dihaig
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January 15th, 2012 at 2:37:18 PM permalink
At a \$5 table can you bet \$6 on the pass line or do the bets have to be in \$5 units. If you can bet \$6, would the dealers think the bet would be \$5 for the player and \$1 for them? How would you handle that?
eagledice
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January 15th, 2012 at 2:55:21 PM permalink
Quote: dihaig

At a \$5 table can you bet \$6 on the pass line or do the bets have to be in \$5 units. If you can bet \$6, would the dealers think the bet would be \$5 for the player and \$1 for them? How would you handle that?

Dihag

If you placed \$6 on the pass line then thats your money. If you are making a \$1 dealer bet, its placed right next to your \$5 bet on the passline. Then its for the dealers.

That does usually give you good service from the crew. What some players do is place a \$6 line bet and then when the point is made or a comeout 7 or 11, they toke the dealers the \$1, buts its strictly opional by the player. A \$1 line bet is definately for the dealers. Also, when its placed for the dealers they always announce it, which indirectly encourages the other table players "join the toke club".

Experience tells me that that \$1 dealer bet that I make whenever I am tossing the dice goes a long way during a session.

Eagledice
AZDuffman
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January 15th, 2012 at 3:23:58 PM permalink
Quote: dihaig

At a \$5 table can you bet \$6 on the pass line or do the bets have to be in \$5 units. If you can bet \$6, would the dealers think the bet would be \$5 for the player and \$1 for them? How would you handle that?

Players put up "barber pole" bets all the time. Dealers will not think it is for them until you toss one to them, unless as stated above that you put their bet beside yours. If you are toking put the bet beside yours. Besides all the good karma mentioned above it establishes you as a person who at least looks as if they know what they are doing.

If you are making a center-bet for the boys announce "two way" when you throw the bet. This divides the bet in half, one for you one for them. If you are tossing in a mixed amount say for example, "\$6 hard eight, five for me one for the boys." There are varriations here but clear communication will take care of things.
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dihaig
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January 15th, 2012 at 3:35:10 PM permalink
Thanks for the answers. Very helpful.
AlanMendelson
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January 15th, 2012 at 3:38:01 PM permalink
You could announce that the dollar on top of your passline bet is for the boys and this way that dollar will be included in your rating. Some casinos might not count the bet to the side of your pass line bet as part of your action.

Same thing when you bet the numbers for the dealers. If there is any question on creditng the bet to you for comps, then be sure the "dealers bet" is placed on top of your stack.

Youll have to ask the boxman or floorman about how they rate you for the dealer bets to decide how the bets should be positioned at the table.
SaTx247
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January 15th, 2012 at 3:42:53 PM permalink
When I make a pass line bet for the dealers I put it on top of my own bet and say "The dealers are on top." For example if I'm betting ten dollars for myself and two dollars for the dealers, the two red chips go on the bottom and I place the two one dollar chips slightly offset on top. If the bet wins, the dealers take their winnings but the bet is still up for the next come out. If multiple passes are made the dealers keep winning but I'm only out the cost of one bet when it eventually loses.
Avczilla
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January 25th, 2012 at 9:14:17 AM permalink
When you place the dealer pass line bet beside your own bet, do you also place an odds bet for them? Do you make their odds bet in the same proportion that you make your own odds bet? For example, if you are taking 5x odds, do you also make a bet for the dealer for 5x, or just 1x, or no odds at all?
MathExtremist
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January 25th, 2012 at 9:26:45 AM permalink
I usually toke the dealers with odds next to my own. Ask the box or pit boss, but often a casino will let you go 10% over maximum as a toke. So at a \$5 3/4/5x table, you can put an extra \$1 next to your \$15 in odds on 4/10 for the dealers, \$2 on the 5/6/8/9 (though 6/8 will get short paid). I tend to toke odds on 4s and 10s. At tables with half-dollars or quarters, you can do \$1.50 on 4/10 and \$2.50 on 6/8 for correct payouts. If you're betting at a \$10 table or higher, fractional dollars tokes aren't a problem - with the 10% rule you can go up to \$3/\$4/\$5. But ask first what the policy is.
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January 25th, 2012 at 9:37:05 AM permalink
Quote: Avczilla

When you place the dealer pass line bet beside your own bet, do you also place an odds bet for them? Do you make their odds bet in the same proportion that you make your own odds bet? For example, if you are taking 5x odds, do you also make a bet for the dealer for 5x, or just 1x, or no odds at all?

no way I give them free odds routinely. The Wizard himself has expressed concern that this would be expected, but it has been no problem for me. If any dealer was to suggest it was in order, I would give out a big "whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?" with a big smile on my face. If any persistence got irritating, I would start tossing one dollar tip bets on 'any 7' or something else in the middle that no doubt they also had been pushing, instead of putting it on the line. If it had been on "the don't", the dollar goes to the middle of the table immediately. If it really gets ugly you have to leave the table before any mis-pays occur.
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January 25th, 2012 at 9:56:14 AM permalink
There is neither an obligation or even an expectation to give the toke bet full odds. There IS an expectation to give the toke bet at least 1x odds.

If you're particularly budget minded, make the toke bet (and odds) stating "Player control." When the bet wins, the dealer will only take the winnings, and the bet stays up.
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