Dice Setting
Most people who set dice are just performing rituals.
I would rather have this forum called something less condescending.
It would be like calling the "Wizard of Vegas" a "forum of typists" because everybody on here pecks at their keyboards.
I mean you can say that is what we all do is just peck away at our keyboards when we are on this forum.
I know my wife would describe it as such.
But it's sort of demeaning and trivializing what is being done, in reality, in the efforts of attempting to AP the game.
Dice Setting. Did we name the forum after "DiceSitter" the master p-value shooter?
I literally take great offense to the whole "let's sideline them and just call them dice setters" thinking. It's insulting!
So what do dice setters preferred to be called, if I might ask ?
Quote: Buzzard" I literally take great offense to the whole "let's sideline them and just call them dice setters" thinking. It's insulting! "
So what do dice setters preferred to be called, if I might ask ?
First off, I'm not a class giver, a class taker, or really even a book-reader when it comes to how to play the game.
But I am definitely not a "dice setter" or a "dice influencer" nor do I EVER describe myself that way.
I do what I would refer to as "attempted advantage play" SOMETIMES. I still enjoy just gambling on random shooters more than doing attempted advantage play.
But by admitting that it's all just theory and embedding that into the description, I think it at least gives some credibility that you're trying without expectation of success to get an advantage play.
Maybe "Attempted Advantage Roll Player."
Dunno how they knew I hit fifty, but as soon as I did they sent me their infernal membership application.
So they're behind this dice setting nonsense, eh?
Figures; a bunch of old folks with too damned much time on their hands.
Quote: Buzzard" I literally take great offense to the whole "let's sideline them and just call them dice setters" thinking. It's insulting! "
So what do dice setters preferred to be called, if I might ask ?
Dice whisperers Lol the Masters of Crap
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Quote: AhighMaybe "Attempted Advantage Roll Player".
Is there any "AAR", theoretical or actual, legal or grey, that can be accomplished without first setting the dice?
Quote: FaceIs there any "AAR", theoretical or actual, legal or grey, that can be accomplished without first setting the dice?
Is there any computer programming without first typing?
They still don't call computer programming typing.
I'm not (just) a typist. And anyone who described me as such would be missing a lot.
I'm a computer software engineer. If someone said I made the money I make from typing, technically they'd be right. Just inept (and intentionally or otherwise making a slight) in their description.
Quote: AhighQuote: FaceIs there any "AAR", theoretical or actual, legal or grey, that can be accomplished without first setting the dice?
Is there any computer programming without first typing?
Yes, lots of it. That was a poor analogy.
But that's not the issue. The issue is that presumably nobody, including you, believes that advantage play by way of throwing the dice a specific way can be accomplished without regard to the initial orientation of the dice.
Quote: MathExtremistQuote: AhighQuote: FaceIs there any "AAR", theoretical or actual, legal or grey, that can be accomplished without first setting the dice?
Is there any computer programming without first typing?
Yes, lots of it. That was a poor analogy.
But that's not the issue. The issue is that presumably nobody, including you, believes that advantage play by way of throwing the dice a specific way can be accomplished without regard to the initial orientation of the dice.
Similarly, people don't leave the house without putting clothes on. That's makes you a clothes wearer.
The majority of folks who set the dice have nothing. That's the problem.
Quote: AhighSimilarly, people don't leave the house without putting clothes on. That's makes you a clothes wearer.
The majority of folks who set the dice have nothing. That's the problem.
I don't think it's a surprising conclusion that setting the dice is a necessary but not sufficient condition for achieving an advantage (if one is at all possible) in casino craps. Most people who set the dice also throw them haphazardly.
So are you agitating simply to get the name of the sub-forum changed?
There is no end result from someone who sets the dice trying to gain an advantage. They are just a craps player just like everyone else, except for the delusional part. But there has to be somewhere to put these people. Jail is too harsh. Mental Institutions are over-crowded. Obama wants to close Guantanamo Bay.
The only fitting place is a sub-forum called "Dice Setting".
ZCore13
Quote: AhighSimilarly, people don't leave the house without putting clothes on. That's makes you a clothes wearer.
"I find being labeled a 'clothes wearer' to be condescending."
"I don't just 'wear clothes', I festoon myself in appropriate attire hand selected for the specific soiree I am attending."
