothing to back up your claims.
By the way, in my review of Frank Scoblete's latest book (on my Forum) I specifically asked why I've never seen a video of the "toss" that Frank writes about and that GTC teaches? Heck, I know players who can do it. But why don't GTC and Frank have a video that shows it? That perplexes me.
But if you really think your sets are making a difference, let's see how you set the dice, grip them and throw them and watch the dice in slo mo -- even frame by frame if necessary -- to determine if your sets really do make a difference.
Sorry, but I categorize your videos and your tosses the same way I categorize Ahigh's -- they prove nothing to back up your claims.
By the way, in my review of Frank Scoblete's latest book (on my Forum) I specifically asked why I've never seen a video of the "toss" that Frank writes about and that GTC teaches? Heck, I know players who can do it. But why don't GTC and Frank have a video that shows it? That perplexes me.
April 14th, 2015 at 1:29:25 AM
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I don't get this argument about influence and control. Like is a free throw in basketball not a controlled shot? No one shoots free throws at 100% either.
April 14th, 2015 at 3:54:32 AM
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Quote: rudeboyoiI don't get this argument about influence and control. Like is a free throw in basketball not a controlled shot? No one shoots free throws at 100% either.
Nor do pitchers throw a strike every time, nor do tennis players serve an ace every time, nor do golfers make a hole in one every time... but I have a pretty good record on the Windmill hole.
So yes, you can have a "controlled shot" and you can have "influence" without being perfect. At issue is how much control is control, and how much influence really makes a difference.
There are too many who say there is just no such thing as control or influence and the game is totally random. And then there are those who believe (as I do) that you can have a certain amount of influence on the dice and that influence can make a difference.
But I would like to separate the "pretenders" from those who really have some level of measurable influence. It is the "pretenders" who give "dice influencing" a bad name.
These pretenders claim to be DIs or DCs -- and they aren't -- and their claims destroy any chance that a true DI would be believed.
April 14th, 2015 at 4:30:59 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonThese pretenders claim to be DIs or DCs -- and they aren't -- and their claims destroy any chance that a true DI would be believed.
And that is a very good thing!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
April 14th, 2015 at 4:51:12 AM
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Alan
Couple of things..... if you have not seen a video of Skoblete or Dom or Stickman throw your not really looking, they have
been placed on these vary pages some time ago.
Also I am not going to sit there and have you examine my sets or throw.... they don't belong to you, you have not spent a single
moment of time working on them.
Now if you want to discuss the throw fine, you take a video of 50 of your rolls and 50 of Ahighs rolls and 50 of Mrv rolls and we can
talk about the difference between them and you can throw some rolls and change sets and see if there is any difference, we can
compare results and see what happens.
As I have said I am not out to prove anything to you, I just showed what I am working on. When I do play its my money on the line
that is at risk.....Now when I ask you to buy my book or my video or my class.... see that is a different animal, then I have something
to prove...
I am just sharing some things i am working on....you can take it or leave it.
dicesetter
Couple of things..... if you have not seen a video of Skoblete or Dom or Stickman throw your not really looking, they have
been placed on these vary pages some time ago.
Also I am not going to sit there and have you examine my sets or throw.... they don't belong to you, you have not spent a single
moment of time working on them.
Now if you want to discuss the throw fine, you take a video of 50 of your rolls and 50 of Ahighs rolls and 50 of Mrv rolls and we can
talk about the difference between them and you can throw some rolls and change sets and see if there is any difference, we can
compare results and see what happens.
As I have said I am not out to prove anything to you, I just showed what I am working on. When I do play its my money on the line
that is at risk.....Now when I ask you to buy my book or my video or my class.... see that is a different animal, then I have something
to prove...
I am just sharing some things i am working on....you can take it or leave it.
dicesetter
April 14th, 2015 at 6:54:10 AM
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Excuse me, but I am not making any claims about being able to effect the outcome of the dice with my sets. You are.
And the only videos I have seen of Dom don't show what I would consider to be "dice control." Sure they were soft but they bounced off the wall in a random manner.
I've never seen a slow motion analysis of any GTC toss. If you have, please provide a link.
