Some stats for the Make EM All bonus bet
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June 2nd, 2025 at 12:12:44 PM
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I get some interesting stats for you guys for the bonus bet.
I practiced and rolled 316 times to make the bonus
I failed to make the bonus within 271 rolls of dice
@ the 44th trial (316 rolls of dice)
I made the bonus @practice
The bonus would be $875 ($175 x$5)
@casino
I would pay $215 to shoot 43 times (in casino linko: reset and reload 43 times @$5 each time)
I would get paid $875 ($175 x$5) and make $660 profit ($875-215)
See the details in the link for my excel spreadsheet
Click here to see my Excel spreadsheet
Last edited by: Armagedden on Jun 2, 2025
June 2nd, 2025 at 12:58:09 PM
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When simulating this kind of a bet, a hand should end when a 7 is rolled or the goal is achieved, not both.
In trial #44 it appears you hit all numbers including the 7. That doesn't show me that you won the bet.
In trial #44 it appears you hit all numbers including the 7. That doesn't show me that you won the bet.
June 2nd, 2025 at 1:22:18 PM
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Quote: AutomaticMonkeyWhen simulating this kind of a bet, a hand should end when a 7 is rolled or the goal is achieved, not both.
In trial #44 it appears you hit all numbers including the 7. That doesn't show me that you won the bet.
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You're right.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Now I've made a footnote on the Excel: " Note: *7 popped up after I made the bonus"
Click here to see my Excel spreadsheet
June 2nd, 2025 at 1:25:23 PM
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Quote: AutomaticMonkeyWhen simulating this kind of a bet, a hand should end when a 7 is rolled or the goal is achieved, not both.
In trial #44 it appears you hit all numbers including the 7. That doesn't show me that you won the bet.
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I for one am assuming that, in this instance, every trial continues until a 7 is rolled, and then the numbers are checked to see if every one of the 11 results came up at least once. The only "problem" would be, the total number of rolls would be higher than what would actually happen.
June 2nd, 2025 at 2:10:16 PM
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Quote: ThatDonGuyQuote: AutomaticMonkeyWhen simulating this kind of a bet, a hand should end when a 7 is rolled or the goal is achieved, not both.
In trial #44 it appears you hit all numbers including the 7. That doesn't show me that you won the bet.
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I for one am assuming that, in this instance, every trial continues until a 7 is rolled, and then the numbers are checked to see if every one of the 11 results came up at least once. The only "problem" would be, the total number of rolls would be higher than what would actually happen.
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You are correct.
I've overstated the rolls by 1
@roll#316
The 7 popped up.
I've programed to end the recording @ that trial#44th
whenever the 7 pops up.
The new trial#45th began after that ending.
See the revised info below
June 2nd, 2025 at 2:51:59 PM
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Quote: ArmageddenQuote: ThatDonGuyQuote: AutomaticMonkeyWhen simulating this kind of a bet, a hand should end when a 7 is rolled or the goal is achieved, not both.
In trial #44 it appears you hit all numbers including the 7. That doesn't show me that you won the bet.
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I for one am assuming that, in this instance, every trial continues until a 7 is rolled, and then the numbers are checked to see if every one of the 11 results came up at least once. The only "problem" would be, the total number of rolls would be higher than what would actually happen.
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You are correct.
I've overstated the rolls by 1
@roll#316
The 7 popped up.
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Was the 315th roll a 2? If not, then you already had all 10 of the non-7 numbers after 314 rolls, so the length of that trial is less than 315.
Also remember that you have to report an additional trial, that started with the roll after the last roll of the winning one, and ended with the 7 that you reported as roll #316 of the winning trial.
June 2nd, 2025 at 3:04:21 PM
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Not that it really matters, but some casinos let you remake the bet after the bet is won, so it wouldn’t stop only when a 7 is hit.
Also most casinos only pay 150:1 these days.
Also most casinos only pay 150:1 these days.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
June 2nd, 2025 at 3:51:26 PM
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@ThatDonGuy,
Roll#307 was a 12 which made the bonus.
Roll#316 was a 7 which ended the trial#44.
My program automatically resets and restarts @trial#45 in the next column.
