request for a video of dice influence

Hi, can someone post/share a video where someone throws dice in an uncut video, preferably rapidly?

I'm envisioning a person introducing the purpose of the video, perhaps having multiple sets of di all preset for him, and throwing the dice on a legitimate craps table, maybe 1 throw every 10 seconds and calling the results, maybe with an assistant retrieving and resetting the di for you. You don't have to explain how you're doing it, just show us.

Find work of SuperRick, his blog, or posts on other forum's. He has many videos to share.

Or check goodshooter.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxeKk73zpok

Thanks, found Aaron Hightower from goodshooter.com. ...not impressed :-P

I'm looking for a dice influencing Bigfoot with an unicorn horn as well.

Quote: surrender88s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxeKk73zpok

Thanks, found Aaron Hightower from goodshooter.com. ...not impressed :-P

Say what you want about the guy, but he is a very knowledgeable craps expert(whatever that is) He has put pit more effort into finding the truth about DI than anyone out there. I would have to think his set up is far better than anyone else. If anyone had a chance im hell of Dai

At this point I am going to invest ~$5 in some 19mm dice and practice throwing onto a Non-randomizing flat wall and see if I can avoid sevens. If nothing else, i will get a more impressive lob toss. I always shoot the dice low in fear of throwing one of the table.

Quote: AxelWolf

Say what you want about the guy, but he is a very knowledgeable craps expert(whatever that is) He has put pit more effort into finding the truth about DI than anyone out there. I would have to think his set up is far better than anyone else. If anyone had a chance im hell of Dai

His persona here was a bit bombastic and he rubbed some people the wrong way, but he was very nice when I had interactions with him about meeting to toss some dice in Vegas (it did not work out; maybe sometime). Sometimes it was hard to figure out where he stood on dice influence/control but I think it came down to him liking the idea but not being able to prove anything more than randomness. That, of course, was at odds with the "believers". My exact history may be off, but I enjoyed a lot of his stuff here.

On the whole dice influence/control thing--if you can't turn it into a betting advantage of any kind and prove it, there is not much to talk about. If you can roll more or less 7's you should be able to turn it into a betting advantage. You'd just play different sides depending on whether you rolled more or less 7's. The same could apply to making certain numbers come up more or less...

I enjoyed Aaron Hightower as well, and I think he was merely trying to learn to see if it was possible. Craps was obviously his game of choice, but I think his intentions in determining if DI was possible were to find out if it was even possible. I however, disagree that a DI has to be able to either prove he can roll more sevens or fewer sevens. I think a DI has to be able to do both. Depending on which side you play in craps, there are different points in the game where throwing a seven is advantageous, and disadvantageous. So you have to be able to interchange the two. Furthermore, I would tend to think you would have to be able to do this not only from one position at the table, but multiple positions at the table and at tables of different lengths. This is because you don't always get to mosey on up to an empty table where your favorite position is available. And if you are going to DI in multiple casinos, you are going to have to be able to do it a tables of different size as well

If someone can influence the dice from one position on the table and gain a betting advantage, there are enough tables in Vegas to provide the opportunity to win a lot of money. No one has proven they can do even that.

Ronc


I have a question, though I understand this is waste of time to ask
because there will always be another question and an excuse to
to disrespect those with a different point of view.

But since I have wasted as much time as I already have I will ask..

I have posted proof of different dice reaction to different sets with actual rolls that I have recorded
so if I actually taped the rolls showing that would that be the end of this circus
or only the beginning, would I hear Axel go off about that is not enough proof, that
is to short of video, where is the stack of money in the closet or zore go on a rampage
about fake data or its your table so it does count, or I wonder who is taking the
video.....

these are reasonable questions considering the disrespect I and any one else that
actually takes craps seriously get.

So Ronc you actually going to set a standard for reasonable proof or are you to play the
same games others play.....

your move


dicesetter

Quote: dicesitter

Ronc


I have a question, though I understand this is waste of time to ask
because there will always be another question and an excuse to
to disrespect those with a different point of view.

But since I have wasted as much time as I already have I will ask..

