JamieV
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May 12th, 2012 at 8:31:58 PM permalink
I don't think you are going to earn comp points playing your strategy...but if you do, great!
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FleaStiff
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May 13th, 2012 at 12:26:21 AM permalink
Quote: TheShadow747

every $20 bet = 1 penny comp. (odds included so betting come and dont come odds I get max odds comped at 0 house advantage), comps can be redeemed 2 for 1 for reel rewards (slot $), and dont forget mailers and ADT and status.



And Don't Forget .... Pit bosses and Box Men ain't stupid. They know a straddle when they see one. Your money at risk is rather LOW. Its like running four quarters instead of a dollar... the algorithm may count it four times higher but everyone knows it won't be treated that way.
ewjones080
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May 13th, 2012 at 3:19:48 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

If you can tell us how much comps you get for your scheme we can then tell you if you will come out ahead on average, or behind. By the way, I would not be confident that if the pit boss sees you betting this way that your rating will not be as high as you think.



Exactly what I was going to point out. I've had numerous discussions with my box people about this. There's one guy that comes in, bets NOTHING on other shooters, when he gets the dice, it's $5 Pass $5 Don't with up to $3 in the middle for crap, CE, and/or Any Seven. Some box put his action at $3 or $5 when to be fair it should be at least $10.

What I've thought about in the past was take a friend, have him bet Don't while I play Pass on the same shooters. Our bets roughly cancel each other out, we would share in the monetary loss and share in the comp gain. Not really sure if it's worth it though. To point out, you're looking at 1.38% loss on $10 instead of 1.41% loss on just $5. The 12 is killer.
AverageJOE
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May 13th, 2012 at 4:17:00 AM permalink
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I don't know your agenda - but if you search to almost break even and collect comp points - then you could name it advantage play - a long time ago i read a surveillance report about the subject so it does exist and apparently casinos know about it - i think it is almost impossible to detect if you are clever.
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
FleaStiff
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May 13th, 2012 at 5:26:59 AM permalink
Casinos don't really care if you its one person or two people who are putting up the money on a straddle.... its the same to the casino.

Often a man and a wife will check into a room and use different named players club cards while doing a Do/Don't session at the craps table and pretending not to know each other. Each players club card gets credited with "high action" ... each player gets good room comps... and ain't nobody being fooled by it at all. Least of all the BoxMan who says to the Husband "you are a very valuable player, we will send a bottle of champagne up to your room along with one of the House Hookers for you to enjoy" while watching the reaction of the Wife at the table.
odiousgambit
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May 13th, 2012 at 8:25:17 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Casinos don't really care if you its one person or two people who are putting up the money on a straddle.... its the same to the casino.



You are reducing your variance to the variance of how often 12 comes up. The casinos like less variance, as does anyone with the odds on their side.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
PhattyD
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May 13th, 2012 at 8:30:14 AM permalink
I've always thought the best way to get 0% house edge was to get on a table with people that NEVER play odds on their passline bet. Ask kindly to place your 3x4x5x odds behind their bet and play with no house advantage.
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TheShadow747
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May 14th, 2012 at 5:10:17 PM permalink
I am trying to keep details somewhat vague so casinos don't catch on, but trust me they are comping on odds and even when you bet against yourself. There is no boxman or floorperson to worry about. This is electronic craps, so noone to worry about.
Pokeraddict
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May 14th, 2012 at 5:58:01 PM permalink
Quote: TheShadow747

I am trying to keep details somewhat vague so casinos don't catch on, but trust me they are comping on odds and even when you bet against yourself. There is no boxman or floorperson to worry about. This is electronic craps, so noone to worry about.



$20=$.01, so you are getting .05% cash back. 2/3 of the time you are going to get a number you can put odds on. To make it easy, let's say you are flatting $20 on both sides, and getting $40 in odds on both sides. 2/3 of the time you will have $120 in action, for $.06 in comps. The other 1/3 of the time you will have $.02 in comps on your bet. Let's assume math or rolls works out perfectly here:

Your $20 line bet theoretically loses $.282 every time you bet it.
Your $20 Don't loses $.272 every time you bet it.

Every time a bet is resolved you will lose $.554

2/3 of the time you will get points on $80 worth of odds. For simplicity sake, that is odds on $53.33 each roll, plus $40 in line bets.

The house advantage on your idea is .6%, but you are only getting .05% in points. There better be some great discretionary comps, or else you are going to be in for a long and painful grind down. Why not just bet twice as much on one side and hope you win? You are a coin toss really, and you will pay the same vig.

There is a way to make this work if you knew what the theo comp was, and you were getting more than .05%, but this seems like a boring night.
TheShadow747
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May 14th, 2012 at 6:08:11 PM permalink
the "fringe" benefits of this is tiering up to 7 star status at Caesars entertainment and getting all those benefits. Also the mailers you will get with free play and such.

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