If you're gonna shoot the dice...
I'm getting frustrated at the tables when players choose to shoot the dice and just pick up the dice and randomly shoot them to the back wall.
(Yes I'm complaining about this).
12 out of 14 shooters result in 7-out and not even making a point. I know this is quite the judgement but geez, after 4 hrs of play watching these shooters repeat what they did last time they rolled is just starting to take it's toll on us regulars.
My personal recommendation if your a random dice shooter,
Put the 5's together & also 4's and toss them. (Try to give yourself some kind of hope that you can influence the dice to give you a better advantage.
That's it, that's all.
But I've already sacrificed the chicken up in the hotel room in the hops of getting good numbers and closing parentheses.Quote: CrapsGenious
My personal recommendation if your a random dice shooter,
Put the 5's together & also 4's and toss them. (Try to give yourself some kind of hope that you can influence the dice to give you a better advantage.
That's it, that's all.
Quote: CrapsGeniousI know this is quite the judgement but geez, after 4 hrs of play watching these shooters repeat what they did last time they rolled is just starting to take it's toll on us regulars.
I think its the built in house edge along with the fact that there's no way to control dice that's taking a toll on the regulars
*facepalm*
Quote: FleaStiffBut I've already sacrificed the chicken up in the hotel room in the hops of getting good numbers and closing parentheses.
I think that that works better than traditional DI. The chicken blood makes the dice sticky.
The funny thing is you guys are falling for this. It's just an attempt to ruffle some feathers. Trolling/baiting perhaps? The fact we all respond to this BS is what keeps them going and fuels them more . If all the regular posters made a pact not to respond to such nonsense. They would disappear fast. Perhaps a side bet who can last the longest without responding to any of this junk would help.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI think that that works better than traditional DI. The chicken blood makes the dice sticky.
I like some of your posts and think your an interesting guy.Quote: CrapsGeniousAttention all craps player that decide to shoot the dice.
I'm getting frustrated at the tables when players choose to shoot the dice and just pick up the dice and randomly shoot them to the back wall.
(Yes I'm complaining about this).
12 out of 14 shooters result in 7-out and not even making a point. I know this is quite the judgement but geez, after 4 hrs of play watching these shooters repeat what they did last time they rolled is just starting to take it's toll on us regulars.
My personal recommendation if your a random dice shooter,
Put the 5's together & also 4's and toss them. (Try to give yourself some kind of hope that you can influence the dice to give you a better advantage.
That's it, that's all.
If you think you can legally shoot the dice with any better results then picking up the dice and randomly shooting them to the back wall. A wager can be made regarding this.
Quote: AxelWolfI like some of your posts and think your an interesting guy.
If you think you can legally shoot the dice with any better results then picking up the dice and randomly shooting them to the back wall. A wager can be made regarding this.
Well, 4 minutes into the side bet, and you're out...
Sometimes I pick them up and chuck them downrange hard without a pause...
Sometimes I pick them up, play some yahtzee, pick two, and toss them gently...
Sometimes I very carefully set them in a 3V and toss them carefully towards the automatic randomizer...
There my dice to roll...as long as it is legal, I'll roll them however I want.
They'll still be random every time.
I have won and lost rolling each way.
I guess you'd just have to be aggravated at me sometimes!!
If you really believe that just picking up the dice and throwing them makes 7s then why not just play the don't when those people shoot.
Seems like a simple solution to me.
Seems a good player would be able to turn this interesting stat into an advantage. If true!
Quote: AxelWolfI like some of your posts and think your an interesting guy.
If you think you can legally shoot the dice with any better results then picking up the dice and randomly shooting them to the back wall. A wager can be made regarding this.
No wager needed.
