Some stats for the Make EM All bonus bet

I get some interesting stats for you guys for the bonus bet.

I practiced and rolled 316 times to make the bonus

I failed to make the bonus within 271 rolls of dice

@ the 44th trial (316 rolls of dice)
I made the bonus @practice
The bonus would be $875 ($175 x$5)

@casino
I would pay $215 to shoot 43 times (in casino linko: reset and reload 43 times @$5 each time)

I would get paid $875 ($175 x$5) and make $660 profit ($875-215)

See the details in the link for my excel spreadsheet
Click here to see my Excel spreadsheet

When simulating this kind of a bet, a hand should end when a 7 is rolled or the goal is achieved, not both.

In trial #44 it appears you hit all numbers including the 7. That doesn't show me that you won the bet.

Quote: AutomaticMonkey

When simulating this kind of a bet, a hand should end when a 7 is rolled or the goal is achieved, not both.

In trial #44 it appears you hit all numbers including the 7. That doesn't show me that you won the bet.
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You're right.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Now I've made a footnote on the Excel: " Note: *7 popped up after I made the bonus"

Click here to see my Excel spreadsheet

Quote: AutomaticMonkey

When simulating this kind of a bet, a hand should end when a 7 is rolled or the goal is achieved, not both.

In trial #44 it appears you hit all numbers including the 7. That doesn't show me that you won the bet.
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I for one am assuming that, in this instance, every trial continues until a 7 is rolled, and then the numbers are checked to see if every one of the 11 results came up at least once. The only "problem" would be, the total number of rolls would be higher than what would actually happen.

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Quote: AutomaticMonkey

When simulating this kind of a bet, a hand should end when a 7 is rolled or the goal is achieved, not both.

In trial #44 it appears you hit all numbers including the 7. That doesn't show me that you won the bet.
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I for one am assuming that, in this instance, every trial continues until a 7 is rolled, and then the numbers are checked to see if every one of the 11 results came up at least once. The only "problem" would be, the total number of rolls would be higher than what would actually happen.
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You are correct.

I've overstated the rolls by 1

@roll#316
The 7 popped up.

I've programed to end the recording @ that trial#44th
whenever the 7 pops up.

The new trial#45th began after that ending.

See the revised info below

Quote: Armagedden

Quote: ThatDonGuy

Quote: AutomaticMonkey

When simulating this kind of a bet, a hand should end when a 7 is rolled or the goal is achieved, not both.

In trial #44 it appears you hit all numbers including the 7. That doesn't show me that you won the bet.
link to original post

I for one am assuming that, in this instance, every trial continues until a 7 is rolled, and then the numbers are checked to see if every one of the 11 results came up at least once. The only "problem" would be, the total number of rolls would be higher than what would actually happen.
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You are correct.

I've overstated the rolls by 1

@roll#316
The 7 popped up.
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Was the 315th roll a 2? If not, then you already had all 10 of the non-7 numbers after 314 rolls, so the length of that trial is less than 315.

Also remember that you have to report an additional trial, that started with the roll after the last roll of the winning one, and ended with the 7 that you reported as roll #316 of the winning trial.

Not that it really matters, but some casinos let you remake the bet after the bet is won, so it wouldn’t stop only when a 7 is hit.

Also most casinos only pay 150:1 these days.

@ThatDonGuy,

Roll#307 was a 12 which made the bonus.
Roll#316 was a 7 which ended the trial#44.

My program automatically resets and restarts @trial#45 in the next column.

See the spreadsheet for details
Click here to see my Excel spreadsheet

So I rolled 307 times exactly to make the bonus, not 315 nor 316 as prevously stated.

Thanks for encouraging me to look back @ the details to get the correct info

From Reddit:
Numbers From Wizard of Odds

Small/Tall if pays 34 to 1 has 7.76% house edge, if it pays 30 to 1 has an 18.30% house edge

Make em All if it pays 175 to 1 has 7.47% house edge, and 150 to 1 has 20.61% house edge
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I'm trying to figure out if the ATS bets lose on come-out 7's. I think they do. So that messes up shooters who use every come-out opportunity to roll 7-11's and then don't because they don't want to lose their Come bets or the ATS bets.
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From Reddit:
If you bet the same on the pass line as you do on ATS, the come-out 7 doesn't hurt. You just use the winnings from the pass line to repay the ATS. Sure you are technically down, as those would be in your pile otherwise, but I view it as a neutral roll. It's basically as if the roll never happened.

Point seven, though, hurts.

@ChampChange

Here are more interesting stats

I had rolled 579 more times in between 2 bonuses

Look at roll#10 thru roll#33 for the bonus-numbers in red.

then look at roll#612 thru roll#648 for the other bonus-numbers in red


Click here to see the details in Excel

@ChampChange

Here are more interesting stats

I had rolled 579 more times in between 2 bonuses

Look at roll#10 thru roll#33 for the bonus-numbers in red.

then look at roll#612 thru roll#648 for the other bonus-numbers in red


Click here to see the details in Excel