Some of you might think it is ironic that I -- a believer in DI -- am challenging someone who claims that they influence the dice. But as I said before, I want to see real proof of DI otherwise the claims will damage the argument that DI is possible.
Frankly, dicesitter or dicesetter (since you use two names) I would need to see more of your throw. What I have seen in your two videos is that the dice bounce wildly and this cannot be considered DI or DC. Whether or not your sets have an impact on the results depends on the set used and I would like to see the dice throw from how they are set in your hand till the time they come to rest.
You don't have to provide the opportunity to see it -- that's your decision. But your partial videos prove nothing. I don't want you to be the poster child for DI, just as I didn't want Ahigh to be.
If someone is going to make the case for the artistic throw, let them show the artistic throw.
And the only videos I have seen of Dom don't show what I would consider to be "dice control." Sure they were soft but they bounced off the wall in a random manner.
I've never seen a slow motion analysis of any GTC toss. If you have, please provide a link.
Some of you might think it is ironic that I -- a believer in DI -- am challenging someone who claims that they influence the dice. But as I said before, I want to see real proof of DI otherwise the claims will damage the argument that DI is possible.
Frankly, dicesitter or dicesetter (since you use two names) I would need to see more of your throw. What I have seen in your two videos is that the dice bounce wildly and this cannot be considered DI or DC. Whether or not your sets have an impact on the results depends on the set used and I would like to see the dice throw from how they are set in your hand till the time they come to rest.
You don't have to provide the opportunity to see it -- that's your decision. But your partial videos prove nothing. I don't want you to be the poster child for DI, just as I didn't want Ahigh to be.
If someone is going to make the case for the artistic throw, let them show the artistic throw.
April 14th, 2015 at 9:04:20 AM
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That is like asking for a video of fast drying paint.Quote: surrender88sHi, can someone post/share a video where someone throws dice in an uncut video, preferably rapidly?.
its simple you watch dice being thrown and you drink. eventually you drink enough to pronounce some of those throws "special".
When you sober up, you realize nothing special happened at all.
April 14th, 2015 at 9:16:36 AM
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If worked, then wouldn't have to slow down anything. Trickery then; or magically-sheer brute force like the vig.
Nonsense is a very hard thing to keep up. Just ask the Wizard and company.
April 14th, 2015 at 8:42:38 PM
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Alan
Fair enough, if you think my throws fly wildly all over the table , don't see any influence at all
in terms of the landing of the dice, the resting of the dice, limiting the affect of the back wall
on the dice... well we have nothing to talk about do we.
I noticed the attempt at an insult ( dicesitter or dicesetter) .
Sorry my work does not meet with your approval,,, how ever I am rather happy with it.
Dicesetter
Fair enough, if you think my throws fly wildly all over the table , don't see any influence at all
in terms of the landing of the dice, the resting of the dice, limiting the affect of the back wall
on the dice... well we have nothing to talk about do we.
I noticed the attempt at an insult ( dicesitter or dicesetter) .
Sorry my work does not meet with your approval,,, how ever I am rather happy with it.
Dicesetter
April 14th, 2015 at 10:47:56 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonNor do pitchers throw a strike every time, nor do tennis players serve an ace every time, nor do golfers make a hole in one every time... but I have a pretty good record on the Windmill hole.
So yes, you can have a "controlled shot" and you can have "influence" without being perfect. At issue is how much control is control, and how much influence really makes a difference.
There are too many who say there is just no such thing as control or influence and the game is totally random. And then there are those who believe (as I do) that you can have a certain amount of influence on the dice and that influence can make a difference.
But I would like to separate the "pretenders" from those who really have some level of measurable influence. It is the "pretenders" who give "dice influencing" a bad name.
These pretenders claim to be DIs or DCs -- and they aren't -- and their claims destroy any chance that a true DI would be believed.
I see control and influence as the same thing. Any attempt at distinction between the two will always be arbitrary in nature.
April 14th, 2015 at 11:44:41 PM
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I wonder how many people watched all 21 min of that.
get second you pig
April 15th, 2015 at 1:27:44 AM
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Quote: dicesitterAlan
Fair enough, if you think my throws fly wildly all over the table , don't see any influence at all
in terms of the landing of the dice, the resting of the dice, limiting the affect of the back wall
on the dice... well we have nothing to talk about do we.