I have posted proof of different dice reaction to different sets with actual rolls that I have recorded
so if I actually taped the rolls showing that would that be the end of this circus
or only the beginning, would I hear Axel go off about that is not enough proof, that
is to short of video, where is the stack of money in the closet or zore go on a rampage
about fake data or its your table so it does count, or I wonder who is taking the
video.....

these are reasonable questions considering the disrespect I and any one else that
actually takes craps seriously get.

So Ronc you actually going to set a standard for reasonable proof or are you to play the
same games others play.....

your move


dicesetter

If you have a slow motion video that show the dice doing something non random or influencey like after they hit the felt from a legal shot, you should post that one.

Quote: RonC

If someone can influence the dice from one position on the table and gain a betting advantage, there are enough tables in Vegas to provide the opportunity to win a lot of money. No one has proven they can do even that.

The heck with "proven," as in the Scientific Method. Just an incontrovertible showing of even some results would be a start.

AXELWOLF

OH, I see now the result no longer counts, no matter how conclusive it is in terms of showing
a difference between results and sets..... now I have to show that each roll is identical from start
to finish..

I knew you guys are not serious....your scared your bubble will burst and you will look like the
disrespectful kids you are. Not an insult an observation

dicesetter

Quote: dicesitter

AXELWOLF

OH, I see now the result no longer counts, no matter how conclusive it is in terms of showing
a difference between results and sets..... now I have to show that each roll is identical from start
to finish..

I knew you guys are not serious....your scared your bubble will burst and you will look like the
disrespectful kids you are. Not an insult an observation

I think many here are totally serious. There just seems to be a divide, one which I imagine you may be blinded by (and understandably so) due to some of the interactions you've had with different people.

I happen to believe that the theory of DI is theoretically possible. I think the laws of physics support it. It's much like any other skill sport. Take bowling, for instance. If you impart a certain amount of force and direction into a bowling ball, it will strike pins causing both the ball and the pins to carom about, knocking them all down. If you can repeat that force and direction to a certain degree, you will repeat the result - knocking them all down.

The issue at hand is the "certain degree" required to take DI from "theoretically possible" to "plausible". Things which are used in comparison, like bowling a strike or making a free throw, allow for a lot of error, relatively speaking. The objects being tossed, especially when compared to dice, are incredibly massive. If you're off by a centimeter in BBall, a swish shot will instead barely graze the rim,which, due to its mass, will make no discernible difference whatsoever. If you're off by a centimeter in a dice shot, the angle at which a die strikes a pyramid is severely altered. Wouldn't you agree?

Most understand this, so immediately write off any comparison to these other sports. They understand that the degree of accuracy is so great that it's unlikely that even a robot could repeat said degree, so they (justifiably) remain skeptical. In order to change their mind and prove yourself, we must hop over to the math portion.

"A video" serves as little more than entertainment for most. Because there exists this thing called "luck", and most here understand how it works. Just as aceofspades has and is currently having his ups and downs, so too would a dice chucker experience the same. If you claim influence, you have to show proof. Well, you don't have to, but if you intend anyone to support your side, it's the only way. And this is typically where things falls apart. A couple tosses won't cut it. It's far too easy to explain away as variance. I'm not a mathlete and have no idea how many it would take to begin to point towards mathematical proof, but when I did data gathering for AHigh, I didn't start getting replies until around the 1,000 roll mark. It's a lot of damn work, work which few are willing to do, and which none have provided to give credence to their claims of control or influence.

AHigh is the only one I know that took the time and did the work to have it peer reviewed. And his work only served to support the claim that dice were completely random. All of the beliefs held by the anti crowd became all that more solidified, because a guy who claimed DI was possible and had the balls to do it showed them that they were right.

So, obviously and justifiably, the skeptics remain skeptical, as they should. To switch their opinion based on little more than "story time" would show a severe lack of integrity and judgement, and while I don't always enjoy the jabs, I do enjoy that people remain unwavering in their belief.

If you want to prove it, there are many here who would take you up. If you have video, people will pour over it. They'll math out your results and tell you to the 5th decimal place how far above or below you are in expectation. If you prefer a little more action as opposed to math, there are members here who will meet you and bet cash money on your results. Everything and anything you need to prove it is here for the taking, all one needs do it take it.

Other than Ahigh, not a single one of the DI crowd has. And that speaks volumes.

Quote: SanchoPanza

The heck with "proven," as in the Scientific Method. Just an incontrovertible showing of even some results would be a start.

