TheWolf713
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November 3rd, 2013 at 3:53:28 PM permalink
Sometimes its good to go with a little unscripted play. You can play like peyton (play the table) or play like Matt Schaub.
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superrick
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November 3rd, 2013 at 4:19:58 PM permalink
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TheWolf713
If you want to be a star, this is not for you. If you want to win or add a little something to your play, it will help. Who knows, it just might give you an Advantage.


Iíve been trying to get some guys to switch over to shooting and betting the darkside when things are not working for them. I know one local DI that has the best looking PARR shot that you will ever see, but once he throws a 7 out, he may as well go home. He then becomes the PSO king. I also tried to get him to change when he plays craps, he is always playing on a full table.
To me he is a player that plays a social game of craps, and wonít admit to it! I always tell him that if he is playing craps to make money, he needs to do two things, one is switch over to the darkside when his shooting falls apart. Then the second one is to play one to two hours earlier, when there would be nobody on the tables he plays.

When I do switch to the darkside its hilarious to see the reactions I get from the dealers, but why fight city hall, if you canít beat them, on the right side of the table switch over to the darkside. The trouble with most so-called DIís is that they want to be the star shooter on the tables they play on, they live to put on a show with their shooting, now that if they can pull it off, when they are on the table

Some DI's are not taking anything into consideration when they plan a trip, when they are from out of town, there could be a major convention in Vegas or some other major event going on. If youíre coming into a gaming destination, or youíre there when a event is happening, if youíre smart, you change when you are going to be playing craps. It doesnít matter if youíre a DI or just a player. Iíve read many books that tell everybody that they should be playing on full tables. The trouble with that approach is that you canít keep track of all the players on the table.

You have players coming and going, just when you think that you found that one player that is getting lucky when they are shooting they leave, because they get tired of waiting to shoot again, or they ran out of time to play. You stand a better chance of winning when you play on tables that donít have that many players on them. That lucky shooter didnít blow all of their chips on other shooter, while they were waiting to get the dice back to them.
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petroglyph
A couple places wouldn't let me move my don't or take it down. I'm not sure if that was house rules or the individual dealer, but the rules do vary some from house to house and somewhat between dealer's.


Petroglyph, Itís to the casinos advantage to let you move or take down a donít pass-line bet, if I was you I would question the boxman or a suit about what the dealers is telling you. Iíve never heard of any casino doing what you are saying, but then I donít play in your neck of the desert that often, and I know that they do some strange things down there,and they get away with somethings that wouldn't be tolerated in other gambling destinations.

I once had a dealers in Laughlin, refuse to let me place the point that was established, when I made my first bet on a roll that already started, he wanted to have me make a put bet, right where the shooter was landing his dice. The way I was placing my bet, I would have made more money on the place bet then the pass-line bet. I tried to place the bet 3 or 4 times and this guy wasnít going to have anything to do with it!I called over a suit, and the dealer was removed from the table, the suit apologized to me, telling everybody on the table that the dealer was having a bad day. The boxman wasn't taking control of the game and was letting the dealer get away with his bad behavior.

When they removed that dealers, everybody on the table cheered when he left. Evidently he rubbed all the other players the wrong way too!

This morning when I was playing, I wanted to move one of my bets, I didn't noticed that the dealer did something when I told him to move it, but the stickman did, and told him that it's all about customer service, and you should have a smile on your face when you do anything, was what he told the other dealer!

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petroglyph
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November 3rd, 2013 at 5:53:23 PM permalink
@ supperick

On taking down the don't bet. I did discuss it with them and we finally came to the agreement that it was they're right to mis-manage.
TheWolf713
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November 3rd, 2013 at 6:20:07 PM permalink
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Wow. There is no scenario ever where it makes sense to take down a don't bet that has made it through the come out roll!



This is pretty funny...

Im pretty sure we've all experienced our shares of choppy tables.... And when playing the don't you will see this a lot. There nothing worse than laying a don't against a 6 or 8, then getting it knocked off in 1 roll only for the shooter to establish his next point and seven out immediately...

Just eliminating the 6 & 8 out of your don't play increase your chances of actually winning when you do decide to venture over to play it...
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November 3rd, 2013 at 8:21:40 PM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713

This is pretty funny...

Im pretty sure we've all experienced our shares of choppy tables.... And when playing the don't you will see this a lot. There nothing worse than laying a don't against a 6 or 8, then getting it knocked off in 1 roll only for the shooter to establish his next point and seven out immediately...

Just eliminating the 6 & 8 out of your don't play increase your chances of actually winning when you do decide to venture over to play it...