I know for fact it's better. I was the only guy at the table that was averaging 2 points during those cold table sessions compared to most of the others who couldn't even make a single point in such a long time. One guy lost more than $1500, during the 1 hr session, Out came $500 chip, followed by 1k chip followed by another 500 chip. He was down to $300.00, I kept passing the dice during that time. No points were made. Finally I decided, to do the Doey/don't and roll the dice, Wow! not that hard, 2 points rolled per average session that went back to back, everyone at the table passing the dice back to me after 7 out.
I'm glad the guy got most of his money back from the repeating 6's & 8's.
Maybe next time, he can "Tip" the shooter.
Quote: Sabretom2"12 out of 14 shooters result in 7-out and not even making a point."
Seems a good player would be able to turn this interesting stat into an advantage. If true!
We did. Betting the doey/don't w/Odds on the Don't.
Quote: RonCI'll throw the darned dice any old way I please, thank you!!
Sometimes I pick them up and chuck them downrange hard without a pause...
Sometimes I pick them up, play some yahtzee, pick two, and toss them gently...
Sometimes I very carefully set them in a 3V and toss them carefully towards the automatic randomizer...
There my dice to roll...as long as it is legal, I'll roll them however I want.
They'll still be random every time.
I have won and lost rolling each way.
I guess you'd just have to be aggravated at me sometimes!!
I'm sorry. Just sometimes I get like "mike matusow" The "Tell it like it is" poker player.
Are those results repeatable whenever you want?Quote: CrapsGeniousI was the only guy at the table that was averaging 2 points during those cold table sessions compared to most of the others who couldn't even make a single point in such a long time.
Quote: SanchoPanzaAre those results repeatable whenever you want?
they were saturday night/sunday morning.
Are you saying my roll affects other players? Didn't know!Quote: CrapsGeniousAttention all craps player that decide to shoot the dice.
I'm getting frustrated at the tables when players choose to shoot the dice and just pick up the dice and randomly shoot them to the back wall.
(Yes I'm complaining about this).
12 out of 14 shooters result in 7-out and not even making a point. I know this is quite the judgement but geez, after 4 hrs of play watching these shooters repeat what they did last time they rolled is just starting to take it's toll on us regulars.
My personal recommendation if your a random dice shooter,
Put the 5's together & also 4's and toss them. (Try to give yourself some kind of hope that you can influence the dice to give you a better advantage.
That's it, that's all.
Quote: BleedingChipsSlowlyAre you saying my roll affects other players? Didn't know!
I would like to say no, but then i'd be lying. unfortunately, it affects them especially when you PSO 90% of the time.
If dice influencing really worked, he would be hiring someone else to make these posts since it would be so costly for him to take time away from the craps table as he would be making a fortune rolling sevens over and over again and drawing thousands of players to mob the table as the delighted stickman yelled out "Seven Shooter here. Seven Shooter here and half the casino tried to get in on the action.Quote: AxelWolfIf you think you can legally shoot the dice with any better results then picking up the dice and randomly shooting them to the back wall. A wager can be made regarding this.
Quote: CrapsGenious
Quote: BleedingChipsSlowlyAre you saying my roll affects other players? Didn't know!
I would like to say no, but then i'd be lying. unfortunately, it affects them especially when you PSO 90% of the time.
Dice setting, huh? And someone told me the filthy stares were because I was yelling "No seven, no seven!" Now that I know I can PSO 90% of the time I'll put my mortgage and 401K money on the dark side. Ok, kidding aside. I was going to change my OP to "didn't know don't care!", but that would not be completely true. I am not a member of the church of DI and will never convert, but I have found there is no harm in respecting the beliefs of other players so long as I don't think it is affecting my bankroll. I furrow my brow and stare intently at the dice, carefully arranging them into whatevrer pattern strikes my fancy at the moment. Just for you, CrapsGenius, going forward I will always set them to 5's.
[Axel, what? No "+1" for the bite? Dude, ya let me down...]
Edit: Include my OP.
Quote: slytherGrip 'em and rip 'em
Just Toss Them Nice And Easy. (Yes this was an actual commercial!)
