Controlled Dice /laughs

So the other day I was at a local casino (up here in the Seattle area) and watched a rhythm/controlled/whatever shooter try to do his thing.

First, he was very rhythmic. Got the dice, set them to the flying-v, grab, swing, toss. On-axis, steady height - everything was perfect. Except for the fact that he was aiming at a specific spot between the pass-line and the board where someone kept moving their odds-bets (I'm fairly sure inadvertantly) and then it struck me: Thta's one variable you can't control for - the odds bets and their placement on the table. What if someone is stacked 10X? What if they move it back 1/4" inch?

This guy had trained himself to hit nearly the excact same spot every time but the odds kept getting in his way! He asked them to move their odds, they did - but if he was off by even 10 degrees over those 5' - problems.

I've always been skeptical of the "control" argument but after watching this happen first-person, I'm now convinced, more than ever, that someone can influnce the way they toss the dice, but how they finally rest, is ultimately pure chance.

~The Hopeful Fool

The obvious answer is to have a bankroll big enough to reserve half of the table. I've seen high-rollers do this when they don't want hands or dealer stacks in the way of the dice, but I've never seen an attempted dice controller who bet enough to warrant it. That alone should tell you something about the effectiveness of attempted dice control.

Question for the dice dealers and floor staff on this forum: if someone guarantees you 10x minimum action on the line (i.e. at least $50 line bets on a $5 table; $100 on a $10 table, etc), will you block off the other half of the table? If not 10x, what amount? Is there a house policy or is it just case-by-case?

Whenever a Craps shooter is throwing the dice towards my direction of the table; instead of making a Pass Line Bet/ Odds that might be in his/her landing spot, I place the point instead. Not sure if it helps but it definitely does not hurt.

It is not uncommon for the DI crowd to station one of their own at each of the back walls so that they can position their bets to benefit the others.

But for the most part, the true "DI crowd" knows to play early in the morning when most tables are empty so they won't run into this "problem." It's one of their "lessons."

And Ive seen them ask players "in their spot" to move their chips a few inches to the left or right.

the most fun I ever had at a craps table was when a big, rich DP player came to my table and he intentionally set up his chips on the DP like the great wall of china, and he used stacks of small chips instead of big chips for his bets. I dont think he did it to foil DIs, I just think he did it because of the superstition that when dice hit chips there will be a seven out.

Well, when I had the dice I aimed directly for his great wall of china. After about four passes -- all from hitting his great wall -- he moved to another table.

Quote: AlanMendelson

the most fun I ever had at a craps table was when a big, rich DP player came to my table and he intentionally set up his chips on the DP like the great wall of china, and he used stacks of small chips instead of big chips for his bets. I dont think he did it to foil DIs, I just think he did it because of the superstition that when dice hit chips there will be a seven out.

Well, when I had the dice I aimed directly for his great wall of china. After about four passes -- all from hitting his great wall -- he moved to another table.

Hehe, "Atilla The Mendelson"?? That's a great story.

Amazingly, I have seen a pit boss give a shooter heat for not hitting the back wall during a long roll, even though the other end of the table was stacked with line, odds, and field bets. The shooter was like, "I'm trying...but there's no place to put it!."