Here ya go: settin dice

Quote: MrV

Here ya go: settin dice

Works for me. To repel me, that is.

Not for me. In the game of craps you have the back wall with all the pyramid cones or whatever you want to call them. I surmise he couldn't do that with having to hit that back wall

Dang, and here I thought I'd finally unmasked The Captain of Craps.

No, he's just another Dork of Dice.

Gotta keep searchin'

I don't agree with any thing said... period

After spending thousands of hours of practice I sure as hell am not going to change
my mind, nor will I bow and be treated like a dog.

I am the only one here that has put out a record of my rolls and explained what they have
shown, and I may add I did that for Ahigh.

In addition discussing the random results that Ahigh had is not unusual because his roll
was completely random... You cant just pick up the dice without any help or instruction
from those that have worked before you and honestly expect to be other than random..

Now what can be shown by video are the results of different sets and different
out comes... that is and has been my point. I consistent roll can produce different
results with different sets.

A video can show that results can vary with sets,, if that is not enough you can get some one else to
preform in your circus.


dicesetter

Quote: dicesitter

I don't agree with any thing said... period

Of course you don't; you're just like a proud parent whose love for his child blinds him to the tot's ugliness.

You can't be objective.

There are some on this board (not me) who have the ability to understand and evaluate data such as that which you claim to have compiled: what if anything do they say?

I suspect your results are simply too small of a sampling to be deemed probative / statistically significant.

All you need to do is go to youtube for any video of a craps game. You will see the dice being influenced to come out 1.41% against the Pass and Come bets...

Is there anybody you know in these videos?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzXc2PXS114&index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkU458iCDiY&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hheh7c6J77Y&index=34&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOOULZHKNo0&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6NaIs8y_hE&index=37&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jej4WNRGyR8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiZf3jbjie0&list=UUfDRf2L1rCEgYtGFlS_z9ag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS-R8XYUjhs&list=PL29EB7437F6533C12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68pu1F0D_9g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3_wQN7MELc

This guy found 172 videos on throwing the dice or dice control and put them all in one spot for your viewing pleasure and he surely saved me a lot of work! Just page down on the right side to see all of the videos he found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MrqyVrQWck&list=PL57YTXgE9UrKJJZsOGpdaFhWAEETRt-rU

Lets not forget the one guy that had the best set-up for dice control, Aaron Hightower who went the extra mile to try to prove that dice control either work or it didn't. I have to give him a high-five for all of the work he put into it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2QS26ppbc8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBJwLtAORa0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXSfu5QDDVA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM3qDV9Lz3Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdTzwChYv0U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni-uMB17x4I

well


my point is simple, I feel with work one can influence the dice, and even if you do that it is incredibly hard
to win consistently. I further feel dice setting is the best thing to ever happen to a casino because most people
that work on dice control will lose much more to a casino thinking they have an advantage than if they felt they had no chance.

We all admit you cant bet your way of the house advantage, and yet that's all people want to talk about are
different ways to lose.

Anyway it is a shame that a reasonable discussion of possibility is not embraced really by this or any other forum.

dicesetter

Quote: superrick

Is there anybody you know in these videos?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzXc2PXS114&index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkU458iCDiY&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hheh7c6J77Y&index=34&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOOULZHKNo0&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6NaIs8y_hE&index=37&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jej4WNRGyR8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiZf3jbjie0&list=UUfDRf2L1rCEgYtGFlS_z9ag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS-R8XYUjhs&list=PL29EB7437F6533C12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68pu1F0D_9g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3_wQN7MELc

This guy found 172 videos on throwing the dice or dice control and put them all in one spot for your viewing pleasure and he surely saved me a lot of work! Just page down on the right side to see all of the videos he found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MrqyVrQWck&list=PL57YTXgE9UrKJJZsOGpdaFhWAEETRt-rU

Lets not forget the one guy that had the best set-up for dice control, Aaron Hightower who went the extra mile to try to prove that dice control either work or it didn't. I have to give him a high-five for all of the work he put into it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2QS26ppbc8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBJwLtAORa0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXSfu5QDDVA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM3qDV9Lz3Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdTzwChYv0U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni-uMB17x4I

Save me some time.did any of the videos show any influence? I have watched many and none have anything that looks close to anything other that random. The Dice allways bounce around like they are in a blender.

