move the dice

Superrick



Last night i played on a bouncy 12 footer , with firebet.

I had not played there in 6 months. I was not used to the bounce so i followed your lead
and bet very small until i found the spot to shot and best way to come in, low or high.

Once i found that, i had 23,21,20,20, 17 and couple of other shorter rolls.

That was fun, but if i had not moved some and tried different set it could have
been a bad evening, there was one roll over 10 other than mine. had crew on
fire bet and hit it.

dicesetter

Can't wait till you hit Nevada so Ahigh can watch the master at work!

i would be very happy to be there no matter what happens.


90 days and counting

dicesetter

DeMango

I've been on the tables with dicesitter before and so has Petroglyph, why does he have to prove anything to anybody. I could have posted the rolls he had, but then I would have been called a liar by the the so-called best shooter in the whole wide world! When dicesitter does come back out here, I will be going to the tables with him again, him and his wife are great people.

SR: The only thing I doubt on this site is 18 yo's in a row and of course the Admirals, 179 shot, turn of the dice!

Quote: DeMango

Can't wait till you hit Nevada so Ahigh can watch the master at work!

If you think Ahigh needs someone to show him how to play craps why don't you do it?

Quote: petroglyph

If you think Ahigh needs someone to show him how to play craps why don't you do it?

My talents are not that masterful, or at least not worthy of braggadocio, as are the talents of dicesitter.

Demango



I am not coming out there to play against ahigh, we dont agree on
some things, but i hope he does well just as i hope we all do well..

Beating the table is what we all want to do, thats not easy, but
when it happens it is fun.

Remember what Paul Neuman said in "the color of money"
he said he discovered that money won is twice as nice as money
earned .

He is correct, we dont talk about the money we earned this week.

So if i do see him and he is on a great roll, when it is over i would be
the first to congratulate him.

dicesetter

Quote: superrick

DeMango

I've been on the tables with dicesitter before and so has Petroglyph, why does he have to prove anything to anybody. I could have posted the rolls he had, but then I would have been called a liar by the the so-called best shooter in the whole wide world! When dicesitter does come back out here, I will be going to the tables with him again, him and his wife are great people.

These personal jabs saying that I called him a liar are ridiculous. I posted his data along with the analysis of my software.

Do you know what a p-value is? I didn't for a while.

Basically the p-values say that the chance of him rolling those rolls as he reported are extremely unlikely. That doesn't make him a liar. That makes him a shooter who says that he did something that the math says is unlikely. I have video of me rolling 9 hardways in 10 throws. Something that happens randomly once out of 16 million attempts. I didn't lie about that, and I have video evidence that it really happened.

But the lies that need to stop are these lies saying that I called anyone a liar about his claims. I said that either he's a really good shooter or he's lying. If he's a really good shooter, I definitely would like to meet him and see if he can do such an unlikely performance again.

If those rolls were recorded properly, it was simply very unlikely to happen.

For someone who enjoys keeping people in line with their very unlikely claims (such as MP's RSR claims) I find it interesting that you represent that it is not hard to believe what dicesitter claimed to do on those 180+ rolls.

Both you are he are reported to be "nice people" and nobody doubts that.

But I have no interest in shooting with you or with dicesitter. If dicesitter wanted to come in front of my camera to demonstrate what a great shot he is, though, that would definitely put a lot of doubt to bed.

As far as a desire to meet with you and him and his wife, no interest really on a personal level. You guys have fun, alright?

I think it's more convenient for folks like you guys to stay out from under the cameras. Most of what I would expect if you guys showed up would be described as a bursting of a bubble that is a very comfortable place for you to occupy about your short-term successes. Focus on those short term successes and talk about how the math doesn't matter for ya. That's my advice. P-values? Who need's em! That can be your mantra!

Here's a suggestion for you guys though: claim that your really GOOD shot is so good that it can't be revealed on camera.

Quote: dicesitter

Beating the table is what we all want to do

Sure, when we're in a CASINO.

But when we're on these boards, the target seems to shift to one another.

Frustration and a feeling of impotence against the casinos can do that to a person.

I'm not picking on anyone in particular. But I still live in a world where most of the folks who claim that DI is real and they can do it haven't proven that they can do it on camera for me. They haven't even done anything in particular that's all that impressive.

