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AlanMendelson
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January 23rd, 2012 at 7:54:24 AM permalink
thanks for taking the time to do that.

but I would like to make this point:

For everyone who has ever practiced throwing dice at home, and trying to influence or control the dice with your practice at home, you are pretty much wasting your time using any kind of home made or privately bought table. Because every actual table in use in a casino is unique and you can never get the same results.

the only thing you can practice at home is your grip and release and throw -- and you can do that with the dice hitting your bed.

Once your perfect grip, release and throw hits a real craps table in a casino, there is nothing else that you can duplicate with your home practice.
AcesAndEights
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January 23rd, 2012 at 1:26:14 PM permalink
Thanks for the recap, very interesting. Good luck and let us know how you do. Do you keep just as detailed reports on your rolls in a casino?
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sam46810
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January 23rd, 2012 at 2:13:31 PM permalink
Thanks for the experiment and most importantly the analysis. I too have a better than 6:1 SRR, but most of the time, I don't win. Having a workable betting strategy is even more important than having a long roll.

I picked up a few pointers from you: Use 5 counts, bet 6 & 8, place bet inside if only I hit an inside number, come bet after the comeout roll, not always place odds at the pt., bet the "signature" number.

Good luck at Vegas. My suggestion is to find a very low min. table, bet only the min. on Pass Line, and just practice until you get the confidence.
YoDiceRoll11
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January 23rd, 2012 at 2:23:19 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson



For everyone who has ever practiced throwing dice at home, and trying to influence or control the dice with your practice at home, you are pretty much wasting your time using any kind of home made or privately bought table. Because every actual table in use in a casino is unique and you can never get the same results.


Once your perfect grip, release and throw hits a real craps table in a casino, there is nothing else that you can duplicate with your home practice.



I disagree. You can make one or two stations that simulate different tables at your local casinos. This isn't that hard. Than you have at least a feel for them, and in most cases a distinct advantage. It depends on how you practice.

It isn't that hard to re-create a casino table.
YoDiceRoll11
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January 23rd, 2012 at 2:23:20 PM permalink
Edit: Double post, ignore. WTF
YoDiceRoll11
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January 23rd, 2012 at 2:24:14 PM permalink
Quote: sam46810

Thanks for the experiment and most importantly the analysis. I too have a better than 6:1 SRR, but most of the time, I don't win. Having a workable betting strategy is even more important than having a long roll.

I picked up a few pointers from you: Use 5 counts, bet 6 & 8, place bet inside if only I hit an inside number, come bet after the comeout roll, not always place odds at the pt., bet the "signature" number.

Good luck at Vegas. My suggestion is to find a very low min. table, bet only the min. on Pass Line, and just practice until you get the confidence.



Bam, best advice you could use is right up here ^
fulkgl
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January 24th, 2012 at 2:55:38 PM permalink
I have thought about conducting a similar experiment, but because of job changes I haven't had time.

First, I'd try to quantify if you have control, and how much control. I would toss the dice 1000 (10k would be better) times. Have the dice in the same set (6's on top, 3/4 on the ends, 2/5 front/back). Don't bother with the number of sevens, or the resulting roll. Every roll is counted in one of 3 tallies. No throwing a roll out. If the dice go off the table, are not a legal roll, or touch the sides of the landing table; they go into tally number 1. If you want even more reality, add some chips on the side or front edge of the landing table. If the dice touch any of the chips, they also go into tally number 1. Tally number 2 is any controlled, legal roll with a 3 or 4 showing on top. Tally number 3 is any controlled, legal roll with no 3 or 4 showing on top.

The reason you don't throw any results out is it unfairly alters your results. If you were at a real casino table and you toss the dice and they land on someone's chips, or bounce to the side of the table, or hit the back wall so hard that they bounce way up the table (off the landing practice table); then these are real rolls that would count. They would be random rolls without any real control, but they still count. So you want to know what percentage of the time you can make a legal toss and have it land with the possibility of control. The ratio of the tally 2 to tally 3 will tell you how often you can keep them "on edge". That is, how often you can keep the side edge from showing. 20 of the 36 rolls will have a 3 or 4 side showing. So a random roll should have a 5 to 4 ratio between tally 2 and 3.

Personally, I think you will be surprised by how big a number is in tally number 1.
konceptum
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January 24th, 2012 at 4:45:35 PM permalink
It's pretty easy in Laughlin, especially during week days very late at night, to find craps tables that are barren of other players. I'm surprised nobody has utilized this "perfect" scenario to try their dice controlling experiments.
MathExtremist
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January 24th, 2012 at 5:42:18 PM permalink
That would involve either driving or flying to Laughlin and staking real money. The combined cost of that would be, from all accounts, greater than the potential profits from anyone who's been posting details about their travails with dice setting. In other words, if anyone out there actually can influence the dice, they're not posting here about it.
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YoDiceRoll11
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January 24th, 2012 at 5:48:24 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

In other words, if anyone out there actually can influence the dice, they're not posting here about it.

shhh ;)

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