Ahigh
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June 22nd, 2014 at 1:07:55 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Trouble is: Dice Influence only exists in our desires.



And in the fearful minds of the break-in-houses.
TheWolf713
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June 22nd, 2014 at 4:12:12 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

And in the fearful minds of the break-in-houses.



So true!!!!



OK guys, another scenario..
Empty table during dead time, just you or one or two Guys

Play the DP….Establish the Point with MAX ODDS…. Shoot for the seven….
And the other player wants to pass the dice


What are your Thoughts??????
"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter" -Mark Walberg pain and Gain
petroglyph
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June 22nd, 2014 at 4:39:56 PM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713

So true!!!!



OK guys, another scenario..
Empty table during dead time, just you or one or two Guys

Play the DP….Establish the Point with MAX ODDS…. Shoot for the seven….
And the other player wants to pass the dice


What are your Thoughts??????



I think your scenario has me with the dice, betting the don't, max odds and me trying to hit a seven.

Other players at the table already, 1-2. If I succeed in my endeavor to hit the seven the dice will pass anyway.

The other person [is it a player?] that wants me to pass the dice. I am assuming they don't like me throwing and betting the don't.

The flow of my game gets interupted like this so the best thing for me to do is to start aiming for the point. I am bound to hit the seven. Then everyone is pleased, and I reasess I wish to stay or leave. The game probably has already gone to long with people rude enough to mess with a shooter.
TheWolf713
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June 22nd, 2014 at 5:36:27 PM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

I think your scenario has me with the dice, betting the don't, max odds and me trying to hit a seven.

Other players at the table already, 1-2. If I succeed in my endeavor to hit the seven the dice will pass anyway.

The other person [is it a player?] that wants me to pass the dice. I am assuming they don't like me throwing and betting the don't.

The flow of my game gets interupted like this so the best thing for me to do is to start aiming for the point. I am bound to hit the seven. Then everyone is pleased, and I reasess I wish to stay or leave. The game probably has already gone to long with people rude enough to mess with a shooter.



Sorry
let me correct that.. When I said "passing the dice" I meant the other player was a fellow DP player and didn't mind. He wants you to shoot for the seven out, and will pass the dice right back to continue.
"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter" -Mark Walberg pain and Gain
petroglyph
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June 22nd, 2014 at 5:47:54 PM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713

Quote: petroglyph

I think your scenario has me with the dice, betting the don't, max odds and me trying to hit a seven.

Other players at the table already, 1-2. If I succeed in my endeavor to hit the seven the dice will pass anyway.

The other person [is it a player?] that wants me to pass the dice. I am assuming they don't like me throwing and betting the don't.

The flow of my game gets interupted like this so the best thing for me to do is to start aiming for the point. I am bound to hit the seven. Then everyone is pleased, and I reasess I wish to stay or leave. The game probably has already gone to long with people rude enough to mess with a shooter.



Sorry
let me correct it.. When I said "passing the dice" I meant the other player was a DP player and didn't mind. He wants you to shoot for the seven out



Where is my bet, on the passline? If so I try to ignore them, good luck with that for very long.

I guess my standard answer for any scenario is I won't just give up the dice. I think it an odd or weird request that someone would ask me to do so, if I choose without their input to quit throwing, I will but not in the middle of a roll when a point is established. On long rolls before, I've decided I was leaving win or lose after the next roll and will say so before establishing a point.
TheWolf713
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June 22nd, 2014 at 6:03:44 PM permalink
@petroglyph

Your bet would be on the Don't Pass as well… You would be shooting from the Don't with Max odds, after the point is established, you would proceed to shoot for the seven…. Once you seven out, the other player would allow you shoot again… I know it sounds dumb and simple…
"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter" -Mark Walberg pain and Gain
petroglyph
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June 22nd, 2014 at 6:10:32 PM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713

@petroglyph

Your bet would be on the Don't Pass as well… You would be shooting from the Don't with Max odds, after the point is established, you would proceed to shoot for the seven…. Once you seven out, the other player would allow you shoot again… I know it sounds dumb and simple…



Ok, I get it now. I'm particularly thick today for some reason. It hit 107 in the shade, could be the problem?