It would affect you a lot more if all random throwers quit
playing. then if you wanted to play it would be in a back
alley.
Imagine how random throwers feel when some di's go
to the table and take time to set the dice, throw the dice
and 7 out several times in a row.
Di's dont win all the time and random throwers dont
have short rolls all the time.
we are all free to bet on which ever thrower we want
to, and if your good enough to make money on your
roll, others should have no impact on you.
dicesetter
Quote: dicesitterCrapsgenious
It would affect you a lot more if all random throwers quit
playing. then if you wanted to play it would be in a back
alley.
Imagine how random throwers feel when some di's go
to the table and take time to set the dice, throw the dice
and 7 out several times in a row.
Di's dont win all the time and random throwers dont
have short rolls all the time.
we are all free to bet on which ever thrower we want
to, and if your good enough to make money on your
roll, others should have no impact on you.
dicesetter
I've yet to see a DI PSO as much as I see tables full of random shooters PSO back to back and keep repeating day after day.
I haven't lost when a DI shoots the dice, never. (I may have lost my starting wager on a DI PSO one time during 1 session, but then gain it back fast during another session with same DI shooter.
You never lose with DI.
Quote: FleaStiffIf dice influencing really worked, he would be hiring someone else to make these posts since it would be so costly for him to take time away from the craps table as he would be making a fortune rolling sevens over and over again and drawing thousands of players to mob the table as the delighted stickman yelled out "Seven Shooter here. Seven Shooter here and half the casino tried to get in on the action.
If they could say that, they would and also say "PSO shooter here" 90% of the time. No wager needed, keep your money.
Quote: djatcI can throw a 7 once every 6 throws. Mostly due to influencing the dice by making right side bets
That's good so long as your 5th throw was making the point. :P cheers!
Quote: FrankScobleteThe Captain believed that even random shooters should have style. Setting the dice, taking care with one's roll, being serious; all of that can be a part of a craps player's style. Does it influence the results of a random game? No, but it looks good. Clothes are clothes yet we tend to think in styles of clothes as well. In truth, if clothes are meant only to cover you and protect you against the weather, then why bother with style?
I agree with this.
I like when a player takes a moment to set their dice, or makes circles on the felt with them, or mutters strange things like "circle the wagons, boys" even if they just pick up the dice and hurl them like any random shooter does.
I like that they take some "care" or "interest" in what they are doing.
Show me that you "care" about your throw and I will feel better. But when you get a player who has the expression that says "I don't know what I'm doing and I don't care what I'm doing" then it makes me not want to bet.
Unfortunately (and please don't label me a sexist for this) when a guy urges his girl to throw and she doesnt want to but takes the dice anyway, and throws them like she doesn't know what she's doing, nor does she care, nor does she understand what she is doing -- it usually ends in a disaster for right-way bettors.
*** You can't be that good or guys would be tossing you chips, so unless they are tipping you good money, then you must not be as good as you say you are. The fact you don't get tipped much when your shooting is the best indication your sot is nothing like you describe.***Quote: CrapsGenious
I still think you are just trolling. anyone with half as much skill as you claim would not have to Waite 8 years to retire from their real job. I not even saying you would have millions of dollars. But, since you have been playing for 15 years. and you have access to your supposed advantage 24/7 365 and twice on Sundays on a game that is normally very fun for people. I cant understand why you still work or can't retire anytime you want.
BTW I would never retire from AP (you don't retire from its like fishing you may slow down) unless I was a vegetable. At that point I would pass on my information and money(none and zero) to someone to continue playing and then send my GF a check each month.
I quit my real job in the early 90s and I spend a TON of time at home. Not saying im rich or bragging im, just saying your story does not hold water. since you have both DI income and machinist income. I assume they make good money.( what exactly do you machine?)
Just show me one guy who has made his money entirely from DI for more then 3 years.The best of the best "DI's" say its the most difficult AP at best.
that's why they sell classes and books or whatever they do.
