Craps comps in comparison to BJ

So I used to always play strictly blackjack, normally at the 15-25 dollar level. After not doing much at it for quite a while, I've recently played craps a lot more, making $5 passline bets with full 345x odds and making a $5 come bet every roll with full odds. How does this action compare with blackjack play as far as comps are concerned? I have noticed that my comps are a lot better with the craps play, I'm just curious if people would care to guess what my craps action is worth as far as a blackjack equivalent. Thanks.

According to the Wizard's table on comps...
BJ is calculated at about 70 hands per hour at .75% edge.
Craps is rated at about 50 rolls per hour at 1.58% edge.
if you were playing at the same level,
At $10 per wager this would be an expected loss of $5.25 at BJ vs. $7.90 at craps.
So the comp rate is based on an expected loss that is about 50% higher.
You might have been getting rated at a lower loss rate based on your skill at BJ,
And possibly a little higher at craps based on continuous come bets w/odds.

Quote: WongBo

According to the Wizard's table on comps...
BJ is calculated at about 70 hands per hour at .75% edge.
Craps is rated at about 50 rolls per hour at 1.58% edge.
if you were playing at the same level,
At $10 per wager this would be an expected loss of $5.25 at BJ vs. $7.90 at craps.
So the comp rate is based on an expected loss that is about 50% higher.
You might have been getting rated at a lower loss rate based on your skill at BJ,
And possibly a little higher at craps based on continuous come bets w/odds.

Thanks for the analysis WongBo. Seems spot on as it always is from you. I had estimated that my expected loss was about 15 an hour on craps with my betting pattern, however on a recent session I was able to score a $50 food and beverage discretionary comp after losing $400 in about 40 minutes. I've found craps to be very high variance as I have won 700 in an hour, lost that 400 in 40 minutes, and had one 7 hour session in which I ended up 150. It's a lot of fun but the variance is crazy compared to blackjack where I typically buyin for around 500 and can play all day (or night, have enjoyed going in during graveyard shift lately... getting to know some dealers pretty well, getting to shoot more often and getting smoother BJ play without the drunk dudes buying in for 40 bucks on a 15 dollar table all the time).

An exceptionally good or exceptionally dismal performance at the tables will usually grant you a bit of a sweetener on the comp level.

Some places rate odds bets some don't. If you bet hardways for the dealers that money goes to your average bet. If the Floorman is alert you may get rated well. Sometimes floormen are busy. If the Box and his crew think highly of you for any reason, you might get a bit more generously rated as to your average bet than otherwise.

From my personal experience, it varies based on the casino (not even casino groups, as all Caesars properties treat the games differently).

For the most part, I play at the same levels you do, though I only play $5 craps. However, I do the continuous come bets too. At most properties, I find my BJ time is much more valuable in the comps department. I think the .75% rating for BJ is a little bit low, especially on 6 and 8-deck games. I also think the pass line/decision ratio might be a little bit high for some casinos (including those where craps is always busy and people are constantly making center bets).

That being said, if you are tipping the dealers in craps, you do tend to get a more favorable response, since there is a "crew" rating you. I know it's only one person in the end, but I think the influence is a little bit more. When you're tipping a BJ dealer, it's only one person, and bets are decided so much faster that a pit supervisor who might give you a little extra time or up your average bet a little bit may not see it.

Tunica seems to value time on table more than anything else, but mostly in the written comps department. Your points won't change and cash back is still determined on average bet. However, it's not uncommon that after an hour of play at $5 level to be offered a buffet. It just depends on the property and market.

If you're getting better comps from craps, it can only because, once you add the come and place bets, your average bet is higher at craps than BJ.

If the average bet was the same, you'd get almost nothing from craps.

Why? Craps bets take longer to resolve, and requires more employees.

Sigh. It's this kind of logic that explains why penny slots can earn better comps than $10 craps.

Quote: Tiltpoul

It just depends on the property and market.

Yes. For some reason, Tunica seems to be a very competitive market despite its being a somewhat geographically distributed one. It could be the "halo effect" that pushes a craps players average bet up a bit. The game may get a bit hectic but there is always somebody noticing whenever anyone calls out "for the dealers", "all the boys and girls" or "two-way". Box men and Floor persons can affect your average bet even if the Floor Person is the only one punching buttons at the terminal.

I've received comps when I was alone and had lost a lot of money rapidly. Later at the same casino the two of us have played with higher bankrolls and got zip.

This thread title tricked me. I thought it was asking what was better, - comps from craps, or a BJ? I thought that was a silly question, but now I see I was mistaken.