I noticed the attempt at an insult ( dicesitter or dicesetter) .
Sorry my work does not meet with your approval,,, how ever I am rather happy with it.
Dicesetter
I don't see any attempt at an insult...your screen name and the signature you use are both things that you can be addressed by. Do you have a preference?
April 15th, 2015 at 8:31:56 AM
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Ronc
Certainly Alan used that phrase as attempt to diminish my points, he knows that
as do I...
Counting the data I gave Ahigh, this is about 5-6 times now I have placed roll
data on here. Seems to me instead of trying to give me a rectal exam concerning
by rolls and sets, it would be interesting to look at the data from a number of folks. Now
not to say one is better than another, but is there a difference. By comparison, my data
will ether look influenced by comparison or as random as everyone says they are.
People like Alan don't want to do that, they want to pit me against me, what will that prove.
Now like I said I gave you good data, I provided video of that data.. I indicated the first 40 rolls
were with a set that tends to reveal lower numbers because the 1-6 axis is either in the y or z
position.. 35 of 40 rolls under 7. I then changed axis position of the 1-6 and got 6 out of 10 rolls
over 7. I said my toss would show less randomization on the table ( dice finish close together)
and less of an affect of the back wall....
I did what I said I would do...
I expected insults from some on here... as Face said this is an uphill trip.
Dicesetter
Certainly Alan used that phrase as attempt to diminish my points, he knows that
as do I...
Counting the data I gave Ahigh, this is about 5-6 times now I have placed roll
data on here. Seems to me instead of trying to give me a rectal exam concerning
by rolls and sets, it would be interesting to look at the data from a number of folks. Now
not to say one is better than another, but is there a difference. By comparison, my data
will ether look influenced by comparison or as random as everyone says they are.
People like Alan don't want to do that, they want to pit me against me, what will that prove.
Now like I said I gave you good data, I provided video of that data.. I indicated the first 40 rolls
were with a set that tends to reveal lower numbers because the 1-6 axis is either in the y or z
position.. 35 of 40 rolls under 7. I then changed axis position of the 1-6 and got 6 out of 10 rolls
over 7. I said my toss would show less randomization on the table ( dice finish close together)
and less of an affect of the back wall....
I did what I said I would do...
I expected insults from some on here... as Face said this is an uphill trip.
Dicesetter
April 15th, 2015 at 10:20:25 AM
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I agree that the results are what matter, not what the dice look like in the air or when they are bouncing.
April 15th, 2015 at 11:41:10 AM
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The problem is that you mix different sets up and your sample sizes are likely way too small for the mathletes to calculate a whole lot from.
Someone give him a goal...
Is 10,000 throws from the same set acceptable as sample size?
Then we'd need a spreadsheet with the distribution.
Toss out some numbers, math folks, and see if it stands up to the test...
Someone give him a goal...
Is 10,000 throws from the same set acceptable as sample size?
Then we'd need a spreadsheet with the distribution.
Toss out some numbers, math folks, and see if it stands up to the test...
April 15th, 2015 at 1:01:46 PM
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Really results are what matter? I Know some guys who are ahead on str8 up on Keno, 6/5 Jacks or better and random Scratch card's. That's the problem. A guy can run blindfolded across the freeway and never get hit, im 100% sure that's not +EV And no skill is involved. However he may look good doing it.Quote: Dalex64I agree that the results are what matter, not what the dice look like in the air or when they are bouncing.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 15th, 2015 at 1:14:08 PM
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Quote: RonCThe problem is that you mix different sets up and your sample sizes are likely way too small for the mathletes to calculate a whole lot from.
Someone give him a goal...
Is 10,000 throws from the same set acceptable as sample size?
Then we'd need a spreadsheet with the distribution.
Toss out some numbers, math folks, and see if it stands up to the test...
The conditions of the experiment aren't good enough to ask for larger samples.
April 15th, 2015 at 1:32:01 PM
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just FYI, if you can roll the dice, write down your results, and prepare to roll again in 5 seconds, you're asking for him to roll for 14 hours.
"Rule No.1: Never lose money. Rule No.2: Never forget rule No.1." -Warren Buffett on risk/return
April 15th, 2015 at 2:44:19 PM
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Dicesetter/dicesitter I am not insulting you. You use two names: one as your screen name, one in your signature.