See the spreadsheet for details
Click here to see my Excel spreadsheet
So I rolled 307 times exactly to make the bonus, not 315 nor 316 as prevously stated.
Thanks for encouraging me to look back @ the details to get the correct info
Roll#307 was a 12 which made the bonus.
Roll#316 was a 7 which ended the trial#44.
My program automatically resets and restarts @trial#45 in the next column.
See the spreadsheet for details
Click here to see my Excel spreadsheet
So I rolled 307 times exactly to make the bonus, not 315 nor 316 as prevously stated.
Thanks for encouraging me to look back @ the details to get the correct info
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June 2nd, 2025 at 4:14:16 PM
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From Reddit:
Numbers From Wizard of Odds
Small/Tall if pays 34 to 1 has 7.76% house edge, if it pays 30 to 1 has an 18.30% house edge
Make em All if it pays 175 to 1 has 7.47% house edge, and 150 to 1 has 20.61% house edge
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I'm trying to figure out if the ATS bets lose on come-out 7's. I think they do. So that messes up shooters who use every come-out opportunity to roll 7-11's and then don't because they don't want to lose their Come bets or the ATS bets.
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From Reddit:
If you bet the same on the pass line as you do on ATS, the come-out 7 doesn't hurt. You just use the winnings from the pass line to repay the ATS. Sure you are technically down, as those would be in your pile otherwise, but I view it as a neutral roll. It's basically as if the roll never happened.
Point seven, though, hurts.
Numbers From Wizard of Odds
Small/Tall if pays 34 to 1 has 7.76% house edge, if it pays 30 to 1 has an 18.30% house edge
Make em All if it pays 175 to 1 has 7.47% house edge, and 150 to 1 has 20.61% house edge
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I'm trying to figure out if the ATS bets lose on come-out 7's. I think they do. So that messes up shooters who use every come-out opportunity to roll 7-11's and then don't because they don't want to lose their Come bets or the ATS bets.
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From Reddit:
If you bet the same on the pass line as you do on ATS, the come-out 7 doesn't hurt. You just use the winnings from the pass line to repay the ATS. Sure you are technically down, as those would be in your pile otherwise, but I view it as a neutral roll. It's basically as if the roll never happened.
Point seven, though, hurts.
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June 4th, 2025 at 1:33:35 PM
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@ChampChange
Here are more interesting stats
I had rolled 579 more times in between 2 bonuses
Look at roll#10 thru roll#33 for the bonus-numbers in red.
then look at roll#612 thru roll#648 for the other bonus-numbers in red
Click here to see the details in Excel
Here are more interesting stats
I had rolled 579 more times in between 2 bonuses
Look at roll#10 thru roll#33 for the bonus-numbers in red.
then look at roll#612 thru roll#648 for the other bonus-numbers in red
Click here to see the details in Excel
June 4th, 2025 at 1:33:35 PM
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@ChampChange
Here are more interesting stats
I had rolled 579 more times in between 2 bonuses
Look at roll#10 thru roll#33 for the bonus-numbers in red.
then look at roll#612 thru roll#648 for the other bonus-numbers in red
Click here to see the details in Excel
Here are more interesting stats
I had rolled 579 more times in between 2 bonuses
Look at roll#10 thru roll#33 for the bonus-numbers in red.
then look at roll#612 thru roll#648 for the other bonus-numbers in red
Click here to see the details in Excel
July 17th, 2025 at 1:05:53 PM
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@now I get some really lucky rolls @ practice
I've rolled 28 times before 7outs
Here is a recap for rolls in percentages:
Here are details for each of 28 rolls:
I got a 7out @roll#29
This was the quickest luckiest way to make the "make'EM all bonus"
I've rolled 28 times before 7outs
Here is a recap for rolls in percentages:
Here are details for each of 28 rolls:
I got a 7out @roll#29
This was the quickest luckiest way to make the "make'EM all bonus"
July 18th, 2025 at 5:19:11 PM
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An interesting strategy around people that are obsessed with the ATS bet, is simply making a corresponding X+Y come/PL bet, where X is how much you spent on the ATS and Y was... some other number I'm forgetting at the moment. John from ProCraps posted the strategy about a year or more ago on his youtube channel and he had a spreadsheet for what to bet at what level of ATS betting you wanted to do.