"I take great offense to be called merely a 'clothes wearer'. To lessen my exploits in fashion to such a level is insulting!"
Sounds crazy, don't it?
I'm just trying to understand. We all have passions, some of which we take seriously. I happen to consider myself the ultimate freshwater predator, and I've got decades of research and pages upon pages of study and story to back me up. But in the end, I'm just a jerk on one end of a line waiting for a jerk on the other. If someone should happen to point that out (which they did, hence my knowledge of the saying) I laugh and adopt it.
Offense only exists if you let it. You claim to dislike it, but then you seem to actively search for it and become upset when you find it.
My admiration for the American Indian has grown over the years.
"I happen to consider myself the ultimate freshwater predator" Drop the word freshwater from that, and I feel your ancestors would be proud.
Beware of your freshwater obsession, it can lead to salt.
Isn't that the truth. Been there done that.Quote: petroglyph@Face
Beware of your freshwater obsession, it can lead to salt.
Quote: Zcore13The name of the job is usually in direct correlation to the end result. One that programs computers is not called a typist, because that is not the end result. Just as one who talks to students is not a talker, they are a teacher.
There is no end result from someone who sets the dice trying to gain an advantage. They are just a craps player just like everyone else, except for the delusional part. But there has to be somewhere to put these people. Jail is too harsh. Mental Institutions are over-crowded. Obama wants to close Guantanamo Bay.
The only fitting place is a sub-forum called "Dice Setting".
Aside from the period being outside the quotes, this was very good grammar expressing the condescending attitudes written by those who are attempting to appear educated in their demonstrative refusal to acknowledge the very real possibility that advantage play craps may one day be considered real by the likes of the Wizard of Vegas.
This condescending position, as so eloquently expressed, albeit with only minor grammatical mistakes, serves perfectly to make my point.
People who write things without true knowledge take a superior position on this subject, in fact stating things as fact when they are not.
Such things stated above include, "There is no end result from someone who sets the dice trying to gain an advantage."
Just saying something doesn't make it true. Otherwise I might say Zcore has died and left his wife and children with nothing except the condemnation of the passion of others with his online postings belittling their efforts towards accomplishing things that some people, such as himself, cannot conceive of being possible. If saying something made things true, I could be convicted of murder for making that statement. I'm not sure Zcore understands that simply stating something does not make it true. Zcore says things often that he, in fact, has no basis for asserting, and merely wishes were true, and wishes that by stating such things that others might consider them to be true.
Quote:Sometimes, some lies that spoken with high confidence could be more receptive than facts that spoken with doubt
Bad English.
Quote: suggested fixSometimes, some lies that are spoken with high confidence could be better received than facts that are spoken with doubt
Just saying
Quote: odiousgambitBad English.
Just saying
It's a quote from the "Master of Stupidity."
Just saying.
Half of what this guy offers is a reflection on how people who think themselves to be smart can't understand the perspectives of the stupid.
Go to the craps table, and maybe you can calculate the edge per roll of each bet to ten decimal places.
But if you don't know why they snap their fingers and say "TWAY-ELVE" what do you really know about the game?
Quote: AboutTheBookEverybody wants to be smart. But the question is, how it's done?
Everybody wants to be respected. Everybody wants to look smart.
Everybody likes to watch smart people, and pretends to be smart.
That's the beginning of crappy bullshit of living a fake life.
These are the first three rules of stupidity amongst hundreds:
First rule of stupidity : Admit honestly that you're stupid enough to earn lessons of your own life.
Second rule of stupidity: Don't take anybody's bullshit about being smart and wise. Just try to be less in stupidity, step by step, gradually.
Third rule of stupidy: You will never learn anything good and pure by pretending to be a smart one. List down all your ignorance and stupidty, then make them as a start.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8542012-master-of-stupidity
Understanding the stupid view and not subscribing to it is the theme.
It's my opinion that much of what Zcore says is pretty stupid and falls into the traps that this book points out about how to avoid being stupid.
Quote: Ahigh
But if you don't know why they snap their fingers and say "TWAY-ELVE"
I am unfamiliar with people who do this. Is this a racial slur?
Quote: AlanMendelsonI am unfamiliar with people who do this. Is this a racial slur?
What makes you think it has anything to do with race? It has to do with people that play craps.
