Reducing HA on $1500 played with 2X odds on BC

I've got to bet $1500 in total using my Player's Club Card to get $55 in free play. I believe that comes down to $3 per point and 50 points times 10 and one is free or it's $6 per point and 25 points times 10 and one is free. I'm talking about the bubble craps terminals. I can't play free play there, but I can earn free play there. So what's the best way to play $1500 in 3-4 hours and lose the least? Just playing $10 PL 150 times has an HA of $21.15. Playing $6 on the PB 6 & 8 has an HA of $22.65. Playing the $5 PL with $10 Odds, well that's more difficult to calculate but the HA is around $7 for 100 PL bets.
I may only get back half or better on the $55 of free play before I win a session point and cash out by playing video poker at the $1.25 level. So lowering the HA by $15 is helpful against those wins.
I keep getting wrecked by variance on the bubble craps so HA isn't really the issue, it's what I can win or lose by the time I get to $1500 played.

Depends. First thing you have to do is make sure the craps machine gives you comps and free play on odds. A physical craps table does not. I was in a game once where there was a video craps machine that did comp you on odds, and comped you like a slots player on odds, so it was a total +EV play. But this was in an Indian store known for sloppy promotions and harebrained procedures easy to exploit.

So unless you already have done this, you have to do an experiment, play with and without odds, record your action, and see what effect each type of play has on your account.

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I've got to bet $1500 in total using my Player's Club Card to get $55 in free play. I believe that comes down to $3 per point and 50 points times 10 and one is free or it's $6 per point and 25 points times 10 and one is free. I'm talking about the bubble craps terminals. I can't play free play there, but I can earn free play there. So what's the best way to play $1500 in 3-4 hours and lose the least? Just playing $10 PL 150 times has an HA of $21.15. Playing $6 on the PB 6 & 8 has an HA of $22.65. Playing the $5 PL with $10 Odds, well that's more difficult to calculate but the HA is around $7 for 100 PL bets.
I may only get back half or better on the $55 of free play before I win a session point and cash out by playing video poker at the $1.25 level. So lowering the HA by $15 is helpful against those wins.
I keep getting wrecked by variance on the bubble craps so HA isn't really the issue, it's what I can win or lose by the time I get to $1500 played.
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I would find a better play. 😁

Lately it's been averaging about $15/point at the kiosk that I can spend towards a burger. So $1500 played will get me $1 towards a burger now. Taking odds may reduce that by a third, idk. It used to be $600 played per 100 points without odds that could go towards my burger. Promotions is really stiffing me on my kiosk points now. But if I can get $5 of free play for every $150 I play, I'm doing way better than any slot points, and maybe I should buy a burger with my free play winnings. The double mushroom burger is about $13 now. I'm not getting that off slot points any time soon.
But as others have said, the free play is just subsidizing your losses, unless you're winning.
Odds bets do count towards points for the free play promotion (it's the U-Spin feature for $5). There seems to be a difference between points on the machine and the points on the kiosk. Like the backroom at promotions is skimming points off the machine because I played odds so I get less tier points.

But I'm plotting out how I can win $100K+ on bubble craps when the line bet is limited to $195 with 2X odds by using come bets. Too bad I'll have too many slot vouchers to count. I can get to a million on the craps tables the same way after that.

If you like playing that game you might want to try reproducing an experiment I did on bubble craps. It didn't look like random movement to me; ratio of the size of the die to the size of the constraint (the clear tube) is too large so you get something comparable to the Casimir Effect- all possible motions are not possible within the constraint so it can't be fully random.

Now if the outcome of the rolls was non-random enough to be playable the record keeping of the computer would pick that up very quickly and the machine would be corrected or shut down, but non-random outcomes of each individual die would be much harder to detect, unless the computer is following each die. The dies are visually identical so that can't be done after the roll, and I doubt there is machine vision tracking each die as a discrete element but I can do that visually. So I sat for hours in a place with no live games and no heat with a notepad and took notes, recording the frequency for each die of: same number, opposing number, or side, hundred of rolls.

And it turns out- they were dead random, hard to believe but that's what the numbers revealed. Maybe the actuator on some other machine might malfunction and you can get something you can work with, or maybe not. It might also be interesting to try it with a Sic Bo machine where there are three dice in the same size chamber.

There's a difference between the single player bubble craps machine and the community players bubble craps machine (which is the one I play). With the community player machine, I could be playing alone with my Don't Pass strategy for half an hour then a couple people I sort of know sit down to play and they are not going to put up with me trying to point 7-out out each turn, but accidents do happen. So I have to abandon my dark side play while they attempt to have successful rolls. Some other players are betting dark side against me and themselves, so I have to take that into account when it's their turn to roll. But I can't see what they are betting on at all like I could see with chips at a table. I can only notice when they win or lose a bet on a number rolled.

I've only played the single player bubble machine a couple times and I had to go dark side pretty early because of the 7-outs and I got a bit ahead, but then it reversed on me and I cashed out at even. I prefer the community machine for rolling the dice; you can hit the button anytime within 15 seconds or not hit it at all and it autorolls. The single player machine doesn't have that engagement of the shooter trying to pop the dice in a split second to influence a desired outcome, it just autorolls every time.