Recent trip to Vegas Pet Peeves

During my trip to Vegas this week, I found my self losing patience with with 2 specific pet peeves at the Craps table. The first is when there is a good roll going, somebody always walks up to the table and throws cash down which stops the game while the dealer counts the money, gives the guy or gal their chips so they can make one bet and then the seven shows up. There should be a rule or at least table etiquette that says no new players until the point hits or seven is rolled. The second is waiting for the guy that has to set the dice every roll and ends up not rolling the same number twice and or sevening out in the first three rolls. Any one else have the same or other pet peeves at the table that just make you want to scream?????

Sorry I did not realize that a thread like this exists in the Gripes section

I agree with you on the buy in mid roll. But I think it is OK after the point has been hit and the same shooter is on the come out. A new player shouldn't have to sit out for a 30 minute roll until the current shooter sevens out.

As far as dice setting goes, I don't mind that. Let the shooter do what he/she wants provided the dice aren't in their hands for more than about 5-7secs. It doesn't take that long to "set the dice" if you are paying attention when they push the cubes to you.

IMO, a shooter has waited his/her turn for the dice to pass along to them, they ought to be able to employ any superstition they want as long as the dice are thrown by the 7 second mark. The results of these superstitions are irrelevant as we all know they don't really work.

There can definitely be an annoyance factor to having unexpected interruptions. The other day I had been playing a dollar VP machine and hadn't hit much for awhile. Right when 3 Aces came up on the deal a guy (who I barely know) tapped me on the shoulder to say hi.

Of course, it shouldn't make a difference on the draw, but it knocked me out of rhythm, and when the 4th Ace didn't come up, I was even more annoyed.

One time, I had a waitress come up behind me and comment on the 4 to Royal Flush I was about to draw on. This also rankled me for some reason. (and of course, the Royal didn't materialize either, so it just made me feel irrationally bitter. I think she said, "hope you get it" or something too.)

Annoyances, yes. Affect your odds, no. Perhaps an excellent dice influencer (very rare and very few and far between) can become rattled or disturbed by money on the table, etc, but beyond that, a stick change, chips on the table, money in, arguments, bartenders, the word "seven", a don't better, etc, cannot alter the roll. It's just dumb luck. Us crappers just try to find that excuse (read, believed superstition) for the seven out besides the inevitable truth: 1 in 6. Even though I know in my heart that it's random, it's fun to suspend belief for awhile and blame something else. We don't remember the times when the stick change resulted in a winner. Really, the game lends itself to that because the 7 comes out more often than any other number and therefore it's easy to attribute superstitious beliefs to something because the 7 does actually appear more often than anything else.

As for the peeve of money in during the middle of the roll, you should wait until the dice just get in the center and the table is busy before you come in mid-point. And only put in the money you intend to spend. That makes the placement of the chips quick and the dealer can hold your change in your hand at any time. If you're known at a casino, usually, you just have to call your bet and show them the money.

Dice setting is fine. You don't want alot of rolls per hour anyway.

I usually wait until the point or seven-out before I buy in. No rush to lose my money, and it's good etiquette. Dice-setters don't bother me. In fact, I like how they slow down the game.

This is the same as people who jump in to a blackjack game mid-shoe without getting the blessing of the other players. It doesn't affect the outcome, it just shows bad manners.

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My pet peeve are the radio ads for Half-Price Lawyers.

I have had their jingle (which is just their phone number) going around in my head for several days now.

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This is the same as people who jump in to a blackjack game mid-shoe without getting the blessing of the other players. It doesn't affect the outcome, it just shows bad manners.

Just ignore it like I do or split 10's when they have a big bet up like my non-counting friend does.

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My pet peeve are the radio ads for Half-Price Lawyers.

I have had their jingle (which is just their phone number) going around in my head for several days now.

Did you hear "MEET ME AT THE TUSCANY?"

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Us crappers just try to find that excuse (read, believed superstition) for the seven out besides the inevitable truth: 1 in 6. Even though I know in my heart that it's random, it's fun to suspend belief for awhile and blame something else. We don't remember the times when the stick change resulted in a winner. Really, the game lends itself to that because the 7 comes out more often than any other number and therefore it's easy to attribute superstitious beliefs to something because the 7 does actually appear more often than anything else.....

Excellent comment and I agree.