Why a low roller? no pun intended.
Your not even willing to put any money on yourself. Just Make a video of your play with a cell phone.
Just in craps? Some people would just have said, "girl. it usually ends in a disaster"Quote: AlanMendelson
Unfortunately (and please don't label me a sexist for this) when a guy urges his girl to throw and she doesnt want to but takes the dice anyway, and throws them like she doesn't know what she's doing, nor does she care, nor does she understand what she is doing -- it usually ends in a disaster for right-way bettors.
Quote: AxelWolfJust in craps? Some people would just have said, "girl. it usually ends in a disaster"
Most times. Just two weeks ago there was a new girl approached the craps table with similar scenario, started off rolling two 7's on come out followed by 1 point, rolled new number and 7 out.
She all took us by surprise when she rolled again and made 4 points firebet and 17 numbers total roll. As usual we didn't bet too much or press our bets.
:)
Quote: AxelWolf*** You can't be that good or guys would be tossing you chips, so unless they are tipping you good money, then you must not be as good as you say you are. The fact you don't get tipped much when your shooting is the best indication your sot is nothing like you describe.***
They do tip me and some players even place bets for me when playing at the Brantford Casino, the other casino's people are so cheap, they pat me on the back, clap, hi 5, get loud, as they fill their pockets with chips, and when I finally 7 out, I get a short clap and a couple thank you's but never gratitudes, especially from that dark side whale from rochester who bets $5/chip on every roll on top of his 1k dp bet.
Quote:I still think you are just trolling. anyone with half as much skill as you claim would not have to Waite 8 years to retire from their real job. I not even saying you would have millions of dollars. But, since you have been playing for 15 years. and you have access to your supposed advantage 24/7 365 and twice on Sundays on a game that is normally very fun for people. I cant understand why you still work or can't retire anytime you want.
if it was me, yes, I would not leave the casino unless I was really tired, unfortunately I have a Miss's who controls my stay.
Quote:BTW I would never retire from AP (you don't retire from its like fishing you may slow down) unless I was a vegetable. At that point I would pass on my information and money(none and zero) to someone to continue playing and then send my GF a check each month.
Not that easy.
Quote:I quit my real job in the early 90s and I spend a TON of time at home. Not saying im rich or bragging im, just saying your story does not hold water. since you have both DI income and machinist income. I assume they make good money.( what exactly do you machine?)
Milling machine operator, Some Lathe work, they pay me pretty good.
Quote:Just show me one guy who has made his money entirely from DI for more then 3 years.The best of the best "DI's" say its the most difficult AP at best.
that's why they sell classes and books or whatever they do.
there are many, I've met quite a few DI's at the Canada casino Fallsview (Allen usually there around noon shoots next to stick man), (Bob (69.5) Shoots usually spot 11 or spot 3), (PUMA Shoots a ton of back to back sixes including hard sixes) (Terry, just made another 5 number firebet last weekend around noon) (Rocko rolling a ton of 4's) (Sinci building his rows of black chips and shooting tons of numbers) there are 4 others but not sure about the names.
Quote:Why a low roller? no pun intended.
Your not even willing to put any money on yourself. Just Make a video of your play with a cell phone.
I play craps for hobby, I test many different betting systems most of the time and when I do play, I have a fair share of chips on the table. I parley my hardways to $50 each, I press my 6/8 to 30 each. I do pretty good at that level. I do tend to get crazy with green chips when I play the 6/8 $64 across and parley winnings strategy. (I don't go overboard anymore).
i still hedge my firebets up to 2k against the 6th point.
It's not low roller to me. :)
If you're really winning after 15 years, This may be the reason you're winning. Small house edge a bit of luck and suckers who toss you chip and place bets for you.Quote: CrapsGeniousThey do tip me and some players even place bets for me when playing at the Brantford Casino)
your win rate you seem to be implying still doesn't give with everything. Anyone with common sense who really knew the had a big advantage wouldn't still be working. As far as the wife goes, that's easily dealt with. http://footage.shutterstock.com/clip-3263767-stock-footage-man-digging-grave-at-night.html or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SXUxnQdl0I
Good Luck, I hope someone legit takes you up on your meet up offer.