Some people might say that my rolling hardways was an ex post-facto analysis.

You might want to see this thread here where I specifically stated that back-to-back hardways is what I generally try to do as a measure of success. And that was almost two years before posting the video. In the mean time, playing every day trying to refine my shot to do this.

I roll a lot of hard 8's (when I used the 4242 set) or whatever else happens to be on the top of my set. I have data substantiating this claim. I can't prove that it's anything but randomness that is making it happen, but at least my claims aren't just unsubstantiated or the result of ex post-facto idealization. I've been at this for years.

Quote: MrV

Sure, when we're in a CASINO.

But when we're on these boards, the target seems to shift to one another.

Frustration and a feeling of impotence against the casinos can do that to a person.

A more convenient and cheaper alternative to going to all those meetings.

Quote: Ahigh

I'm not picking on anyone in particular. But I still live in a world where most of the folks who claim that DI is real and they can do it haven't proven that they can do it on camera for me. They haven't even done anything in particular that's all that impressive.

Wow...
You are almost around the corner from the truth...

It's going to hit you pretty hard, but when it does, you will begin to shift your efforts towards betting again, and only then will your overall game improve.

You might not admit it, but even you are starting to accept that even the most skilled shooters are random at best.

it is pretty obvious no one can be nice to Ahigh


here are some examples of him NOT calling me a liar and how ahigh has been so nice since i have been on here

I anxiously await your data, dicesetter. Since you are such a self-proclaimed expert

you are completely full of shit and this is made up data."

This whole thing is just a mess, dude! Math or no math, you got some numbers, alright, but I have zero confidence that these numbers are right. I mean zero!

It just doesn't make sense to me.

This is not a lie detector, just a "this is really far fetched" detector.

So it's just easier for me to say "bullshit" than anything


If those rolls were recorded properly, it was simply very unlikely to happen.


Can you imagine what Ahigh would say if he did not like you and actually wanted to call you a liar.


The posts on this thread i made i tred to stay away from any confrontaion with ahigh and i did. but as you see he just cant stand
it.

oh well.

dicesetter

Quote: TheWolf713

...even the most skilled shooters are random at best.

Um, if all shooters are "random," how then could one in fact be deemed "skilled?"

I think this was a very important post by Ahigh and something all of us should consider.

Quote: Ahigh

I definitely would like to meet him and see if he can do such an unlikely performance again.

If those rolls were recorded properly, it was simply very unlikely to happen.

I can accept that "unlikely performances" have happened. Several unlikely performances have been well documented including the performance of Pat Demauro. See: http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1901663,00.html

But can you possibly expect to see that "unlikely performance" again? Of course not.

I don't doubt that Ahigh threw nine hardways out of ten throws. This stuff happens. Do I expect to meet up with him and have him to do it again? Of course I don't expect him to do it again.

I was at a craps table at Caears Palace where a shooter threw a yo 18 times in a row. As unlikely an occurance as it was, I would never expect to see it again. (By the way I asked if by some chance the tape was still available and it's not. And I went way up the corporate ladder to get access and was told the tape no longer exists.)

If dicesitter had a great roll, I do not doubt he had it. Do I expect him to do it again? No.

I rolled the dice three times in a row using the cross sixes set and the dice came to rest leaning against the back wall showing 5/4. Could I ever expect to do that again? No.

The point is crazy, unbelievable, once in a million things happen. The fact that they happened means nothing about the next time the same shooter will get the dice.

To doubt these things happened is a waste of time, and to expect that these things will be repeated is a waste of your expectations.

Great events should not be any kind of standard for skill or ability in craps. Anyone and everyone should know that crazy things can heppen when you throw two dice, no matter how unlikely those events might be.

I feel these discussions about what happened before and if someone can do it again are just a waste of time.

That 18 yo's in a row bovine feces again, please stop.

Quote: DeMango

That 18 yo's in a row bovine feces again, please stop.

How can I? I was there. I saw it. Were you there to tell me it didn't happen?

Yet, you give a lot of support to someone else on this forum who also makes wild claims?

the bottom line is that wild things happen. It doesn't mean they can happen again. You should shrug your shoulders and move on. That's how I treat all reports: whether it be the report of Pat deMauro, of the report about Ahigh and his hardways, or the report about the Captain.... If it happened, then great. If you can't make it happen again then what does it matter?