One video please JUST ONE legitimate video that shows someone actually having any influence on the dice whatsoever.

One real person who has made a living solely on DI?

Anyone with any reasonable proof DI works.

Somthing, anything other than talk and BS.

Quote: dicesitter

Anyway it is a shame that a reasonable discussion of possibility is not embraced really by this or any other forum.

Is it a shame? Seems to me to be normal. It appears to be a reasonable stance to take.

I'm not an old salt. I have but 6 years of awareness of casino games, let alone study. But I'm aware Stanford Wong, and I'm pretty sure he's a well respected dude. It was before my time, but I think he did a study on DI. And if I remember correctly, while he didn't prove it, neither did he disprove it. I even think he may have stated it was possible. Of course, if I also remember correctly, he had later recanted and now holds the position that DI is not feasible.

Ahigh came here once, and I know you're aware of that. His presence drew in Heavy, and superrick, and other guys well known in the dice circle. And here, many, many members partook in thought experiments and analysis of real data. Say what you will about Ahigh, the dude was persistent. And some of these heavy hitters met at his house. And I think bets were made that went the distance. And after months and months of talking, analysis, betting, and thinking, all of the evidence pointed to rolls being completely random. Just as everyone thought.

You "feel" that one can influence the dice. That's great. But the members of WoV deal in logic and proof. It's as Axel said - do you have the video? Do you have the proof? If not, you're just talking hopes and dreams, and few here deal in that. It's preaching religion to a group of atheists; it's gonna fall on deaf ears.

If you want general dice talk, there are many members here who would enjoy it. If you have proof or real data you want analyzed, there are many members here who would like that. But if you want to talk about DI specifically and be taken seriously based on no more than than your feelings or stories, you're gonna get the peanut gallery. Just as Bac79 did with his monkey, just as Singer did with his German radio equipment, just as Gr8 did with his system, and on and on and on.

I dig you, dicesitter. I remember what you went through with Ahigh and you always seemed to keep your cool and remain respectful. I'm certainly not trying to cut you down or chase you away, but I don't think that discussion without proof is something you're going to find here. It's been done, and most all of those who did it with Ahigh are the same guys you're addressing now. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there some silent fresh blood lurking that will take you up in discussion. But the response you're getting now is pretty much what I expected. And I don't suspect that will change.

While I am open to proof of dice influence, here is the main reason for my skepticism. I am a huge fan of sports. The athletic activity that I most equate to being able to influence the outcome of the dice in free throw shooting. You are shooting from a fixed distance with nobody in your way and shooting at a fixed object. Much like at the craps table, free throw shooters commonly have their little pre-shot rituals as well. However, if you follow the sport of basketball, while certainly not certified 100% rule, it is generally accepted that bigger people tend to have a more difficult time hitting free throws and one of the more accepted reasons for that is that their hands are too big proportionately to the size of the ball to control it that distance. I feel the same way about dice. I think our hands are too big in order to control the dice over the distance of a 5-6 foot or longer throw, and even if you could consistently control it over that distance by consistently keeping them on their axis, controlling their rotations, you would have to be able to have them hit the pyramids on the back wall at the same angle, which I see as impossible

fascinated


So your saying if I had proof which I have provided there would be a discussion. Seems to me that's what a
discussion is for, possibilities... if it were 100% control, there would be no need for a discussion.

You cant beat the table with betting... that is 100% accurate.. but yet there continue to be discussions..

I have indicated a number of times recorded rolls which show a result, maybe not what every one wanted
but certainly enough to have a discussion.

Sorry I am not buying it, five years from now you will still be talking about the same things on here...because
it is easy to talk, hard to practice and record a thousand hours.

I give Ahigh tons of credit for his hard work, but he was not looking for the same thing. Ahigh was out to prove
dice control, not influence, he wanted to end the discussion, I just want to have one.

Influence and dice control are not the same....

That should be worth talking about.... but on here it is not!!!.. that is not logical

dicesetter

Quote: dicesitter

I have posted proof of different dice reaction to different sets with actual rolls that I have recorded

Did any of the board members familiar with statistical analysis and probability analyze your data and post their findings and conclusions about it?

no they insult or like Ahigh, call me a liar.