Quote: CrapsGeniousAttention all craps player that decide to shoot the dice.
I'm getting frustrated at the tables when players choose to shoot the dice and just pick up the dice and randomly shoot them to the back wall.
(Yes I'm complaining about this).
12 out of 14 shooters result in 7-out and not even making a point. I know this is quite the judgement but geez, after 4 hrs of play watching these shooters repeat what they did last time they rolled is just starting to take it's toll on us regulars.
My personal recommendation if your a random dice shooter,
Put the 5's together & also 4's and toss them. (Try to give yourself some kind of hope that you can influence the dice to give you a better advantage.
CG, I agree about the setting. 4s up and 5s or 1s facing the shooter works just fine for me but the toss carries just as much weight in the result. A nice gentle toss that softly reaches the back wall so you don't hear the stick person make a comment. I've had many great rolls with this approach and look forward to my next session. It's true that a good mental attitude when walking up to the table will usually give a better outcome during play. I don't use a specific betting strategy but try to limit the place bets to about 10% of my buy in. I very rarely play "don't come/pass" actually about 3-4 times in 1,000 sessions. When the right mix of people are gathered at the table, good things will happen. Unfortunately, there will always be novices and jerks wasting time and money who don't really know how the game is played. That's when you have to walk away and return on your terms and plans.Reno Mike
Quote: mikeabiomedHow does attitude affect a random event? Unless your bad attitude makes you bet more then you should be or make bad bets?Bad bets = mathematically less -EV then whats availableQuote: CrapsGeniousthat a good mental attitude when walking up to the table will usually give a better outcome during play.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
of them will tell you they lose more often than they win, but their
loses are small and their wins much larger so in the end they profit.
I have seen some of the best and they lose like everyone else.....period
Frank S is one of the most consistent i have ever seen throw and he indicated
he one time went 72 hands without winning. I was in vegas this past month and
saw some very good players and they dont win all the time.I had a number of
good rolls and outings in the month and I also had a strong of 17 hands in a
row where all i could throw was a 4/3 3/4..
I think your doing a great disservice to the Di community when you try tell
people that a DI will win every time he or she gets to the table.... or even worse
to suggest you win every time.
I think we have had enough nonesense for one lifetime on what a good dice thrower
can or can not do.
dicesetter
I'm sooo confused now. I was under the impression, I just needed to find some old guys with names like little Joe, Box Number Billy,Snake Eyes Sammy, Harry the Horn and avoid Seven out Sally and I was set.Quote: dicesitterIf you ask any good Di they will tell you they lose and the vast majority
of them will tell you they lose more often than they win, but their
loses are small and their wins much larger so in the end they profit.
I have seen some of the best and they lose like everyone else.....period
Frank S is one of the most consistent i have ever seen throw and he indicated
he one time went 72 hands without winning. I was in vegas this past month and
saw some very good players and they dont win all the time.I had a number of
good rolls and outings in the month and I also had a strong of 17 hands in a
row where all i could throw was a 4/3 3/4..
I think your doing a great disservice to the Di community when you try tell
people that a DI will win every time he or she gets to the table.... or even worse
to suggest you win every time.
I think we have had enough nonesense for one lifetime on what a good dice thrower
can or can not do.
dicesetter
Not sure who to believe a Craps Genius or a Dice setter, or Read between the lines of real experts on gambling. Screw math, science and really screw that slow motion video, I can rely on the the words of 15 years of a craps players who only has 8 years left to retirement.
