If you're gonna shoot the dice...
There is realy no confusion at all in terms of what a Di is or is not and what they
can do or not do.
Most of us that work on dice control are just like people that want to be good at
bowling or golfing or any other sport.
You learn as much about the game as you can and practice as much as possible on a
shot that is repeatable... period...
When your on and playing on a table you like you can be affective, but you cant always avoid a
7 and you cant always avoid all the nonsense on a table. If your smart you make some and leave
ahead, if your like most players you make some and then lose more.
No DI wins all time... period and no DI is the same everyday, thats why this nonsense that one person
is better than another is such foolishness...any day of the week a random roller could have a longer
roll than any DI or have more hard 8's than any DI on a given day or night.... and any one DI could
be more affective than another.
The only thing practice does as with any other sport is give you a chance.... end of story.
The best thing that ever happened to a casino is dice setting.... for one thing it brings more people
to the table, many times a table sets there empty because a first time player wont play alone, A Di
starts playing and what do you know it is full.
Also people that think they are Di's lose much more money than good ones can win. You get some
that all of a sudden think they are the best so they increase their bets or stay to long and boom
they are done because they lost it all.
The best any of us can do is try to put the odds as much as possible in our favor.
Dicesetter
Quote: dicesitter
There is realy no confusion at all in terms of what a Di is or is not and what they
can do or not do.
Most of us that work on dice control are just like people that want to be good at
bowling or golfing or any other sport.
You learn as much about the game as you can and practice as much as possible on a
shot that is repeatable... period...
When your on and playing on a table you like you can be affective, but you cant always avoid a
7 and you cant always avoid all the nonsense on a table. If your smart you make some and leave
ahead, if your like most players you make some and then lose more.
No DI wins all time... period and no DI is the same everyday, thats why this nonsense that one person
is better than another is such foolishness...any day of the week a random roller could have a longer
roll than any DI or have more hard 8's than any DI on a given day or night.... and any one DI could
be more affective than another.
The only thing practice does as with any other sport is give you a chance.... end of story.
The best thing that ever happened to a casino is dice setting.... for one thing it brings more people
to the table, many times a table sets there empty because a first time player wont play alone, A Di
starts playing and what do you know it is full.
Also people that think they are Di's lose much more money than good ones can win. You get some
that all of a sudden think they are the best so they increase their bets or stay to long and boom
they are done because they lost it all.
The best any of us can do is try to put the odds as much as possible in our favor as possible.
Dicesetter
I think that dicesetter really hit it on the head with his post.
It's about time that the real DI's out there take a stand on all the fiction that has been written!
Unfortunately,.. The casinos actually believe all of this great fiction that is written about the DI's, they think that everybody that sets the dice can take them for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.
No wonder everybody says there are no DI's how could anybody live up to all of that great fiction?
Like taking a cool half-million off the table with a $2,000 buy-in, or one of my favorite ones, a three day comp trip to Macau for a chunky green chip player to play craps, when they are lucky if they even have 20 tables in all of Macau. Then there's always the trip report of an AC trip where he was losing money, only to win it all back and then some after only having two hours sleep, because he plays craps all night long.
Most readers here, probably have been saying for years,.. what BS! I know that I've been saying it, but the trouble is when you question anything these guys write, they kick you off their boards!
I absolutely agree........Now all we have to do is find ONEQuote: superrick
It's about time that the real DI's out there take a stand on all the fiction that has been written!
!
If only Big Foot hunters had a good attitude. I think we will find or prove BF before we prove or find a real DI.Quote: dicesitterAxelwolf
There is realy no confusion at all in terms of what a Di is or is not and what they
can do or not do.
Most of us that work on dice control are just like people that want to be good at
bowling or golfing or any other sport.
You learn as much about the game as you can and practice as much as possible on a
shot that is repeatable... period...
When your on and playing on a table you like you can be affective, but you cant always avoid a
7 and you cant always avoid all the nonsense on a table. If your smart you make some and leave
ahead, if your like most players you make some and then lose more.
No DI wins all time... period and no DI is the same everyday, thats why this nonsense that one person
is better than another is such foolishness...any day of the week a random roller could have a longer
roll than any DI or have more hard 8's than any DI on a given day or night.... and any one DI could
be more affective than another.
The only thing practice does as with any other sport is give you a chance.... end of story.
The best thing that ever happened to a casino is dice setting.... for one thing it brings more people
to the table, many times a table sets there empty because a first time player wont play alone, A Di
starts playing and what do you know it is full.
Also people that think they are Di's lose much more money than good ones can win. You get some
that all of a sudden think they are the best so they increase their bets or stay to long and boom
they are done because they lost it all.
The best any of us can do is try to put the odds as much as possible in our favor as possible.
Dicesetter
Quote: CrapsGeniousEasy now, you're talking to a 15 year veteran.
I take it you don't play craps?
Stop with that. I've played craps for longer than you, I'm far younger than you are, and both of us have the same edge on the passline. Touting your skill at playing a random game because you've played it for a long time is like touting your skill at breathing because you're old. I'm reasonably confident that I'm better at breathing than you (I play big wind instruments) so breathing clearly doesn't correlate with longevity. Neither does success at playing the passline.
Quote: AxelWolfI absolutely agree........Now all we have to do is find ONE
Well you must be one of those guys that love to read all of that fiction, I think that dicesetter explained it pretty well.
I have never picked up a DI book in my life. I understand, IF there is an edge to be had, it would be small and your daily results would vary and only though a very large sample would you have your answer. Even then, luck may be on your side. If DI if your only income and your bankroll is growing every year without adding in extras, then I would have to think there is something to it. In every aspect of REAL AP, ie. card counting, video poker, advantage slots etc, etc. People have proven it works with just as thin of edges. No disputing it. Craps should be the same way if there is a true edge, yet no one has proved it. I have yet to see one successful DI who is making money on only DI year after year while building a bankroll.Quote: superrickWell you must be one of those guys that love to read all of that fiction, I think that dicesetter explained it pretty well.
I like your posts, but you as with most other people suggest a DI or
advantage player must make a living on craps or gambing to be successful.
That is the tact and attack Ahigh always had against anyone he thought
may be a threat to his claim of being the best.
If you play craps only a hundred hands a week with a starting bet of $54
and only assuming a aggregate HA of 3.5% you have an expected loss
of $1.89 per hand or $189.00 per hundred hands times 52 weeks is
$9828 per year.
Now that is at only 3.5% HA, i understand there are people that still
think the real pass line expected loss is 1.4-5%, but that is a different
story.
If a player, or DI or anyone plays the game and ends up close to
even or just a tad in the hole each year, he or she is making
a number of thousands of dollars. If your starting bet is $104.00
per hand and you break even your changing the expected negative
out come by close to $20,000.
Remember, gambling has a negative return expectation, it is not a job
where no matter what you get it is a positive number.
As a DI or advantage player you dont have to make a living to be
successful.
Dicesetter
Quote: CrapsGeniousAs to a "card counter" is to playing a -EV game?
(Last time I checked, a card counter turns the tables on the house) as to (A "DI" winning at the craps table)
Last time I checked all casino games are -EV.
(Are we missing something here?)
Give me an example of a +EV game?
Well that's easy many video poker games as well as many slot progressives are +EV with standard optimal play. Also again a card counter can quantify his edge it is not based on his feelings that he is influencing anything. Can you prove that you roll 7s either less than 1/6 or more than 1/6. What is the probability the results you experience are just due to random chance?