If you are unfamiliar with people who grunt and say "come on dice" and snap their fingers exclaiming "tway-elve" .. you don't know much about the game in my opinion. Maybe a lot about SLICES of the game, but not much about the real game of craps.
But thanks for your perspective on racism, I guess, as myopic as it might be.
People that play the game this way are the people who play the game STUPIDLY and IGNORANTLY. It is FUN to play this way.
They bet things like HORN HIGH ACE DEUCE.
But it has NOTHING to do with race any more than betting a HORN HIGH ACE DEUCE does.
If it has anything to do with anything, it's the way that you play the game when you blindly follow the advice of how to play from those who deal the game and those who instruct those who deal the game.
If you think this has anything to do with race, maybe you have never tried playing the game this way yourself. It's a blast!!!! You're just not going to win is all.
Drinking is fun, too. But being drunk isn't a really good way to get things done. And, in fact, there are drunks who are not a minority race just like there are fingers snappers who are not a minority race.
Of all the dice players on here, you're second to none of the finger snappers, except that you only bet like a snapper and haven't yet learned how to snap your fingers, grunt, and yell out "TWAY-ELVE." You should try it though! Maybe add all the hardways hoppin' the comeout to your arsenal!
He says less in more words than anyone I've ever known. "Advantage play craps", "grinding", "correlation of the dice", "100% random", "liquidating", "impressive roll data", "random shooter". It goes on and on with meaningless made up terms and rants.
For some reason he thinks its everyone's job to prove DC/DI exists, when in fact it's the other way around. And as we all know, if you don't go along with his mis-information, you are lying.
And then if he has no legitimate response to a point or question he tries to correct your grammar and punctuation.
Pretty sad.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13
For some reason he thinks its everyone's job to prove DC/DI exist
well now you can block this whole category [not just this thread] I believe
just saying
Quote: Zcore13Yes, he uses that racial comment all the time. Another of the many reasons he should not be a member here. That along with his constant need for attention, bullying of others, mis-information, preference for correcting peoples grammar and spelling (especially if English is not their first language), twisting of the truth and outright deception make him what he is... irrelevant. He gets upset because nobody takes him seriously. And he wonders why?
He says less in more words than anyone I've ever known. "Advantage play craps", "grinding", "correlation of the dice", "100% random", "liquidating", "impressive roll data", "random shooter". It goes on and on with meaningless made up terms and rants.
For some reason he thinks its everyone's job to prove DC/DI exists, when in fact it's the other way around. And as we all know, if you don't go along with his mis-information, you are lying.
And then if he has no legitimate response to a point or question he tries to correct your grammar and punctuation.
Pretty sad.
Your posts are sad. Especially the posts where you leverage your experience working in the casino as evidence that you know what you're talking about.
Your posts are absolutely ignorant of so many things it would take too much time to list them all.
I wish that working in a casino was an assurance of someone's intelligence, but it's not. I know plenty of unintelligent folks that work in the casino.
You have zero credibility at all, and constantly relay things as if they are facts when they are not. Your posts have an absolute theme that is so familiar to me that I am beginning to not let it bother me. But I just hate it when you write things that come across as being so ignorant, myopic, and stupid. It makes us all look so ignorant for interacting with you.
Quote: odiousgambitwell now you can block this whole category [not just this thread] I believe
just saying
Yeah, I think he's projecting a bit when he claims that I need the attention.
I would welcome the non AARP topics being split off from the more advanced and controversial topics.
It would be great, too, if somehow Zcore could simply not see any of these topics and stay out of things he's not qualified to talk about.
Quote: Ahigh
Yeah, I think he's projecting a bit when he claims that I need the attention.
Hmmmmm. More deception from the Master. This is the last sentence in one of your posts today:
Quote: Ahigh
I'm sure people here can agree that I like to show off.
ZCore13
Your projection is when you say it's a bad thing. I think the way you say it is that I need attention. When you project, it requires you to state what you feel as an unacceptable, unwanted, or undesirable character trait.
I LOVE to show off. For sure, home boy. That's because I have accomplished quite a lot and I have a lot to show for it.
You call it a need for attention, and that's the projection.
If you said, "he really enjoys showing off all his success." That would not be projection because it no longer fits the description.
No charge for that lesson on how projection works. I know you're trying really hard to understand stuff.