Quote: AxelWolfQuote: mikeabiomedHow does attitude affect a random event? Unless your bad attitude makes you bet more then you should be or make bad bets?Bad bets = mathematically less -EV then whats available
AW,
Kinda like baseball where 90% is attitude and the other 10% is talent. Without the positive attitude, you lose. After 40 years that's my take on it. Random is random and has nothing to do with attitude. Kinda like being born isn't just random but that's another topic. Everything we do and succeed with is more than just random data. Sure, the dice are prone to 7s more than any other number so why ever bet more than 6 throws at all? If I walk up to a craps table with $5,000, my goal is to leave with $7,500. If it's not happening, I usually walk away with $4,500. I don't bet heavily from the onset. I absorb the play for what it is because that's all we really see. The mind can be a beautiful thing. Dice have no memory..We know the odds already so if you go in with a good positive mental attitude, you will more than likely do better than if you don't. This includes getting out sooner when things aren't working out in your favor! That's where the real problem lies. Anyone can be lucky anytime and lack the overall experience of knowing what to do. Yes, foolish betting is a downfall. Recently, I watched a young man win $1,500 in 10 minutes at blackjack and because he was cocky or anxious, gave it back in 2 hands. Did odds cause that or ego, inner goal to make $10,000 as he said? You decide. I just witnessed it while I tried to use common sense betting. It doesn't matter what you play, recklessness costs big time. But what do I know? Nobody normal wants to lose. It would be nice to meet some of the "expert" players face to face so I can see if their attitude factors into the play. I usually play alone and therefore, look inside myself before attempting to give it my all or I may give them all of it. To some, none of this will make sense. Others may agree.
MAReno Mike
Quote: AxelWolfI'm sooo confused now. I was under the impression, I just needed to find some old guys with names like little Joe, Box Number Billy,Snake Eyes Sammy, Harry the Horn and avoid Seven out Sally and I was set.
Not sure who to believe a Craps Genius or a Dice setter, or Read between the lines of real experts on gambling. Screw math, science and really screw that slow motion video, I can rely on the the words of 15 years of a craps players who only has 8 years left to retirement.
Don't be confused, some people just refuse to believe that DI's make money at the tables as compared to random shooters loosing their shirts. To each his own. I see "random" i bet the don't. I see "DI" I bet what they bet.
simple.
Quote: rudeboyoiDice influencing is just an excuse to play a -EV game without feeling bad about it.
As to a "card counter" is to playing a -EV game?
(Last time I checked, a card counter turns the tables on the house) as to (A "DI" winning at the craps table)
Last time I checked all casino games are -EV.
(Are we missing something here?)
Give me an example of a +EV game?
Quote: CrapsGeniousDon't be confused, some people just refuse to believe that DI's make money at the tables as compared to random shooters loosing their shirts. To each his own. I see "random" i bet the don't. I see "DI" I bet what they bet.
Well said. It's really not difficult to identify the shooters MO.Reno Mike
Quote: CrapsGeniousAs to a "card counter" is to playing a -EV game?
(Last time I checked, a card counter turns the tables on the house) as to (A "DI" winning at the craps table)
Last time I checked all casino games are -EV.
(Are we missing something here?)
Give me an example of a +EV game?
I think you're missing something here. A card counter can have an edge. A dice influencer thinks he can have an edge.
Quote: rudeboyoiI think you're missing something here. A card counter can have an edge. A dice influencer thinks he can have an edge.
Easy now, you're talking to a 15 year veteran.
I take it you don't play craps?
Quote: CrapsGeniousEasy now, you're talking to a 15 year veteran.
I take it you don't play craps?
what war did you serve in?
sure ill play craps if i got a buddy in town but i dont fool myself in believing in something that doesnt exist. you can only make money off of other peoples stupidity. a player tossing you chips for "shooting well" or buying a players dont bet they wave off on. or a dealer making a mispay in your favor or forgetting to take down a losing bet. its really not that hard to get a nearly breakeven game. you just need a dealer to miss taking your bet down on 1 in 4 yos on the DC.