Now make it clear I don't get upset, because the only person I have to prove
anything to is my wife (laughing) because it is our money I gamble with.

I am just amazed at the level of disrespect you get, about what a simple idea
that if some one throws something, he or she influences that object.

dicesetter

It would arguably be helpful to the discussion if someone did in fact review and analyze the data.

Have you analyzed it, or sent it to someone to review?

Quote: dicesitter

You cant beat the table with betting... that is 100% accurate.. but yet there continue to be discussions..

No, you can't, and yes, there are. But said discussions don't often contain claims against the math. When they do stray into the land of witchcraft, such as the concept of "verifying a shooter" (or saying "seven", or buying in during a roll, or sending dice off the table), that claim gets the same treatment as DI, i.e. "prove it".

Quote: dicesitter

That should be worth talking about.... but on here it is not!!!.. that is not logical

dicesetter

Just to be perfectly clear, I'm am not speaking as management saying that such discussions are unwelcome. I am simply making an observation based on what have I have seen here over the course of several years. If you want to attempt to talk about it, you are more than welcome.

But you must realize, I find little difference in your distinction between "control" and "influence", and I suspect many feel the same. They're both implying a level of control based on the skill of the shooter; the only difference is a matter of degree. I am quite sure that everyone here knows that when you speak, you are not implying you can bang out numbers on command.

People have seen the evidence, participated in the discussions, and have drawn their conclusions. I'm pretty sure I saw a member going down this road just recently, like within the last few days. He was simply dropping the dice from a height of a few inches, over and over, to see if he could somewhat control the resolution. You know, baby steps. And even this rudimentary and easily controllable setup up found him receiving random results.

The evidence is just not there for the average dice chucker to take it seriously and spend time on it. I happen to believe it is possible, but the level of precision required is so extreme that it disqualifies most if not all human beings, a belief that was supported by that member's dice dropping experiment. Your claims don't alter my belief, and I think that holds true for most here. But who knows? New people come here all the time. And between you, Ahigh, Mendelson, Scoblete, I see there are people out there who have seen and done things that have made them believe. So keep posting. I suppose eventually you'll draw the attention of someone and you can have the discussion you seek.

A robotic arm with neural net could probably answer the question definitively. (if anyone has access, hah).

It can test measure, adjust, endlessly.

At least as far as influencing, but possibly not whether humans can duplicate.

Face



better be careful almost sounds like a discussion.

But what you say here is not accurate and comparing what I am saying to the dice dropping is ......not logical.

You said...
The evidence is just not there for the average dice chucker to take it seriously and spend time on it. I happen to believe it is possible, but the level of precision required is so extreme that it disqualifies most if not all human beings, a belief that was supported by that member's dice dropping experiment.

I just moved over to my table and threw 2 sets of 10 rolls, one set and another with a set which has a completely different starting axis.

first set... 6-2,2/4, 1/5,2/4,3/1,1/5,5/1,4/6,5/2,1/4

second set 3/6,4/6,5/3,5/4,5/5, 6/6, 5/6,5/5.1/6,1/5,

set 1 9 0f ten rolls 8 or under
set 2 8 of ten rolls 8 or over.

Same table, same dice, same player.. different set,

I understand what I am about to hear there, and I don't care, that is the last bit if data
you will get out of me because it is waste of my time and energy, I will say this, there is a
person on this board today that knows what I just posted is 100% accurate, he has his own
reason not to confirm that and I understand.

But there it is

dicesetter

If you can do that consistently, then you can shut everyone up here in a big hurry.

Do what you just did, and video record it. Do it in one take, no cuts. 10 rolls one set, 10 rolls the other.

I told the guy that you need an engine, but he kept insisting that he can make his bicycle run as fast as motorcycle. 40 years went to work and still same results.

That will prove nothing, as the sampling is too small.

Got to have a lot of samples to rule out luck/variance.

Quote: dicesitter

AXELWOLF

OH, I see now the result no longer counts, no matter how conclusive it is in terms of showing
a difference between results and sets..... now I have to show that each roll is identical from start
to finish..

I knew you guys are not serious....your scared your bubble will burst and you will look like the
disrespectful kids you are. Not an insult an observation

dicesetter

I don't know what results you are referring to. Are you talking about your personal cash results?