Quote: AhighThanks for letting us know you can't tell the difference. But let me help you: when you accomplish something you are showing off to demonstrate what you have accomplished.
Your projection is when you say it's a bad thing. I think the way you say it is that I need attention. When you project, it requires you to state what you feel as an unacceptable, unwanted, or undesirable character trait.
I LOVE to show off. For sure, home boy. That's because I have accomplished quite a lot and I have a lot to show for it.
You call it a need for attention, and that's the projection.
If you said, "he really enjoys showing off all his success." That would not be projection because it no longer fits the description.
No charge for that lesson on how projection works. I know you're trying really hard to understand stuff.
That's where you are wrong as usual. Self complimenting that you've accomplished something is nothing more than attention seeking big boy. When others recognize you is when you've done something.
You've accomplished absolutely nothing in the craps world. To go along with that, you are not a good person. Here's some more of your classic gems:
Quote: Ahigh
Trust me, if there's a way for me to do something the house doesn't like that they can't disallow on the table, I will know about it. And this is one of those things.
Other things that you can do that the house and/or dealers don't like but they can't disallow:
* Neutralizing your come bets with lay bets (you can't take them down, but you can liquidate the value after edge by laying the bet)
* Betting the line and the don't for minimum each and moving the layodds and odds bets all over the freaking place just to keep the dealers busy and slow down the table .. (eg: bet 5 odds on the ten and 12 layodds on the ten at the same time for a $2 effective don't) -- then change it up, make it 7 odds on the 10 and 10 layodds on the ten please -- every roll for every bet you have
* bet a bet for the dealers and say you control it and just parlay it until it doesn't hit again and then tell the dealers what they did wrong
* throw both dice off the table one out of every four rolls and make up some story about how you are trying to keep them on the table
* scream without loud excitement when you win minimum line bet with no odds.
* blame the stick man for everything .. and I mean *everything* - "where's the cocktail waitress stickman?"
* ask to take down bets you can't take down then complain and tell them they do it at another casino
* make dealer bets and take them down and give them to the shooter "give the dealer's hard 8 to the shooter!"
Being an ass at the table is an acquired skill. And you never know when circumstances might call for it.
But when the house does something you don't like, you can pull out one thing after another. If you know what you're doing, they will usually back off pretty quick. Running other players off of a table is the most powerful influence that any player has, and the house fears you running off the george's and the finger snappers probably more than you getting lucky.
It's all going to catch up to you, that I know. It's closer than you think...
ZCore13
Quote: AhighWhat makes you think it has anything to do with race? It has to do with people that play craps.
If you are unfamiliar with people who grunt and say "come on dice" and snap their fingers exclaiming "tway-elve" .. you don't know much about the game in my opinion. Maybe a lot about SLICES of the game, but not much about the real game of craps.
You will have to explain to me how accents and manners of speech and finger snapping applies to knowing about the game of craps.
Again, my question: is this a racial slur?
I do not understand how this particular quote relates to the rules of craps or how the game is played. Please clue me in.
Quote: Zcore13It's all going to catch up to you.
I didn't have time to read your fan mail, but maybe I can get to it later. Thanks for everything! Keep working hard at Bucky's Palace and maybe you can move up and work at Joker's Wild here in the real Las Vegas.
Quote: AlanMendelsonYou will have to explain to me how accents and manners of speech and finger snapping applies to knowing about the game of craps.
Again, my question: is this a racial slur?
I do not understand how this particular quote relates to the rules of craps or how the game is played. Please clue me in.
I won't have to do anything. And I'm referring to your lack of knowledge indicating you don't know much about the game. Not the insight of folks who play this way. You've got it backwards.
If you're saying I'm not white because I play like a finger snapper every now and then, THAT is racist.
At least I know what I'm doing when I root for the stupid bets on the felt like the twelve and the horn.
I think you might still be a little out of the loop on that even after 40 posts about the difference between horn high ace-deuce and a four unit cap check and a one unit yo.
As the betting limits go down, the hold percentage goes up. This is due to people playing "sucker bets" (mostly rounding down $3.50 pays on the six and eight and $4.20 pays on the five and nine). The way that you play (with the prop bets) qualifies as a "sucker bet." Any bet with an edge over 9% per roll in my book qualifies as a "sucker bet."
