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Ahigh
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April 10th, 2013 at 11:52:39 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Alan, don't interject science and the scientific method into the discussion, you'll lose him for sure.

Just keep pummeling him with the "WTF,dude" posts.

They rock.



I have a computer that generates random numbers. At least Alan is contributing. What exactly, besides mockery and sarcasm have you contributed?
Zcore13
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April 10th, 2013 at 11:57:24 AM permalink
I said it last night during your broadcast and I'll say it again. I appreciate what you are doing and your effort. And I am viewing with an open mind. BUT, the show and the slow motion showed without a doubt that there was no control in your shot. Not one shot out of the 200 did I see the dice hit, bounce and rest on the same axis. That is the only way I can think of that control could be showed. 0 for 200. Even when you said it felt good or looked good to you, it wasn't when reviewed by you afterward.

I'd love to see your streak of hard 10's on slow motion. You say that is what you were trying to do. I beleive anyone could have done that in 200 rolls and I believe the slow motion will prove there was absolutely no contol. Please review those and give your opinion.

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Ahigh
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April 10th, 2013 at 12:10:48 PM permalink
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Ahigh/library/_SloMo

I will say this: there's nothing obvious to me of how I could get these hard tens back to back.

Even though I did it as I expected to do it, there's nothing obviously less than random in how it happened to me.
AlanMendelson
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April 10th, 2013 at 12:49:40 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Ahigh/library/_SloMo

I will say this: there's nothing obvious to me of how I could get these hard tens back to back.

Even though I did it as I expected to do it, there's nothing obviously less than random in how it happened to me.



Thanks for making this public, Ahigh. All of your shots are random. There is no control. The only influence you have is that you kept the dice on the table. I have seen real controlled shots -- and you don't have it my friend. God bless you.

Say hello to me the next time you're at Caesars. My invitation for dinner is still open.

Superrick, I look forward to seeing your throws.
MrV
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April 10th, 2013 at 12:59:00 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I have a computer that generates random numbers. At least Alan is contributing. What exactly, besides mockery and sarcasm have you contributed?



I am the fierce light of reality piercing through a blizzard of dice setting BS.

It's a dirty job but somebody has to do it.

FWIW, I shoot craps regularly and enjoy the game immensely: that's why i spend time on these gambling boards.

I've said all along that dice setting is an affectation that does not change the inherent randomness of dice shooting; it seems you agree, at least you recognize that you do not have "the Gift."

Given that admission, i.e. since you recognize that you have no more control over the dice than I do, what exactly is the point of you rolling dem bones every Tuesday and televising it?

Dude, give it up already.
"What, me worry?"
Ahigh
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April 10th, 2013 at 1:17:40 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

I've said all along that dice setting is an affectation that does not change the inherent randomness of dice shooting; it seems you agree, at least you recognize that you do not have "the Gift."

Given that admission, i.e. since you recognize that you have no more control over the dice than I do, what exactly is the point of you rolling dem bones every Tuesday and televising it?

Dude, give it up already.



Interesting response.

First and foremost, if advantage play craps is possible, referring to it as "The Gift" is a derogatory label you have created. Your usage of this term is very abrasive towards anyone who has been able to obtain statistical evidence that they could perform a controlled shot.

Secondly, I do agree and I have stated repeatedly that "dice setting" does not change any randomness. Dice setting is what transforms a biased throw to benefit your bets. Dice setting is useless without a biased throw where you are familiar with exactly what bias you expect to accomplish.

For example, the expected bias I hoped to achieve last night was more hard fours and more hard tens based on similar results I obtained recently with a similar toss.

If I wanted hard 8's and hard 6's instead, I would have used a 3535 set instead of a 4242 set.

If you can't understand that part of the theory from your perspective, you're just making broad sweeping comments that are generally irrelevant to the topics I intended to cover last night.