In that scenario, it sounds like fun. I/we have had it happen on the right side. I don't play enough dark. One of things I am working to change.
RS
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June 23rd, 2014 at 12:19:43 AM permalink
Quote: VegasDiceController

Exactly what Ive been doing for a few months now. Lay all numbers behind on the CO Roll to Win increments of 20 since the house VIG is based off of a $20 WIN.

So laying 4/10 for $40 each to Win $20....Laying 5/9 for $30 to Win $20 and laying 6/8 $24 to win $20. A CO 7 and you Win 6 bets of $20 ($120) less the $6 vig for a NET of $114, while only putting at risk 1 bet of a box number. If you take into account the 6/8 should roll more than the 4/10, your risk now becomes $24 +$1 vig=$25 risk to win $114. You could Lose 4 bets and Win 1 bet and still be ahead.

So get good at throwing C.O 7's. Another option is skip 6/8 and take that $24 and add to lay of 5/9 and add $6 ea to make it a $60 to win 40. Yes a hit on 5 and 9 would lose 2 bets but a hit on the 6/8 would net zero and you would take down Lays after the 6/8 rolled.

One could pull the 6/8 of $24 each to putting an additional $40 to win $20 on 4 or 10 additional $$$. Pick the one that's lost the most of the 2. Now you have an extra $9 to deal with and you could use $2-3 to Hop that hard 4 etc. So only number that could screw you would be 2 # of possible 36, so you would reduce your risk even more.

So you roll would look like this...

Do a Doey/Dont for $table minimum...Lay 4 for $80 to win $40 and Lay 10 for $40 to Win 20, Lay the 5&9 for $30 ea to Win $20. Vig is $2.
Leave the 6/8 open and set for a 7. A CO 7 you win a net of $96.
A C.O 6/8 and you Lose zero. You now can take odds on the 6/8 of $10 and your risk to Win $100 is $10 or 1/10 /10% of possible $100 Win on a CO7.
A C.O 5 or 9 and you Lose $31. A C.O easy 10 and you Lose $40 ( a 5% chance to Lose) ... a C.O easy 4 and you lose $80 (a 5% chance to Lose).

So perfect throwing C.O 7's, do a doey/dont P/DP and lay 4,5,9,10, Hop the H4 for $3 and the hop the H10 for $1. You are in a good position to hit multible 7's and when you do hit a point box number, if it happens to be a 6 or 8 you reduce risk and house edge even more.

When tracking the table, when i see 5 consecutive box # rolls without a C.O 7, I look to Lay the back Wall like I posted above. if I lose 3 bets, (now 8 consecutive box CO rolls) I bump above senario up to win $40 instead of $20.

7 Winner...Words to my ears...



Vig is the same for a $25 win as a $20 win. Better off lay 50/36/30 on 4/5/6 respectively to win 25/24/25.
dicesitter
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June 23rd, 2014 at 8:10:07 PM permalink
7's



I would not play the game of betting the 7's for one simple reason, if you dont hit the 7 you lose money.


I dont agree with putting all your money on 6 & 8 either, but say you do have money on the 6 & 8 or 4 & 10
and you dont hit them, you dont lose money. You lay all the numbers and you hit a 5, you lose, you then hit a 9
you lose, you hit an 8 you lose, you hit a 4 or 10 you really lost.

A real good dice influencer may have a small advantage, but not enough to go to the table each day and
bet the same numbers days after day.

You surely cant go to the table and throw all 7's and when you lay, you lose more than your going to
win on any non 7 so you have to hit way more than 50% just to break even.... pure folly!!!!!

Dicesetter

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