A miraculous combination of chance put together the DNA that created Angelina Jolie. When you can also put together the same DNA let me know. Until then I won't be concerned about getting a date with Angelina.

Quote: MrV

Um, if all shooters are "random," how then could one in fact be deemed "skilled?"

Exactly...... Thats my point... Its random

So when the stick man brings the dice back to me and says "same good shooter" he's just been messing with me?

Quote: petroglyph

So when the stick man brings the dice back to me and says "same good shooter" he's just been messing with me?

Even before that.

Quote: petroglyph

So when the stick man brings the dice back to me and says "same good shooter" he's just been messing with me?

LOL.... Yep....

If they are the authorities on who is considered a "good shooter" we're in trouble...

And when the stickman shouts this out, its almost comical to me. Have you ever seen the people who missed a good roll from that shooter jump in a spot of someone who cashed out? they stand over your shoulder saying "he just had a 40 minute roll!! he's good"... Then they immediately throw everything out there as fast as they can in hopes of a repeat performance, and all you hear is "seven out!!!!take the line pay the donts"

Petroglyph



if you are tipping them they mean it, particularly if you have a fire bet
working for them.

If your not tipping them they dont mean it

But the alternative is they are always honest.... ok the dice go back to that same old
dumb ass that has sevened out the past 5 times.


dicesetter

Quote: dicesitter

if you are tipping them they mean it,
If your not tipping them they dont mean it

Add mind reader to your list of many talents. Well done sir!

Quote: dicesitter

it is pretty obvious no one can be nice to Ahigh


here are some examples of him NOT calling me a liar and how ahigh has been so nice since i have been on here

I anxiously await your data, dicesetter. Since you are such a self-proclaimed expert

you are completely full of shit and this is made up data."

This whole thing is just a mess, dude! Math or no math, you got some numbers, alright, but I have zero confidence that these numbers are right. I mean zero!

It just doesn't make sense to me.

This is not a lie detector, just a "this is really far fetched" detector.

So it's just easier for me to say "bullshit" than anything


If those rolls were recorded properly, it was simply very unlikely to happen.


Can you imagine what Ahigh would say if he did not like you and actually wanted to call you a liar.


The posts on this thread i made i tred to stay away from any confrontaion with ahigh and i did. but as you see he just cant stand
it.

oh well.

dicesetter

All great stuff, quoted out of context of course. But I fail to see where I called you a liar. You certainly fail to make accurate representations of anything, including your claims that I have called you a liar. Your posts are just garbage, a lot different from a well-crafted (IE: believable) story that happens to be untrue.

If I had called you a liar, I would hope that you had me believing you until I determined that you had lied. Your stuff claim is worse. It's just garbage.

Quote: Ahigh

This is enough data to demonstrate that these results are not the result of someone randomly shooting the dice.

The p-values reflect that you are the most amazing shooter I have ever received numbers for.

These numbers are absolutely not random!!! Congratulations!

I can't wait to see you shoot results this non-random in the casino. I have never seen numbers like this in my entire life!

The only p-value that looks even believable is the p-value for your RSR. The other p-values basically say something like "you are a shooting GOD" or otherwise "you are completely full of shit and this is made up data."

We'll just assume you are a shooting god for now though. That's AMAZING! You really are the real deal!!! That is at least until we watch you in the casino and write down 200 rolls from the casino and the p-values are all above 0.33.

There are two possibilities for what is "clear" though:

1) YOU ARE A GOD
2) YOU ARE TOTALLY FULL OF #$% (edited as this was on my forum where there are not rules against curse words)

This data is so amazing, it's just unbelievable. Literally.

Quote: TheWolf713

You might not admit it, but even you are starting to accept that even the most skilled shooters are random at best.

What most skilled shooters are you referring to? Dicesitter?

Most lifetime winners I have met (there are very few I've met) are people who don't play much and are smart enough to bet free odds.

I think maybe you've been confused that I have been thinking there are lots of folks who are AP craps players and/or who have convinced me that they are doing it.

If there are any out there, they are very few in number and very unwilling and/or unable to convince me of anything relating to their shooting skill.