Unfortunately without seeing your set in your hand and how you throw the dice and how many times they rotate in the air before hitting the table I cannot say you are influencing anything.
And I disagree that the result is what matters, because as we know, even random shooters known as chicken feeders can have excellent results. So I ask --is a wild throw that bounces all over the table and comes to rest on the hard-8 a controlled shot?
Ahigh made the same argument, I believe. But I can't believe that dice thrown into the air and spin and turn and flip flop and then hit the wall and bounce around in no appearance of order can possibly be "controlled." Sure they're influenced -- because with influence they stayed on the table.
I believe in DI. I just want to see it.
I do know that some true DIs are on a disinformation campaign. They put out videos purported to show DI when really they are random throws hoping to convince the casinos that there are no true DIs.
I suspect there are some who dish out this disinformation on this forum to take the heat off the real DIs.
Unfortunately without seeing your set in your hand and how you throw the dice and how many times they rotate in the air before hitting the table I cannot say you are influencing anything.
And I disagree that the result is what matters, because as we know, even random shooters known as chicken feeders can have excellent results. So I ask --is a wild throw that bounces all over the table and comes to rest on the hard-8 a controlled shot?
Ahigh made the same argument, I believe. But I can't believe that dice thrown into the air and spin and turn and flip flop and then hit the wall and bounce around in no appearance of order can possibly be "controlled." Sure they're influenced -- because with influence they stayed on the table.
I believe in DI. I just want to see it.
I do know that some true DIs are on a disinformation campaign. They put out videos purported to show DI when really they are random throws hoping to convince the casinos that there are no true DIs.
I suspect there are some who dish out this disinformation on this forum to take the heat off the real DIs.
April 15th, 2015 at 2:53:35 PM
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LOL.Quote: AlanMendelson
I do know that some true DIs are on a disinformation campaign. They put out videos purported to show DI when really they are random throws hoping to convince the casinos that there are no true DIs.
I suspect there are some who dish out this disinformation on this forum to take the heat off the real DIs.
I'm willing to bet no true DIs are doing that.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 15th, 2015 at 3:06:00 PM
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Add 8 feet of space ( when next to the dealer), yeah, you can blanket roll to reduce kinetic thing, but it won't last long, they tell you toss cubes into the air. Nobody can do anything against laws of physics.
April 15th, 2015 at 3:21:32 PM
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Alan
First have had the same names for a long time, and frankly you have never brought
that up before.
Second I could care less how many times dice do anything as long as the results
are different from what normal percentages would dictate.
I have tried every way I know to explain what I think about influence, I have indicated it
can change from hand to hand from session to session, from shooter to shooter. This has
not worked, we always GET BACK TO THE SAME ENDING) THAT IS CONTROL....lets see
you do the same thing over and over, 10 , 000 rolls, we have to see the dice in the air.... why
... the only reason you want to see the throw and the dice is so you say ..hey bud there is
a difference between that throw and the last and that bounce and the last.....so your a fraud
I have offered to work with others to each do and record rolls... to change sets and see what
difference we may have.... is there any indication of anything.....
But that is not good enough for you.
I have gone further than most others to back up what I say....But I am not gong on to try
show dice control.... cant be done....
Some Di's that have attempted to lesson the discourse on this subject have had the best
intentions to cut down on the crap some people take... I understand that and they may not
even like what I have done here....
But unlike many people I feel much of this is all nonsense... it is goofy to think a person that
throws the dice has no influence... it is even worse to believe in control.... but between the
two extremes there is a place most of should be.... none that area should threaten a casino,
and none of it should cause a player to be insulted because he or she tries to see what is
possible.
dicesetter
First have had the same names for a long time, and frankly you have never brought
that up before.
Second I could care less how many times dice do anything as long as the results
are different from what normal percentages would dictate.
I have tried every way I know to explain what I think about influence, I have indicated it
can change from hand to hand from session to session, from shooter to shooter. This has
not worked, we always GET BACK TO THE SAME ENDING) THAT IS CONTROL....lets see
you do the same thing over and over, 10 , 000 rolls, we have to see the dice in the air.... why
... the only reason you want to see the throw and the dice is so you say ..hey bud there is
a difference between that throw and the last and that bounce and the last.....so your a fraud
I have offered to work with others to each do and record rolls... to change sets and see what
difference we may have.... is there any indication of anything.....