The appearance of sevens was unfortunate and unlucky. However, it's the appearance of hard fours and hard tens as a ratio of the total rolls that I was specifically interested in. The verbal dialog with the hours of broadcast last night is the evidence of what I was looking for primarily.

In hindsight, I should not have committed to recording those throws for my other purpose of demonstrating a higher RSR.

Nevertheless, I made the mistake of doing this (trying to accomplish two goals at once .. more hard fours and hard tens back to back and simultaneously fewer sevens).

Your conclusions are interesting, and possibly not without merit.

However, making the jump that we see eye to eye is merely hopeful on your part, Mister Vee. For that you would need more good fortune than I had bad fortune to have so many sevens in the latter part of the session last night.
SanchoPanza
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April 10th, 2013 at 1:56:41 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

The expected bias I hoped to achieve last night was more hard fours and more hard tens based on similar results I obtained recently with a similar toss.


What is "the expected bias" that you hope achieve in the next show?
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April 10th, 2013 at 2:05:11 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

Now I will preface this with this is not entirely fair, but I am isolated the moments when I was accomplishing the roll that was bringing out the hard ten.
The whole goal of this session was to get those hard tens to come out one after another like they were in the casino.


Hard4
(roll hit)
9
72
73 >>back to back
116
117 >>back to back
190
at least twice back to back in 200 rolls about a 1 in 101 shot

Hard10
NO Hard 10s in the first 104 rolls
0.053409257 or about 1 in 19
(roll hit)
105
107
108 >>back to back (at least once back to back in 200 rolls about a 1 in 7 shot)
The sequence H10,X,H10,H10 {1,0,1,1} has a probability in 200 rolls of
0.409395%
or about 1 in 244.26
148
167
182
184
188 >> 3 in 7 rolls: 0.000689709 or about 1 in 1450
8 H10s in 200 rolls: 0.087439579
(8 or more 0.194852130) about 1 in 5
Quote: Ahigh

If I wanted hard 8's and hard 6's instead,
I would have used a 3535 set instead of a 4242 set.

Your 4242 set (and earlier 6262 set)
looks like it has done well for the H6 & H8 in the past.

3398 rolls to date in WinCraps shows your hardways for both sets you used
(expected number 94.4)
H4: 99
H10: 100
H6: 107
H8: 112
Total: 418 (40 more than average)
mean: 378
sd: 18.3
418 or more in 3398 rolls: 0.01557 or 1 in 64

I missed last night's show but will have a view later tonight
You showed you used the 4242 set to throw more H4 and H10s in your last 200 roll session.
Does this mean you use a different throw with the same set
to have more H4s and H10s or
is it more about positive thoughts during your throw with the 4242 set?

added:
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http://www.synccreation.com/about-joe
"His students achieve strong altered states of consciousness and energy,
resulting in dramatic physical and psychological healing,
strong influence over dice and slot machines, and many beautiful manifestations in participant's lives at home."

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Zcore13
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April 10th, 2013 at 2:17:34 PM permalink
The fact that you said you were working on hard 4's and hard 10's prior to the show and got more hard 10's than any other hard way is not that hard to do. There are only 6 hardways. You singled out two of the six. That's a 33% chance that you were going to have more of one of the hardways you chose than any other.

I would like you to always try and roll for hard 10's and see how it goes. Always going for hard 10's and ending up always (or most of the time) having more hard 10's would help prove your theory.

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Ahigh
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April 10th, 2013 at 2:44:43 PM permalink
Quote: 7craps

You showed you used the 4242 set to throw more H4 and H10s in your last 200 roll session.
Does this mean you use a different throw with the same set
to have more H4s and H10s or
is it more about positive thoughts during your throw with the 4242 set?



I absolutely use a different throw, or at least variations on the same throw, even when I don't intend to.

But my goal was to throw as similarly as possible to how I was throwing recently that led to these hard tens back-to-back and then my hope was to have video to hopefully show something that wasn't random leading to evidence that a controlled shot was possible.

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