Once I see someone with a better delivery than I can get on film, I'll start going down the road of looking at more details: but the verdict is in about the fact that most people who think they are able to do it are not.

ahigh


nice try

but if you read your posts you qualify anything decent you may say with
with your other crap.

But i guess that works, if you ignor all the bad things i say about anyone,
then all i say is good things.


I love it.

dicesetter

Quote: dicesitter

ahigh


nice try

but if you read your posts you qualify anything decent you may say with
with your other crap.

But i guess that works, if you ignor all the bad things i say about anyone,
then all i say is good things.


I love it.

dicesetter

A perfect example of one of your 100% garbage posts.

Why not just write poems? At least they have a chance of having qualities like alliteration or prose. Oh, wait, yeah, we're talking about Dicesitter here.

It's all garbage from you, because that is all you do: write poo.

ahigh



exactly what i just said... you cant stand to be nice


dicesetter

Quote: dicesitter

ahigh



exactly what i just said... you cant stand to be nice


dicesetter

I'm not calling you a liar or any other name. You inferred that incorrectly. You spread the rumor around that I'm calling you a liar.

I just said that either you're lying or you're the greatest shooter to ever hand me data.

We can just stick with the idea that you're the most amazing shooter ever and don't want to give anything away.

I got a group of other guys who are afraid I'm going to give away their winning shot.

Join the club of folks who thinks they have some crown jewels that they need to protect. If you believe that you actually rolled those rolls, MORE POWER TO YA! BET BIG BIG BIG ON IT AND SHOW ME THE PHOTOS OF THE MONEY.



I'm broke! I just lost all this money at the casino this weekend right after filming this, and I didn't win it, I earned it working really hard at my job. So now you can call me a liar if you think I am not telling the truth about any of that. Alright? Then we can be even Stephen. What'dya say?

Ahigh




You get only part of the message, and any one of the good players could go on your show and
wear a mask and no one would know them.

So they are not afraid of that. but the real question is why in the hell would any
one do just for you.

You dont care if it hurt them, you dont care if it hurt other DI's, all you care about is
how it makes you look.

If you can give any decent roller a reason to go on your show, any reason,, maybe they
would...... so what is a reason for anyone to do it ?????


dicesetter

Quote: dicesitter

Ahigh




You get only part of the message, and any one of the good players could go on your show and
wear a mask and no one would know them.

So they are not afraid of that. but the real question is why in the hell would any
one do just for you.

You dont care if it hurt them, you dont care if it hurt other DI's, all you care about is
how it makes you look.

If you can give any decent roller a reason to go on your show, any reason,, maybe they
would...... so what is a reason for anyone to do it ?????


dicesetter

Here is a reason for someone to go on my show: to demonstrate that there's at least one person who's not a total crackpot who knows how to throw a decent shot and isn't afraid to show people that it can be done.

I'm at the point where I just want people to show they can land the dice consistently or have some correlation. Forget the outcomes.

People can't even do THAT!

The reality is that most sane people even if they believed it was possible to have an AP shot they don't want to be lumped in with folks who believe obviously false things with not enough evidence to warrant said belief.

Stated another way: most dice players, with or without a shot, aren't the smartest cookies in general. They're a little bit slow, ya know. This is just in general and is not intended to address the dice players on this forum in any way shape or form. I'm just talking about dice players in general compared to, let's just say, an AP blackjack player who knows how to count cards.

Some of these folks who think they are doing AP on craps are betting one-roll bets!!!

Betting a one-roll bet thinking you're doing AP play, even if you WERE doing AP play, learn a little bit about betting and setting to make more money, please?

It makes everyone who believes AP might be possible look stupid when people say things that equate to "ignore the math."

Quote: Ahigh

I'm not picking on anyone in particular. But I still live in a world where most of the folks who claim that DI is real and they can do it haven't proven that they can do it on camera for me. .

aHigh nobody has to prove anything to you, and for some odd reason you just don't get it. I don't think that there is anybody out there that is a DI that would now step forward and prove it to you, and the world. You pretty much ran off anybody that you thought might be better then you, and I feel sorry for you. You don't know how to take any criticism.

That is why nobody is helping you out, with what ever you want to prove. I would love to have your set up, I would put to good use, by analyzing every shot I made and trying to find what I was doing wrong when I was shooting.