But that is not good enough for you.
I have gone further than most others to back up what I say....But I am not gong on to try
show dice control.... cant be done....
Some Di's that have attempted to lesson the discourse on this subject have had the best
intentions to cut down on the crap some people take... I understand that and they may not
even like what I have done here....
But unlike many people I feel much of this is all nonsense... it is goofy to think a person that
throws the dice has no influence... it is even worse to believe in control.... but between the
two extremes there is a place most of should be.... none that area should threaten a casino,
and none of it should cause a player to be insulted because he or she tries to see what is
possible.
dicesetter
April 15th, 2015 at 3:37:59 PM
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You do have influence until the dice hits the felt. The influence is not great enough to overcame the HA.Quote: dicesitterAlan
First have had the same names for a long time, and frankly you have never brought
that up before.
Second I could care less how many times dice do anything as long as the results
are different from what normal percentages would dictate.
I have tried every way I know to explain what I think about influence, I have indicated it
can change from hand to hand from session to session, from shooter to shooter. This has
not worked, we always GET BACK TO THE SAME ENDING) THAT IS CONTROL....lets see
you do the same thing over and over, 10 , 000 rolls, we have to see the dice in the air.... why
... the only reason you want to see the throw and the dice is so you say ..hey bud there is
a difference between that throw and the last and that bounce and the last.....so your a fraud
I have offered to work with others to each do and record rolls... to change sets and see what
difference we may have.... is there any indication of anything.....
But that is not good enough for you.
I have gone further than most others to back up what I say....But I am not gong on to try
show dice control.... cant be done....
Some Di's that have attempted to lesson the discourse on this subject have had the best
intentions to cut down on the crap some people take... I understand that and they may not
even like what I have done here....
But unlike many people I feel much of this is all nonsense... it is goofy to think a person that
throws the dice has no influence... it is even worse to believe in control.... but between the
two extremes there is a place most of should be.... none that area should threaten a casino,
and none of it should cause a player to be insulted because he or she tries to see what is
possible.
dicesetter
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 15th, 2015 at 3:44:15 PM
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Axelwolf
Prove that.....
dicesetter
Prove that.....
dicesetter
April 15th, 2015 at 4:34:32 PM
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Quote: Dalex64I agree that the results are what matter, not what the dice look like in the air or when they are bouncing.
The best bet would likely be to speed things up a notch. Look for the vertical (or horizontal) angular momentum to produce nodes or stable points in results at regular intervals of various theoretical table lengths and throws. Paths such as epicycloids, http://www.cut-the-knot.org/pythagoras/two_coins.shtml .
Start simple.
Nonsense is a very hard thing to keep up. Just ask the Wizard and company.
April 15th, 2015 at 6:05:21 PM
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Quote: dicesitterI could care less how many times dice do anything as long as the results
are different from what normal percentages would dictate.
dicesetter
If this is what you really believe then a chicken feeder whether they set the dice or not who gets lucky with dice bouncing all over the table is a "dice influencer" or a "dice controller"?
April 15th, 2015 at 6:22:19 PM
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The game would die if nobody would have a good roll. They do happen regardless of anything. Yeah, you can call it influencing the dice, people are capable of repeating the same movements and the results can amaze anyone. I've seen it millions of times, person makes the same moves and at the end he has a good roll. This phenomena is incorporated into a game. That what brings people to the game, over and over again. But look at the same "dice master" three month later and he will be another miserable looser like everybody else. Nobody can do anything, dice will fool everyone.
April 15th, 2015 at 6:44:05 PM
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Quote: surrender88sjust FYI, if you can roll the dice, write down your results, and prepare to roll again in 5 seconds, you're asking for him to roll for 14 hours.
Okay. He's the one who is telling us he can do something that people don't believe he can do.
Prove it.
14 hours over a year or so is not all that much...he does not have to do it all at once.
April 15th, 2015 at 7:18:54 PM
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Alan
This conversation with you is no longer fun.