In theory, you use the Come/PL wins to fuel the ATS bet. Assuming a normal distribution of Come/PL wins during your session, it would "guarantee" you a lot of paid-for stabs at the ATS, which is your primary goal for that session.
Flipside, I've bet the ATS a few times when i wanted to bet extra heavy on the DC/PL side, as a weird hedge in case a shooter got hot during the roll. For my bet level, I do a 10/5/10 or 22/6/22 spread, since making tall or all is much more frequent during any particular session when someone is at the tables.
In theory, you use the Come/PL wins to fuel the ATS bet. Assuming a normal distribution of Come/PL wins during your session, it would "guarantee" you a lot of paid-for stabs at the ATS, which is your primary goal for that session.
Flipside, I've bet the ATS a few times when i wanted to bet extra heavy on the DC/PL side, as a weird hedge in case a shooter got hot during the roll. For my bet level, I do a 10/5/10 or 22/6/22 spread, since making tall or all is much more frequent during any particular session when someone is at the tables.
July 19th, 2025 at 12:33:54 PM
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Yesterday I rolled 183 times @practice and failed to make'EM-ALL
July 26th, 2025 at 12:25:10 PM
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@now I get some good rolls @ practice
I've rolled 106 times
Here is a recap for rolls in percentages:
Within 106 rolls
I've made the "make'EM all bonus", see column#16
Here are the roll-details of the "make'EM all bonus"
I've rolled 106 times
Here is a recap for rolls in percentages:
Within 106 rolls
I've made the "make'EM all bonus", see column#16
Here are the roll-details of the "make'EM all bonus"
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July 29th, 2025 at 12:55:56 AM
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@now I've just finished my practice
I've rolled 405 times
See details in screenshot:
Here is a recap for 405-rolls in percentages:
Within 405 rolls
I've "reset and reloaded" 74 times
I've failed to make any "make'EM all bonus"
See recap:
I've rolled 405 times
See details in screenshot:
Here is a recap for 405-rolls in percentages:
Within 405 rolls
I've "reset and reloaded" 74 times
I've failed to make any "make'EM all bonus"
See recap:
Last edited by: Armagedden on Jul 29, 2025
August 4th, 2025 at 5:25:29 PM
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Greetings live from a casino...
"Rick" made the bonus in 40 rolls
See details
"Rick" made the bonus in 40 rolls
See details
August 4th, 2025 at 5:44:08 PM
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Wow
"Bobby" just made the bonus in 13 rolls @ the same table
See details
"Bobby" just made the bonus in 13 rolls @ the same table
See details
August 4th, 2025 at 6:50:55 PM
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Quote: Armagedden@now I get some good rolls @ practice
I've rolled 106 times
Here is a recap for rolls in percentages:
Within 106 rolls
I've made the "make'EM all bonus", see column#16
Here are the roll-details of the "make'EM all bonus"
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9 fours! Wow that would have been a fun roll.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
August 5th, 2025 at 8:32:59 AM
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@unjon
It's more fun to watch "F.B.", a REAL McCoy, to roll dice.
FB has rolled the bones for 47 years. He puts in more than 10,000 hours in craps
He rolled 27 times @ a table @ a casino yesterday
See details for his 27 rolls:
It's more fun to watch "F.B.", a REAL McCoy, to roll dice.
FB has rolled the bones for 47 years. He puts in more than 10,000 hours in craps
He rolled 27 times @ a table @ a casino yesterday
See details for his 27 rolls:
August 5th, 2025 at 9:15:33 PM
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Greetings live from a casino...
@Now "John" of Scranton, Pennsylvania gets good rolls and makes the Bonus
See details @ line#245 thru line#266
@Now "John" of Scranton, Pennsylvania gets good rolls and makes the Bonus
See details @ line#245 thru line#266
August 6th, 2025 at 1:09:54 PM
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Quote: Armagedden@unjon
It's more fun to watch "F.B.", a REAL McCoy, to roll dice.