The problem with that statement is that even with the best looking shot you will ever make the dice when they do come to a stop, can and will have a seven out, on those two dice you just threw. I tell everybody that ever ask me about my shooting, that the best looking shot I every threw was a seven out!

Maybe you just don't get what the game of craps is all about, and that is where you are going wrong. Craps is about walking away with more money then you walked into a casino with, it's not about trying to show off, or telling the dealers and anybody else on the tables that they don't know what they are doing. You of all people should know that some people think they know everything about the game and do not want advice from anybody!

Quote: Ahigh

For someone who enjoys keeping people in line with their very unlikely claims (such as MP's RSR claims) I find it interesting that you represent that it is not hard to believe what dicesitter claimed to do on those 180+ rolls.

The reason I have no problem with dicesitter's claim, is I played craps with him, yes I saw him shooting, the same thing goes for petroglyph . He played craps with dicesitter . I never base how I see someone shooting on a craps table, that claims to be a DI. I look at their shooting and make a judgement call, as to how it looks when they are shooting. I know that we all have our bad days at the craps tables, where your best looking shooting, makes nothing but short rolls and PSO's.
That is the one reason I don't go to the tables with a bunch of so-called DI's. If this so-called DI has a good looking shot and I think they are shooting well, but making nothing but short rolls, I chalk it up to them having a bad day at the tables.

Now if you go back and reread where dicesitter rolls came from, maybe you can appreciate the data he sent you. I'm not going to research what he wrote, but from what I remember, those rolls were on his personal table at home. I say all the time what you do at home is going to be a lot better then you do in the casinos. I never write about my rolls at home, I think they are useless in a real casino!
You have no money on the line, nor do you have any distraction, and unless you set up your practice table at home with chips all over it you are just fooling yourself into thinking that you can shoot.

Now getting to your above quote. I write trying to help players out, because I see to many players losing their hard earned money. There is no place on any craps board for a fiction writer, that is writing about the game of craps. Players lose their money because they have a fantasy in their minds about winning when they are playing craps. That fantasy is instilled by our great fiction writers on craps.
The claim of an SRR of 28, was one of the biggest pieces of fiction anybody has ever read on the game of craps. Yet the Madprofessor got away with it for years, defending his claim every time someone questioned him about it on whatever craps board he wrote on. That claim will be out there forever, even after he finally admitted that for all those years, that he made that claim, he didn't know how to calculate his SRR. Now if it wasn't for me and one other person, his claim to fame would have never been brought to light as being wrong. He back peddled his way out of his claim to fame, by saying he didn't know how to calculate his SRR, imagine that the greatest craps shooter the craps playing world has never seen, didn't know how to figure out is SRR, yea right!

Does anybody think that he will edit his book and all his post about his claim of having a SRR of 28. So lets face it everybody that buys that book or reads anything he has ever written about that claim will still be reading his fiction, and it will be out there forever!

...

Sometimes I wonder if I've tuned into a gambling website or "fight club"

Quote: petroglyph

Sometimes I wonder if I've tuned into a gambling website or "fight club"

Nobody talks about "craps club."

LOL. I talk a lot to dealers and there are stories of people winning for a while. But the all come to an end in a few weeks in general.

People get arrogant when they get a bunch of cash. Then they lose! It doesn't even have to be craps!

When people get money, they just can't hold on to it when they got it from gambling, they keep gambling the same exact way they won thinking it's never going to end and they learn the hard way that they got lucky, or else they give it ALL BACK!

The best proof of DI is going to be when someone steps up and says finally that they decided to pay their income taxes on their wins because it's just too difficult lying about their wins when all the crews all over Vegas know that they are winning all the time.

I will tell you though, that if you're a lifetime winner and say "HEY GUYS, I'M UP $500,000 in lifetime winnings from playing craps" .. well, I just don't expect anybody is going to say that is all. I know I wouldn't. I will always be a lifetime loser at this game! ALWAYS!!! It's just a game for me and not a second income. Never has been and never will be.

I just want to prove that it can be done is all.

Quote: Ahigh

Nobody talks about "craps club."

