Craps: Pass or Don't Pass "System"

I need suggestions on a fun way to decide if I am going to bet with or against the next shooter in craps. My plan is to bounce around the pass/don't pass with a "system" known only to me and see how I do.

Anything to drive the dealers crazy.
Seriously, there is such a slight difference between Do and Don't (and that difference is affected by a higher bankroll requirement) that tossing a coin openly is about as sensible a system as going by the number of drinks on the waitresses tray. Or perhaps go by the stickman's patter... switch from Come to DontCome based upon some thing in his spiel.

Yes, I thought about a coin flip. Or base it upon if the next shooter is ugly or not. Just wanted to get some creative ideas and try it out as a "system". If it works, I might try to sell it to,others for $10,000!

What are the some of the myths on whether someone is lucky or not? First time female shooters are said to be lucky while first time males are not. What else?

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What are the some of the myths on whether someone is lucky or not?

If I'm at the table betting pass/come, then the shooter is probably terrible.

Seems like there is going to be one lucky guy or gal at the table, everybody else will suck as shooter. Figure out who it is and bet right with him, darkside for all else.

btw the reason the above statement cannot be supported statistically [that one person who was lucky will continue to be lucky] is because there is an invisibile Gremlin in charge. Once it spots someone taking statistics everything becomes random again [g]

Well, since I almost always play PL with 10X odds, AND since I have been getting mostly killed for the past year, you can deduce that not too many points are being made.
Therefore, the only system that the casino would fear would be the one to bet DP on the first roll of the shooter. If the shooter proves to you they know what they are doing by making the first point, then follow the hot hand, and bet the PL w/ full odds. If the shooter is setting the dice then they are obviously a pro, and are going to make you lots of money. However, you still need to bet DP on their first roll each time, just to make sure they have their A game. But once the setter makes point one, it is best to double your PL bet and take full odds. If you are truly a gambler of course, you will continue to double your PL bet after each point is made. Using this strategy, and a cold table, save for one dice setter who makes 4 points, this system should easily net you $7,000-$10,000. And the beauty is, you're not really gambling. You are using your mind to recognize the dice setting pro, and then taking advantage of the situation. You must remain alert though. If the stick or box catch on to the dice setter, they will try and get into his/her head. You must watch closely, and if you see that about to happen, you will want to reduce your bet, to minimize your risk.

I myself would use this system, but I don't want to fill out all paperwork required when you win large sums of money at the casino.

Quote: RaleighCraps

Well, since I almost always play PL with 10X odds, AND since I have been getting mostly killed for the past year, you can deduce that not too many points are being made.
Therefore, the only system that the casino would fear would be the one to bet DP on the first roll of the shooter. If the shooter proves to you they know what they are doing by making the first point, then follow the hot hand, and bet the PL w/ full odds. If the shooter is setting the dice then they are obviously a pro, and are going to make you lots of money. However, you still need to bet DP on their first roll each time, just to make sure they have their A game. But once the setter makes point one, it is best to double your PL bet and take full odds. If you are truly a gambler of course, you will continue to double your PL bet after each point is made. Using this strategy, and a cold table, save for one dice setter who makes 4 points, this system should easily net you $7,000-$10,000. And the beauty is, you're not really gambling. You are using your mind to recognize the dice setting pro, and then taking advantage of the situation. You must remain alert though. If the stick or box catch on to the dice setter, they will try and get into his/her head. You must watch closely, and if you see that about to happen, you will want to reduce your bet, to minimize your risk.

I myself would use this system, but I don't want to fill out all paperwork required when you win large sums of money at the casino.

I seldom reply just to say "good one" but I have to admit I got a good chuckle out that!

PS: do you really only do 10X odds?

I often switch to the Dark Side if the shooter is loud and obnoxious or has been in any way unpleasant before the dice came to him.

I usually will go join the Right Bettors if a sweet young thing is shooting irrespective of her level of experience.

While I'll go the dark side if its an obnoxious drunk about to shoot, I'll stay on the pass line if its just a drunk who has not been obnoxious.

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If the shooter proves to you they know what they are doing by making the first point, then follow the hot hand, and bet the PL w/ full odds.

If that's your plan, you'll probably end up at a table where everyone makes one, and only one, pass.

No matter what method you use, or what pattern you seek, history does not predict the future.

How about betting against neither the point nor the 7 - and have them BOTH working for you.....and instead, bet against the 4? (or the 10?)