This is the second or third time you have compared the throws on
my video to a person that throws them all over the table with no consistency at all, and all the shots bouncing
off the alligator board on every shot. Now putting aside whether or not influence can be shown, I have put
in a great of time to get my throw to where it is, and you respect none of that because it is not good enough for
you.
Our understanding of craps and what can be done with the dice and what the results can tell you are miles apart, I cant
reach you with reason..... so I wont try
dicesetter.
This conversation with you is no longer fun.
This is the second or third time you have compared the throws on
my video to a person that throws them all over the table with no consistency at all, and all the shots bouncing
off the alligator board on every shot. Now putting aside whether or not influence can be shown, I have put
in a great of time to get my throw to where it is, and you respect none of that because it is not good enough for
you.
Our understanding of craps and what can be done with the dice and what the results can tell you are miles apart, I cant
reach you with reason..... so I wont try
dicesetter.
April 15th, 2015 at 8:19:43 PM
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Do you believe in bigfoot? There's videos of him too. I cant prove that bigfoot doesn't exists, however i'm willing to bet he doesn't. Being from the Pacific North West I'm not a Bigfoot hater, I would love for it to be true, but I was always skeptical even as a kid (My Mother absolutely believes in BF)Quote: dicesitterAxelwolf
Prove that.....
dicesetter
You say your proof is in your results, well I'm willing to bet against your results. Mr. SOOPOO and many others are as well.
Question: when do you know you have made a good shot? Most skilled sports/games players know when they shoot, toss, throw, hit, swing or whatever before the outcome, if they have made a good attempt.
I would love to see you toss the dice and right before it lands you quickly turn around, then without seeing the results you declare good or bad shot. This should really boost your results. I would let you exclude anything you felt was a bad shot without knowing the results.
I assume the further one stands from the end of the table, the less influence one has. Why not get much closer and show some obvious influence, lest say half the distance from where you normally stand. Or from where you normally stand, but without having to hit the back wall.
You tell me what conditions do you need (within reason) where you could show something obvious?
FYI I do agree your shot isn't not as erratic as Ahighs and many others and it's much more consistent. That's why I would love to see a slow motion Video of it.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 15th, 2015 at 8:25:10 PM
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Axelwolf
Hey you made the statement that I cant beat the HA, I have to assume that is based on what you
already have seen for you to be so sure. So if you have seen enough data already to make that
statement.... prove it.
That requires nothing of me, I did not say I could beat the HA...
Your turn.
dicesetter
Hey you made the statement that I cant beat the HA, I have to assume that is based on what you
already have seen for you to be so sure. So if you have seen enough data already to make that
statement.... prove it.
That requires nothing of me, I did not say I could beat the HA...
Your turn.
dicesetter
April 15th, 2015 at 8:36:38 PM
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If you can't beat the house, there's nothing for me to talk about, i'm only interested in knowing if you or someone can gain a long term advantage(MAKE MONEY IN THE CASINO DUE TO SKILL) .Quote: dicesitterAxelwolf
Hey you made the statement that I cant beat the HA, I have to assume that is based on what you
already have seen for you to be so sure. So if you have seen enough data already to make that
statement.... prove it.
That requires nothing of me, I did not say I could beat the HA...
Your turn.
dicesetter
I would rather talk about speed count and martingale.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 15th, 2015 at 8:51:39 PM
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Axelwolf in other words you have nothing to say, your just running your month. You cut the
work of others down and offer nothing of your own.. that is what I figured.
dicesetter
work of others down and offer nothing of your own.. that is what I figured.
dicesetter
April 15th, 2015 at 9:35:18 PM
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I am not convinced either way on the profit potential of dice influence. But if you are convinced that it is not a legitimate advantage play, I think there's a lot of wisdom in just ignoring the people that you are convinced are wrong. Not sure why there's this need to force them to provide proof or recant- doesn't have to be an inquisition.
And, thanks again dicesetter for your input. I find it interesting, and will continue to do some dice throwing experiments of my own when I have time.
And, thanks again dicesetter for your input. I find it interesting, and will continue to do some dice throwing experiments of my own when I have time.
"Rule No.1: Never lose money. Rule No.2: Never forget rule No.1." -Warren Buffett on risk/return