Quote: Dalex64

If you can do that consistently, then you can shut everyone up here in a big hurry. Do what you just did, and video record it. Do it in one take, no cuts. 10 rolls one set, 10 rolls the other.

Let's see whether it can be achieved even once in 10 rolls -- or maybe even once in 20 or 30 rolls.

It would be prudent to keep the dice within view of the camera at all times, and show that your hands are empty before picking up and setting the dice.

Quote: Dalex64

It would be prudent to keep the dice within view of the camera at all times, and show that your hands are empty before picking up and setting the dice.

If you wanted to get fancy, put a clock with a second hand in video and play music in the background. Tough to sync all of that, not that it couldn't be done, just likely more trouble than it would be worth to splice together a series of broken shots at different times.

Quote: dicesitter

I understand what I am about to hear there, and I don't care, that is the last bit if data
you will get out of me because it is waste of my time and energy

Not much room for 'discussion' there.

Just wondering, dicesitter, why you post your DI stuff here at all, given you "don't care" because posting here is a "waste of my time and energy?"

One would think you'd prefer to frequent a DI board and munch along in a quasi-narcotic haze with the rest of the lotus eaters.

Quote: MrV

Just wondering, dicesitter, why you post your DI stuff here at all, given you "don't care" because posting here is a "waste of my time and energy?"

One would think you'd prefer to frequent a DI board and munch along in a quasi-narcotic haze with the rest of the lotus eaters.

Been wondering that for years. Those cheeseheads are pretty hard headed. Must like to tilt at windmills.

I guess he isn't willing to show us a video of him consistently hitting high numbers and low numbers.

Dalex64


You guys think this is a joke, this took very hard work to
get to this point.

Very poor reflection on this "craps" forum

dicesetter

Quote: dicesitter

Dalex64


You guys think this is a joke, this took very hard work to
get to this point.

Very poor reflection on this "craps" forum

dicesetter

I don't thiink it is a joke, I am a skeptic. I am willing to believe in a person influencing the dice provided he can
A) roll more 7's on percentage when the game calls for it. i.e. on a come out roll
B) roll fewer 7's on percentage when the game calls for it. i.e. once a point is established and
C) Be able to do both of these from different positions on a table and at tables with different lengths.

Gabes


a complete joke.....

Again your looking for a magic act, not the indication of dice influence

look at what you requested.....I almost fell off my chair, there is no question you have no, none, not even a
little indication of what I am talking about. Your back to dice control...period. you expect perfection...

ok I now throw more sevens,,, or I will now throw less sevens... ok now I will go over here and throw standing
on my head....have you ever played craps??????????????????????

What your talking about is dice control, that is not possible..... a decent shooter produces different results with
difference sets...... no doubt what so ever.

Sadly your response is typical for this site.

dicesetter

Quote: dicesitter

Gabes


a complete joke.....

Again your looking for a magic act, not the indication of dice influence

look at what you requested.....I almost fell off my chair, there is no question you have no, none, not even a
little indication of what I am talking about. Your back to dice control...period. you expect perfection...

ok I now throw more sevens,,, or I will now throw less sevens... ok now I will go over here and throw standing
on my head....have you ever played craps??????????????????????

What your talking about is dice control, that is not possible..... a decent shooter produces different results with
difference sets...... no doubt what so ever.

Sadly your response is typical for this site.

dicesetter

If you can produce different results with different sets, my requests should be fairly reasonable.

I don't understand.

You said you walked over to your table, threw a high percentage 8 or under, then threw a high percentage 8 or higher.

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I just moved over to my table and threw 2 sets of 10 rolls, one set and another with a set which has a completely different starting axis.

first set... 6-2,2/4, 1/5,2/4,3/1,1/5,5/1,4/6,5/2,1/4

second set 3/6,4/6,5/3,5/4,5/5, 6/6, 5/6,5/5.1/6,1/5,

set 1 9 0f ten rolls 8 or under
set 2 8 of ten rolls 8 or over.

Same table, same dice, same player.. different set,

You made it sound like a matter of fact thing that you could do on demand.

It doesn't matter to me if you figured this out in a week, or if it is the culmination of your life's work.

Just show us a video. No joke.