Wrong. If you are playing the DP you don't get to choose your point. Once you make it through the come out, you YOU LEAVE IT UP until it settles, because you have the ADVANTAGE. In fact, you should leave your 6 and 8 dp up and lay whatever odds that fit into your session bankroll. If you don't want any don't action on the 6 or 8, just lay the 4,5,9 or 10 instead of playing the DP.
TheWolf713
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November 4th, 2013 at 6:37:15 PM permalink
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Wrong. If you are playing the DP you don't get to choose your point.



If you initially play the don't, you can do this after the point is established... Prior to the next roll you have the option to go to the pass line or take it down... for that one roll you can keep it on the don't, change it to the pass, or take it down... the only contract bet is the pass line.

Quote: JB85

Once you make it through the come out, you YOU LEAVE IT UP until it settles, because you have the ADVANTAGE.



A theoretical advantage, maybe..... A real world advantage.... ehhhh


You may think you have an advantage, but playing the dont over time against the 6 & 8 will tell you a different story.
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JB85
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November 5th, 2013 at 8:28:20 AM permalink
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If you initially play the don't, you can do this after the point is established... Prior to the next roll you have the option to go to the pass line or take it down... for that one roll you can keep it on the don't, change it to the pass, or take it down... the only contract bet is the pass line.

Yes I know, what I'm trying to say is that it's a BAD idea to take down a don't bet.



Quote: TheWolf713

A theoretical advantage, maybe..... A real world advantage.... ehhhh


You may think you have an advantage, but playing the dont over time against the 6 & 8 will tell you a different story.

Come on man, once you get past the comeout, you have the ADVANTAGE over the 6 or 8....EVERY TIME. The absolute worst thing you can do is take a don't bet down because the point is a 6 or 8.

Like is said, if you don't want action on the 6 or 8 on the dark side, then instead of playing the don't just lay the 4,5,9, or 10!
Alan
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November 5th, 2013 at 8:53:32 AM permalink
Quote: JB85

Yes I know, what I'm trying to say is that it's a BAD idea to take down a don't bet.



Come on man, once you get past the comeout, you have the ADVANTAGE over the 6 or 8....EVERY TIME. The absolute worst thing you can do is take a don't bet down because the point is a 6 or 8.

Like is said, if you don't want action on the 6 or 8 on the dark side, then instead of playing the don't just lay the 4,5,9, or 10!



Or sell it to another dark sider at the table, if available. I would buy that bet if you didn't want that action on the no 6/8.
petroglyph
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November 5th, 2013 at 9:07:40 AM permalink
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Yes I know, what I'm trying to say is that it's a BAD idea to take down a don't bet.



Come on man, once you get past the comeout, you have the ADVANTAGE over the 6 or 8....EVERY TIME. The absolute worst thing you can do is take a don't bet down because the point is a 6 or 8.

Like is said, if you don't want action on the 6 or 8 on the dark side, then instead of playing the don't just lay the 4,5,9, or 10!





JB, would you have me believe that is your choice of wagers? Then from that I would also infer that you don't place the six and eight. Will you also lay the six and eight every time?

Somehow I didn't think you played strictly by the math? Aaron has also put the challenge out there for people to take the don't. I'm going to pretend also that you will be putting max. odds on these wagers. That would make sense because you have the advantage.

Let me know if you get the show set up with real money in a real casino. You take the don't on the six and eight everytime and let the shooter's have the dice.

This I would like to see.
JB85
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November 5th, 2013 at 10:06:43 AM permalink
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JB, would you have me believe that is your choice of wagers? Then from that I would also infer that you don't place the six and eight. Will you also lay the six and eight every time?

Somehow I didn't think you played strictly by the math? Aaron has also put the challenge out there for people to take the don't. I'm going to pretend also that you will be putting max. odds on these wagers. That would make sense because you have the advantage.

Let me know if you get the show set up with real money in a real casino. You take the don't on the six and eight everytime and let the shooter's have the dice.

This I would like to see.

Well P, I would say I play mostly by the math.

If I'm on the don't, I will always lay odds on the 6 and 8. I don't play max odds, because it doesn't fit in my budget. The casinos near me that I frequent are 20x and 100x odds.

I don't always play the don't. Usually I go with the intention of playing the right side but will switch over if I deem the table "cold". I know, I know, the past doesn't mean anything, but that's what I do. I will also switch back and forth at times depending on how I feel a shooter is going to throw if the table is choppy, which it often is. I tend to "buck the trend" when it is like this. Say if 2 shooters make a point I will get on the don't for a few shooters and vice versa.

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