LOL

While I can't agree with your choice of music, I agree that no one has the monopoly on winning... including dicesetter... random events happen and in my 3+ decades in the casino industry, I've seen a lot. Hell I once hit number 26, 6 times in a row on the wheel. It doesn't mean that the players control my brain or that it will ever happen again... But only once upon a time it happened. We have card counters and people marking cards all of the time. But if anyone tells you that they can manipulate calibrated dice, then I say show me... give me statistics and then I might be amazed... just saying

Quote: Ahigh

Here is a reason for someone to go on my show: to demonstrate that there's at least one person who's not a total crackpot who knows how to throw a decent shot and isn't afraid to show people that it can be done.

I'm at the point where I just want people to show they can land the dice consistently or have some correlation. Forget the outcomes.

People can't even do THAT!

The reality is that most sane people even if they believed it was possible to have an AP shot they don't want to be lumped in with folks who believe obviously false things with not enough evidence to warrant said belief.

Stated another way: most dice players, with or without a shot, aren't the smartest cookies in general. They're a little bit slow, ya know. This is just in general and is not intended to address the dice players on this forum in any way shape or form. I'm just talking about dice players in general compared to, let's just say, an AP blackjack player who knows how to count cards.

I truly understand where you are on this...

But the person you are looking for that has spent countless hours shooting has come to the conclusion that you will eventually hit as well...After all of your hard work, you will say... "why in the hell should I show everyone what I can do?"

I think both you and dicesetter make valid points... I don't know why you two don't like each other and if both of you could get pass the second grade banter, we might be able to get some productive work done.

dicesetter -"he called me a liar!!!
ahigh -"no he's LYING, I didnt call him a liar"
LOL c'mon guys lets get back to the constructive posts

TheWolf713

Quote: Ahigh

I'm at the point where I just want people to show they can land the dice consistently or have some correlation.

Ironically I have been asking you to show a video of one such shot that you can throw. But I don't want to see ace-deuce as the result.

Quote: AlanMendelson

Ironically I have been asking you to show a video of one such shot that you can throw. But I don't want to see ace-deuce as the result.

Yeah, wouldn't it be ironic that all this time I'm trying to goad others into showing me their shot, and I have to come to the conclusion that nobody has any better shots of their own?

The more I look at the details of people's shots, the more I come up with "that shot SUCKS!!!"

I just watched this video.



And it appears to my eyes that I can throw better than this chump!

http://listverse.com/2010/01/24/10-gamblers-who-beat-the-casino/

And he's generally known to be one who beat the casinos by reporters (like Mendelson) who cover such stories.

I'm just getting to the point of wondering, "maybe there isn't anyone better out there!"

I mean I play all the time and dealers tell me about folks that they see. I hear about people I know being seen.

But I don't hear about other AP craps players. Just sort of a mythical figure.

I saw a guy doing the golden touch stuff and wow he sucked. I saw him at Gold Coast and at The Orleans. I mean he REALLY sucked.

It's funny watching guy go through the stuff they learn from GTC on you tube, and don't know to bet $6 on the eight.

Pet




I will make this very very clear...... no mistake about where i stand.


As you know i belong to another site, and on that site people are always
putting their decent rolls or nights on. I think that is fantastic, because if
i had a bad night or a few bad weeks, what others did, particularly ones that
I know would help me work harder and not give up.

Dice control is hard and it is much easier to quit than to keep working.

This site is anti Di period..... i dont why that is, are those that cant afraid of
some one that can.... i cant explain it.

It never dawned on me that when anyone else placed their results is was bragging, so
i never thought when i placed mine it was, because all of us get our butts kicked
often, and their are nights when our rolls are bad.

I dont think you can get to be a better player on here.

dicesitter

Quote: dicesitter

Pet




I will make this very very clear...... no mistake about where i stand.


As you know i belong to another site, and on that site people are always
putting their decent rolls or nights on. I think that is fantastic, because if
i had a bad night or a few bad weeks, what others did, particularly ones that
I know would help me work harder and not give up.

Dice control is hard and it is much easier to quit than to keep working.

This site is anti Di period..... i dont why that is, are those that cant afraid of
some one that can.... i cant explain it.

It never dawned on me that when anyone else placed their results is was bragging, so
i never thought when i placed mine it was, because all of us get our butts kicked
often, and their are nights when our rolls are bad.

I dont think you can get to be a better player on here.

dicesitter

BET BIGGER AND SHOW US THE MONEY. Until then, I think Mickey Crimm nailed it.