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No matter what method you use, or what pattern you seek, history does not predict the future.

DJ: Did you perhaps miss RaleighCraps's sarcasm/facetiousness? The stuff that made odiousgambit chuckle?

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If that's your plan, you'll probably end up at a table where everyone makes one, and only one, pass.

No matter what method you use, or what pattern you seek, history does not predict the future.

I can see you don't know about the Gremlin-in-charge.

What I usually do is look at the players for a while to see if the table is hot or at least warm. If so, then I bet the bright side (Pass); otherwise, I go on the dark side (Don't Pass). Having said this, things can change quickly. I've lost money by incorrectly guessing that the table was warm and then switched to the dark side and then lost again. This has happened many times - both ways. History does not predict the future. So, if the table doesn't go your way, treat it the same as a hot blackjack dealer - get out and cut your losses short.

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How about betting against neither the point nor the 7 - and have them BOTH working for you.....and instead, bet against the 4? (or the 10?)

Actually, I think Ericayne may be on to something. IT's BRILLIANT.

There is NO WAY seven 4's can possibly roll before a 7 comes out. Therefore, it is time to call on our ole buddy Mr. Gale, Martin , who we know let's us down most of the time, but only because we were not using him in the right way.

Lay the 4 or the 10, and sit back and collect. Better grab 2 spots at the rail for your chip overflow. All those come out 7s are going to be a bonanza for your Lay 4, which is working on the come out roll. And if lady luck takes down your Lay 4 with a point, fear not. No one every makes the damn 4 for a point (If you don't believe me, start a poll). So have no fear to re-Lay the 4 for twice as much. At this point, if the impossible happens, and the shooter makes the 4 point, no worries. Even if the shooter makes the point, you can still double up your bet. And there is NO WAY a shooter will make the 4 point two times in a row! But if they do, there is NO WAY they could make it 3x in a row. See how fool proof this system is? With a 7 coming out every 6 rolls, you can't lose. I press my 4 bets, 25-50-100-200, and I have never gotten higher than 200, so four 4s is the most I have ever seen. Why have I never thought of this before?

PS. Your only gamble with this system is deciding whether to bet the 4 or the 10. Unfortunately there is no sure way of knowing. However, you have a 50-50 chance, with ZERO HE on this gamble of picking the 4 or 10, so it still makes it a good bet.

Now you may say this is kind of boring. However, you will be winning on average, every 8.6 rolls, and winning is not boring. Also, there will be the occasion where three 4s have come out, so assuming you start with a $51 lay (stupid vig), you would have gone to $102, and then to $205, and now you would be at $410. that should be high enough to kick start your adrenaline. Of course, if that doesn't quite do it, you can think about the next bet at $820. Of course, UARS would fall from the sky before you would ever need to Lay that much................

(I realize this is not a true Mr. Gale, but there is no need to get all of your money back on this one roll. You will be winning so much the rest of the time that you will get it back anyway.)

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I seldom reply just to say "good one" but I have to admit I got a good chuckle out that!

PS: do you really only do 10X odds?

I may have fractured a truth or two a bit with my system write-up ;-)

I try to as much as possible. 10 / 100. If I am getting beat up, I eventually will fall to 5x, and then 3x, but never below that amount. I figure if I can't afford 3x odds, then I shouldn't be PL/Come betting, or actually I shouldn't even be on the craps table any longer, since I obviously don't have enough bankroll to play, and will most likely bust out soon anyway.

Here's my system: I prefer to play dark side, but will only play it at a table that is empty or has all the player playing the dark side. Otherwise, I will play pass line/come exclusively. I don't switch mid-session.

I like the no 4/10, and occasionally the dip into no 5/9. At $41 and $31 not too shabby. I prefer being the opportunist at Craps. Cold shooter- bet against: hot shooter, bet with. JMHO

N&B

How about this:
-- Observe where the shooter places their line bet. If it is closer to the inside line, bet "Don't" since they obviously are pushing their chips into the dealer stack, and don't want them. If the shooter's line bet is closer to the outside line, bet "Pass" since they want the chips to be as close to them as possible, and will try harder to make their point.

As for superstitions...
-- Older women are good shooters. Young men are not.
-- When the dice go off the table, the next roll will be a seven.
-- When a chip refill comes in, the next roll will be a seven.
-- Horn numbers tend to repeat.
-- Yelling out a number, encourages it to appear.