If you have fun hanging out with these folks, it can make it worthwhile to play in these environments. That's a big part of what makes the game fun: playing with others who are having fun. I do have fun playing! And I play all over town. My main criteria for playing with somebody is if they are fun to play with. I don't have to play the sucker bets to have fun rooting for them. And I do.
I also like the challenge of shooting to win other peoples' sucker bets too. It's a real challenge and I don't lose money if I can't make it. It's fun stuff.
Quote: AhighI won't have to do anything. And I'm referring to your lack of knowledge indicating you don't know much about the game. Not the insight of folks who play this way. You've got it backwards.
If you're saying I'm not white because I play like a finger snapper every now and then, THAT is racist.
At least I know what I'm doing when I root for the stupid bets on the felt like the twelve and the horn.
I think you might still be a little out of the loop on that even after 40 posts about the difference between horn high ace-deuce and a four unit cap check and a one unit yo.
As the betting limits go down, the hold percentage goes up. This is due to people playing "sucker bets" (mostly rounding down $3.50 pays on the six and eight and $4.20 pays on the five and nine). The way that you play (with the prop bets) qualifies as a "sucker bet." Any bet with an edge over 9% per roll in my book qualifies as a "sucker bet."
If you have fun hanging out with these folks, it can make it worthwhile to play in these environments. That's a big part of what makes the game fun: playing with others who are having fun. I do have fun playing! And I play all over town. My main criteria for playing with somebody is if they are fun to play with. I don't have to play the sucker bets to have fun rooting for them. And I do.
I also like the challenge of shooting to win other peoples' sucker bets too. It's a real challenge and I don't lose money if I can't make it. It's fun stuff.
Again, diversion. You made a comment which appears to be racist. If it wasn't meant to be racist please say so. If you didn't mean it to be racist, you should be aware that it appears to be racist. If you are not a racist you shouldn't make such comments.
Again, your quote has nothing to do with how the game of craps is played. Don't pretent that it does.
Now, was your comment racist? Are you a racist? Did you use a poor example to illustrate your point, perhaps?
Quote: AlanMendelsonNow, was your comment racist? Are you a racist? Did you use a poor example to illustrate your point, perhaps?
Stupid bets and funny sayings like "come on dice" and rituals like finger snapping are not limited to a specific race, and no if anybody's being racist it's you. You make some pretty stupid bets yourself, and I have nothing against your race either. Connecting the two as you have done is what's racist. An example of being racist would be if I made the connection with your not wanting to lose money to betting a horn high ace deuce to your race. But I wouldn't do that.
Your bringing up the race thing when I'm talking about people who don't play smart is what is racist.
Listen to this video and you will hear about my little boy "HORN HIGH 12 TONY."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L55hSJ_Mfvc
Listen at 37:15
He loves betting the horn. He's white. This is a stupid bet that he bets for fun because it's not real money and he loves it.
"I like horn high 12 and that can't be controlled." - HORN HIGH 12 TONY (white boy)
Quote: AhighStupid bets and funny sayings like "come on dice" and rituals like finger snapping are not limited to a specific race, and no if anybody's being racist it's you. You make some pretty stupid bets yourself, and I have nothing against your race either.
Let me suggest that you try to understand that comments which you think are "innocent" can easily be considered offensive and even racist.
My race happens to be Caucasian. But my religion is Jewish.
Quote: AlanMendelsonLet me suggest that you try to understand that comments which you think are "innocent" can easily be considered offensive and even racist.
My race happens to be Caucasian. But my religion is Jewish.
Well, to be blunt, I'm not being racist, no. Are you? I find it curious your bringing race into the conversation as well. It seems you're trying to start something up or accuse me that there is a connection with a betting pattern and a race. To me, that's ridiculous!
Connection with intelligence about math? SURE
Race, uhm, not so much.
Seems like another one of those arguments of ignorance.
Quote: Zcore13He says less in more words than anyone I've ever known.
Even gr8player?!
+1Quote: wudgedEven gr8player?!
LOL!!
Quote: AhighWell, to be blunt, I'm not being racist, no. Are you?
I am very happy to know that you are not a racist. I think you would be better off not using that phrase or similar phrases in your discussions whether they be online or at work. Again, you might not be aware that you are offending someone.