SOMEBODY HAS TO SHOW THE MONEY!

All I hear is whining.

I may be broke, but I'm not WHINING.

Quote: dicesitter

Pet




I will make this very very clear...... no mistake about where i stand.


As you know i belong to another site, and on that site people are always
putting their decent rolls or nights on. I think that is fantastic, because if
i had a bad night or a few bad weeks, what others did, particularly ones that
I know would help me work harder and not give up.

Dice control is hard and it is much easier to quit than to keep working.

This site is anti Di period..... i dont why that is, are those that cant afraid of
some one that can.... i cant explain it.

It never dawned on me that when anyone else placed their results is was bragging, so
i never thought when i placed mine it was, because all of us get our butts kicked
often, and their are nights when our rolls are bad.

I dont think you can get to be a better player on here.

dicesitter

Not sure if you're responding to me?

Yes, improving a shot on a regular basis is so hard that most people give up either because it can't be done or they can't do it, then I think they become cynical.

When a member posts some rolls, I take it at face value. Those rolls you sent to Ahigh to me did not look that extraordinary, I have no doubt that those were the rolls as you recorded them. I'm not proficient at math either so whatever p-value was indicated by those rolls wasn't out of the realm of variance.

I agree that being on this forum probably won't help anyone shoot better.

Part of my belief is people tend to find what they are looking for. There are things I've learned from hanging out here, just sometimes not what a person is hoping to find. I enjoy most of it, but I don't see the need for anyone to be dis-respectful or rude. There is a great deal of gambling knowledge that hangs around here, not all of them want to be exposed or boastful. It's up to me to carve out any wisdom that might intentionally or unintentionally be given.

Pain has been a pretty good teacher at times. If I could throw using a mirror using 3 hops a skip and a jump and call my number 9 out of 10 times, I wouldn't be posting it here, but that's me. I don't have the need at least publicly to be recognized as a ap craps mechanic. Again, that's how I roll.

You never know. There may even be some grand dice master out there, who prefers anonymity? Especially after all the discourse that's went on here in the last few months on the subject. It's harder than catching snipes to get them to admit anything, if they are out there.

I look forward to playing with you next time. Petroglyph

Quote: Ahigh

I just watched this video.

And it appears to my eyes that I can throw better than this chump!

Still waiting to see YOUR video. Just one.

Quote: Ahigh

And he's generally known to be one who beat the casinos by reporters (like Mendelson) who cover such stories.

I have never covered such stories. Why do you mention me?

Quote: Ahigh

I'm just getting to the point of wondering, "maybe there isn't anyone better out there!"

All we need to see is the video!!

Quote: Ahigh

I mean I play all the time and dealers tell me about folks that they see. I hear about people I know being seen.

But I don't hear about other AP craps players. Just sort of a mythical figure.

I saw a guy doing the golden touch stuff and wow he sucked. I saw him at Gold Coast and at The Orleans. I mean he REALLY sucked.

It's funny watching guy go through the stuff they learn from GTC on you tube, and don't know to bet $6 on the eight.

This is what we call in media management "diversion."
You've been practicing diversionary techniques for a long time now. It's time to cut the mustard. Put up your video.

How about one dealer (1), corroborating your tale of 18 yo's in a row?

Quote: Ahigh

And it appears to my eyes that I can throw better than this chump!...I saw a guy doing the golden touch stuff and wow he
sucked. I saw him at Gold Coast and at The Orleans. I mean he REALLY sucked.

Maybe if you ask Frank really, really nicely, he could contact his former GTC droog and help set up a "Highlander"-type competition at your craps cave.

Dice rolling, swords sparking: zounds!

Quote: DeMango

How about one dealer (1), corroborating your tale of 18 yo's in a row?

James, who started at Caesars when the place opened was the stickman, who twice stopped the action and said "I am obligated to check the dice."

On my last two visits there James was not in the casino. You are welcome to ask him. Having seniority he works day time shifts.

If I do reach him, how would you like him to confirm the story? Do you want a signed document? Do you want a video testimonial? What if he refuses to sign or shoot a video for me? Please be specific about what would constitute the proof you would need.

Okay next time, day time CP, we look up James. Got a last initial?

No last initial. Be sure to say hello to him for me.