The reason we have all of these superstitions is not because we logically believe in them, but rather it adds some fun to the game to believe in them. An entire table grumbling at the guy who hits the dice and causes a 7-out is much more fun than the logical alternative of realizing he had no effect at all. In a negative EV game, we are paying for entertainment. So, why not get a little more entertainment out of the process by mixing in some superstitions to blame, credit, love and hate!

With that said some superstitions border with stupidity, in which case they do not add to the game. A guy badgering a shooter every step of the way because of some misguided superstition does not add anything to the game and creates an uncomfortable environment. There is a line in which superstitions move past harmless fun.

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when there is a good roll going, somebody always walks up to the table and throws cash down which stops the game while the dealer counts the money, gives the guy or gal their chips so they can make one bet and then the seven shows up. There should be a rule or at least table etiquette that says no new players until the point hits or seven is rolled.

If you think that's annoying now, wait till you see what Caesars Entertainment has done by getting rid of boxmen. Cashing in, coloring out and refills, among other activities, just stop all the action in its tracks. In some ways, it's similar to what occurred when ice hockey and television discovered each other. Ice hockey used to bray and brag about its being "the fastest sport in the world." Now they can't explain those ridiculous "time outs," just like pro football.

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If you think that's annoying now, wait till you see what Caesars Entertainment has done by getting rid of boxmen. Cashing in, coloring out and refills, among other activities, just stop all the action in its tracks. In some ways, it's similar to what occurred when ice hockey and television discovered each other. Ice hockey used to bray and brag about its being "the fastest sport in the world." Now they can't explain those ridiculous "time outs," just like pro football.

TV time outs... screw. that. noise. In any sport. Especially in Minor league Hockey where the "TV" is about 3 people watching on the internets.

Course he who pays the piper....

We have an AHL team in town, and they take breaks at 6:00, 10:00 and 14:00 minute marks, just like the NHL. I think it's so the nine people listening on their car radios have time to pull over and pee.

If it were all that rude, the crew would discourage the practice but casinos never seem to discourage money being brought to the table, only being taken away.
I've never seen a sign saying No Mid Roll Buy Ins.

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We have an AHL team in town, and they take breaks at 6:00, 10:00 and 14:00 minute marks, just like the NHL. I think it's so the nine people listening on their car radios have time to pull over and pee.

Our ex-Golden league baseball team were unwatchable for the amount of time they took between inning's... it's not like there isn't plenty of waiting around in a game when it's actually being played.

The ECHL team (also now departed) had the TV time outs twice per period as I recall, but at least that gave time to nip to the bar.

A decent dice setter wiil set the dice very quickly and will cause no delay. It is usually someone who does not understand the correlation between the faces set and a controlled throw of the dice who will take the time to set the to set them and the whip them down the table. It does usually take them lomger because they cannot find the faces they want. As for the seven coming out lets face it it is a random game and we have all done the point seven out. When I walk up to a table I will wait if the there is good roll going. If I want in I will throw money down whe the dice are in the middle and ask for a something simple like a 6 and 8. The dealers will just put your bet up and give you your change later this way you have action but have not impeded a roll. What peeves me the most are late bets. Those people should be taken out back and whooped with a hickory switch. My last trip my budddy had a great roll going and so this guy puts his hand out to bet while the dice were in the air and one hit his hand. Of course the seven showed. I thought Danny was going to kill this guy he called him names that I have never heard of before. When the pit stepped in to calm him down he told him to go F himself as well. Our night ended shortly after that. The dumb ass who caused the whole thing scooped up his chips and got the hell out of there. Who knows if the seven would have shown anyway. We craps players are a superstitious lot. Late bettors are the worst and they are usually the ones throwing bets down before they should like when the dealer is paying everyone off and they are screaming their next bet to him. I would rather have a slow considerate player then someone with no clue ,funny they are usually drunk too and they are the ones who slow ther game down the most.

And it seems like they're consistently late. They do it every roll, which is a PITA.

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And it seems like they're consistently late. They do it every roll, which is a PITA.

THAT is the crew's fault. No one will blame a neophyte but that doesn't mean the crew should remain silent. A weak roll may merit a simple comment, a hand in the way merits a bit of a stronger comment, but the dealer should wake up and say something to these guys who want to do practice rolls or the like. I pick 'em up and I throw them trying to hit the backboard. I don't aim for the stick man I don't aim for the cocktail waitress, I don't aim for the nearby slot machine. We know what to do, we do it. Those who want to annoy everyone else with some favorite fancy moves should be told to pick up the pace and be serious about it.