I once made an anti-Semitic comment on TV and I had no idea it was anti-Semitic either. Imagine that -- a Jewish guy making an anti-Semitic comment. It was a comment about having a heart as big as a ten pound bagel. I thought it was funny. I quickly found out it was offensive. I learned something.
One quick story:
When my first wife and I "eloped" my best friend and first TV cameraman Jon Bowan made the arrangements. We were living in NYC at the time, but decided to elope in Syracuse where my first TV job was and my friends were there. They were all coming to the "quickie wedding" and then lunch. We were married by a NY Supreme Court Judge in Syracuse.
The night before the wedding we stayed at the Holiday Inn in downtown. it was one of the original "round" hotels with a rotating restaurant. Very "in" for the early 1970s. I told my first wife that "Jon Bowman will be coming over." And that night while I was in the bathroom there was a knock on the door. She opened the door. The next thing I heard was "YOU HAVE THE WRONG ROOM!!" And the door slammed. She runs to the bathroom and with a look of horror on her face she says "there's a big black man at the door!"
And I looked at her and said, "that is Jon Bowman!" (Jon, by the way, later went on to be a very popular news reporter in Denver.)
She ran out in the hall and got him back.
Later she said to me, "why didn't you tell me he's Black?"
I answered: "I never thought of him as Black. He was my cameraman and my best friend."
I spoke to Jon about six months ago when I found out that his daughter is now a fashion designer here in LA and his son, who I held in my arms after he was born, is now a successful, handsome, man (like his father-- because Jon was a good looking guy).
I remember water fountains for "Whites" and for "Colored." And I remember being a kid and my father saying to me "WE believe that Negro people (that was a proper and acceptable term then) have the same rights as we have." The emphasis on "WE" is intentional because my father was telling me that this was the way he wanted me to live as well.
All my friends were all different races, and we embraced all cultures. A lot of my friends were from Oakland, the "Ruff Ryders" and some from San Jose and all around the Bay Area.
So I feel like I can poke fun at the way anybody acts, frankly, because I am right there with them acting alongside them. Not looking down on them, looking across at them.
But it has nothing to do with their race. As a general rule, I don't even play dice with ANY white guys. Harley, Super Rick, and VDC are exceptions, not the rule. Most people who play dice are just not white guys, except the tourists you find at the strip.
Dice is a game played by a wide array of various cultures, and I play and laugh and have fun right alongside ALL of them.
I have yet to get into an argument with any of them (the finger snappers), and when I am playing dice in North Las Vegas, I do my best to fit in and not to be different from anyone else in the way that I act. Just the way that I bet. But I root for the snappers and I shoot for them too. It's a blast.
But I've seen a few folks at these places that bet smart. And I ALWAYS help when asked. But when you're talking about crazy people making crazy bets, it's often best to keep to yourself and just help them root for their number.
Quote: AhighI have yet to get into an argument with any of them (the finger snappers), and when I am playing dice in North Las Vegas, I do my best to fit in and not to be different from anyone else in the way that I act. Just the way that I bet. But I root for the snappers and I shoot for them too. It's a blast.
Here's a craps game at the beginning of "Martin". I cracked up at the kid shooting dice at 0:12. LOL!
I've seen you go on with this type of banter a few times before.
Question, in what ways are your losses more intelligent than theirs?
You should probably stay away from this topic. It really diminishes the value of the work that you have going on with your software. You wouldn't want anyone to come back to these type of comments and get the wrong impression... Just my humble opinion
Quote: Zcore13Yes, he uses that racial comment all the time. Another of the many reasons he should not be a member here. That along with his constant need for attention, bullying of others, mis-information, preference for correcting peoples grammar and spelling (especially if English is not their first language), twisting of the truth and outright deception make him what he is... irrelevant. He gets upset because nobody takes him seriously. And he wonders why?
He says less in more words than anyone I've ever known. "Advantage play craps", "grinding", "correlation of the dice", "100% random", "liquidating", "impressive roll data", "random shooter". It goes on and on with meaningless made up terms and rants.
For some reason he thinks its everyone's job to prove DC/DI exists, when in fact it's the other way around. And as we all know, if you don't go along with his mis-information, you are lying.
And then if he has no legitimate response to a point or question he tries to correct your grammar and punctuation.
Pretty sad.
ZCore13
Nailed this one Z!
Quote: TheWolf713Question, in what ways are your losses more intelligent than theirs?