FB has rolled the bones for 47 years. He puts in more than 10,000 hours in craps
He rolled 27 times @ a table @ a casino yesterday
See details for his 27 rolls:
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That’s a very remarkable roll! But I would have cleaned up more on the 9 fours.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
August 7th, 2025 at 8:06:54 AM
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@UnJon
Have you an account with Discord.com?
I like to invite you to a private craps channel
In that channel
Ive shared detailed data in real craps games
I've used a few tick marks as a shorthand to record each roll result.
A "X" over a 7 is a SEVEN-out
A "V" under a 7 is a winning Seven on a come- out roll.
A "call" is marked by a "/" over a number, such as 2, 3, 4,5, 6,8,9,10,11,12
By default:
On the Come-Out Roll (the first roll of a betting round)
A point (4, 5,6,8,9, or 10) is set automatically after a 7OUT.
A "making the point"
is marked by a "V" under a number, such as 4,5, 6, 8,9, or 10
See a sample
Have you an account with Discord.com?
I like to invite you to a private craps channel
In that channel
Ive shared detailed data in real craps games
I've used a few tick marks as a shorthand to record each roll result.
A "X" over a 7 is a SEVEN-out
A "V" under a 7 is a winning Seven on a come- out roll.
A "call" is marked by a "/" over a number, such as 2, 3, 4,5, 6,8,9,10,11,12
By default:
On the Come-Out Roll (the first roll of a betting round)
A point (4, 5,6,8,9, or 10) is set automatically after a 7OUT.
A "making the point"
is marked by a "V" under a number, such as 4,5, 6, 8,9, or 10
See a sample
August 7th, 2025 at 1:47:11 PM
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I don’t.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
August 19th, 2025 at 8:36:39 AM
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I asked an "Ai genius" this question:
How many hours will it take to roll the dice 576 times in a craps game? Why 576 times? There are 576 different ways to set and roll the bones, see screenshot.
The interesting anwswer is:
"To answer this, we need to estimate how long one dice roll takes in a typical craps game.
Let’s assume:
A casual craps game takes about 30 seconds per roll (including time for players to place bets, roll the dice, and resolve the outcome).
Now calculate total time for 576 rolls:
576
rolls
×
30
seconds per roll
=17,280 seconds
576 rolls×30 seconds per roll=17,280 seconds
Convert seconds to hours:
17,280
÷
3600
=
4.8
hours
17,280÷3600=4.8 hours
It will take approximately 4.8 hours (or 4 hours and 48 minutes) to roll the dice 576 times in a standard-paced craps game."
How many hours will it take to roll the dice 576 times in a craps game? Why 576 times? There are 576 different ways to set and roll the bones, see screenshot.
The interesting anwswer is:
"To answer this, we need to estimate how long one dice roll takes in a typical craps game.
Let’s assume:
A casual craps game takes about 30 seconds per roll (including time for players to place bets, roll the dice, and resolve the outcome).
Now calculate total time for 576 rolls:
576
rolls
×
30
seconds per roll
=17,280 seconds
576 rolls×30 seconds per roll=17,280 seconds
Convert seconds to hours:
17,280
÷
3600
=
4.8
hours
17,280÷3600=4.8 hours
It will take approximately 4.8 hours (or 4 hours and 48 minutes) to roll the dice 576 times in a standard-paced craps game."
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August 20th, 2025 at 10:14:55 AM
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I get a good practice now
I've made the bonus within 45 rolls
I've made the bonus within 45 rolls
August 22nd, 2025 at 10:11:35 PM
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How do I decode the 4 digits that represent the "set" and are you claiming any coherence between the set and the number rolled?
August 24th, 2025 at 5:49:13 PM
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I've rolled 576 times in practice
I didn't get any "Make'EM ALL bonus"
See details below
I didn't get any "Make'EM ALL bonus"
See details below
August 24th, 2025 at 6:39:48 PM
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Quote: cowboyHow do I decode the 4 digits that represent the "set" and are you claiming any coherence between the set and the number rolled?
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Low set#1 of 1122 is shown on photo1
Middle set#288 of 3665 is shown on photo2
High set#576 of 6655 is shown on photo3
I will let you know if hard sets do beat the "16.67% 7OUT" after my R & D.