When you make a bet, such as a $10 big six bet, if I ever did want a $10 bet on the six, I would ask the dealer to book it so I could get paid $11.
I played at Jerry's Nugget tonight and watched someone get paid no fewer than twenty times even money on a $10 big 6.
That's just one way. Please PLEASE don't confuse stupid bets with skin color or race. They are 100% independent.
The whole idea that you can correlate intelligence with race is not the subject up for debate.
There are so many people who make arguments of ignorance, but there are plenty of smart folks with other skin colors than white that don't gamble at all. Let's not forget about them, alright. You guys really need to stop making it sound like I am saying there is a connection between race and intelligence.
I'm not talking about race. I'm talking about stupid. And there's plenty of stupid posts being made on here, so don't try to pretend like it has anything to do with a particular race.
White boy Mendelson himself is a self-proclaimed horn-high-ace-deuce addict on the $25 tables.
Not about race, yo! Plenty of evidence of stupid bets from less intelligent betters all around all the craps tables all up and down this city.
To answer your question, a bet that you can make two ways and one way pays more than they way you're betting it is stupid. Period.
$12 big red is stupid. $12 three-way-red isn't smart, but it's not AS stupid. Reducing stupidity can be accomplished! Less stupid bets exist!
Quote: AhighPlease PLEASE don't confuse stupid bets with skin color or race.
Agreed. It shouldn't be mentioned. But the problem you have made comments that use radial profiling to illustrate your points about craps play.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say you didn't know any better. So do what theWolf713 suggested and drop it and hope it doesn't come back to haunt you either here... or worse at your job or when you play at a casino.
Those who are accusing me of being racist are very likely just projecting their own issues. Anyone who wants to say I'm racist can come play craps with me at Jerry's Nugget or Lucky Club and you can see how I am treated there by other players and other dealers. Go to Lucky Club and ask Wes if I'm racist. Go to Jerry's Nugget and ask Sam if I'm racist. Or Jian. Or Jerry. They are qualified to tell you if I'm racist by how I treat all the other races that are there while we are all playing and having a good time.
And I will tell the dealers and the players to their face about the stupid bets they are making if they ask. But they DO NOT CARE!!! They play how they want to!
So which person accusing me that I'm racist wants to go to Jerry's Nugget with me? Or Lucky Club?
You guys (like Zcore or anyone else still calling me racist) are the ones with the issues!
I will tell you this much, the group of players that makes stupid bets is the most fertile ground for players who could use some lessons on how to play the game. I have thought about coming up with a way to teach these players how to play the game so that they have a better chance to win. Of course no charge! It would likely be a class on a live table free of charge, just tip the dealers as payment instead of giving the casino the higher edge.
1. You don't know when to shut up. All you are doing is creating more Google archives linking you to the world "racist." Someday someone might do a search for you and "racitst" and there are going to be a lot of entries in Google Search for them to read through. The first tool for hiding content on the Internet is to stop adding to that content.
2. You had go go and say "Those who are accusing me of being racist are very likely just projecting their own issues" didn't you? That's a really cool way to get this discussion to die.
Quote: AlanMendelsonTwo things:
1. You don't know when to shut up. All you are doing is creating more Google archives linking you to the world "racist." Someday someone might do a search for you and "racitst" and there are going to be a lot of entries in Google Search for them to read through. The first tool for hiding content on the Internet is to stop adding to that content.
2. You had go go and say "Those who are accusing me of being racist are very likely just projecting their own issues" didn't you? That's a really cool way to get this discussion to die.
Alan Mendelson, it is you who brought up the word racist. Not me. Since you brought it up, we will talk about it until all the questions are answered. You started the accusation that I am racist by asking me point blank if I am racist! And now Zcore has picked up on it. So until we resolve this battle, we will continue to talk about it, thanks to your initial question.
I'm assuming that neither you nor Zcore wants to go play with me at Jerry's Nugget or Lucky Club and ask the players if they think I'm racist. But if we could go and do that, I think it would be awesome.
Teddy has been the Jerry's Nugget with me. We had a freaking blast. I don't think Teddy is racist.
Just saying your not racist doesn't exactly prove anything. Where's Zcore at?!?!
I don't want the discussion to die.
I want people to bet smarter!
That includes you, horn-high-ace-deuce Mendelson!
