ChallengedMilly
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September 4th, 2022 at 6:21:20 AM permalink
Going to the casinos this week and plan on bringing about $2500 for some craps shooting. I've been successful with various basic dark side strategies so far, but this trip I wanted to try something different. Does anyone have any particularly interesting, novel, or outlandish dark side strats they'd like for me to try?
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odiousgambit
September 4th, 2022 at 6:34:30 AM permalink
I can't recommend any strategies, but have fun and I look forward to reading your trip report.
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AlanMendelson
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September 4th, 2022 at 6:37:06 AM permalink
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Going to the casinos this week and plan on bringing about $2500 for some craps shooting. I've been successful with various basic dark side strategies so far, but this trip I wanted to try something different. Does anyone have any particularly interesting, novel, or outlandish dark side strats they'd like for me to try?
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Yes. Find a table with only dark side players and be the shooter.

Then report back.

Why is it most dark siders don't shoot?
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September 4th, 2022 at 8:56:18 AM permalink
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Going to the casinos this week and plan on bringing about $2500 for some craps shooting. I've been successful with various basic dark side strategies so far, but this trip I wanted to try something different. Does anyone have any particularly interesting, novel, or outlandish dark side strats they'd like for me to try?
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$10 table: DP = $10 + $18 odds + $15 on the hard number point, i.e., 4, 6, 8, or 10. Results: 7 out = net $10 win; soft point winner = $28 loss or hard number point winner = $122 win including bring down the hard number bet.

The last three times I played, I hit the hard point winner.

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Vegasrider
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September 4th, 2022 at 9:43:27 AM permalink
I'm a Darkside player, and my buy ins range from $1500-2000 per session. I simply play one number buying full odds. So if I start off at $20, I'm putting down another $120 behind the number and that's it. Why one number, If I play another number, I'm no longer the favorite. There are more combinations that can be rolled that can beat me. Very boring and kind of a grind, but I put in long sessions. If I lose, I place the same bet, Now if 2 points are rolled, I will double my bet by betting $40. If I win I go back to my initial bet. I generally don't double my bets until I lost two of the same bets. Long story short, I'm hoping for many 7 outs w/o any points. It's streaky in both ways. If a shooter rolls 5 points, I will pretty much lose my buy in unless I build up my initial buy-in up to withstand up to 6 points. So my question, what are the odds a shooter will roll 5 or 6 points? My strategy is betting against that number.

To help kill the boredom I keep track of how many rolls the shooter has rolled, how many points they have rolled or if they 7 out right away. I also keep track of what numbers has rolled so I have a live visual graph of the frequencies for each number. It helps visualize how the table is going. Favoring the P or DP.
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September 4th, 2022 at 10:00:33 AM permalink
Personally I make DP then two DCs. Hopefully there are three numbers and the 7 comes right out. The best result is missing all three. The worst is taking sometime to establish three different numbers.

If I'm trying to stay a while I'll only make a DC, that way I can catch a 7 on a come out as well as the 7-out.
odiousgambit
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September 4th, 2022 at 10:31:46 AM permalink
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Going to the casinos this week and plan on bringing about $2500 for some craps shooting. I've been successful with various basic dark side strategies so far, but this trip I wanted to try something different. Does anyone have any particularly interesting, novel, or outlandish dark side strats they'd like for me to try?
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Yes. Find a table with only dark side players and be the shooter.

Then report back.

A table with only Darksiders would be great!

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Why is it most dark siders don't shoot?
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Real Craps Players know the answer to that one. If you roll a 7-out [a Darkside winner] the dealers take the dice from you and give it to the next guy. But if you remain the shooter, it's because you are killing yourself by hitting the points Rightside winner, Darkside loser, and Lo the dice keep coming right back to you again and again.

If the whole table was Darksiders we could agree to pass the dice back to the guy who is a good shooter our style!
The Dice, the cards, they not only have no sense of justice but are seemingly endowed with a sense of cruel irony. This devolves from the 'nature of random'. Ironically, don't you see. 
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September 4th, 2022 at 10:45:47 AM permalink
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Personally I make DP then two DCs. Hopefully there are three numbers and the 7 comes right out. The best result is missing all three. The worst is taking sometime to establish three different numbers.

If I'm trying to stay a while I'll only make a DC, that way I can catch a 7 on a come out as well as the 7-out.
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I use to play that way, playing with multiple numbers. Laying six times behind the number gets damn expensive and again, there will be more combinations to roll to beat you. Iíd rather bet big and remain the favorite. Plus you are really risking your bet putting your bet back on the DC. Once I survive that roll, I donít want to risk doing it again.

Another strategy Iíve used is stop playing once 2 pts are rolled and just wait until a 7 out and start over again. That way you are not risking playing the opposite side when a shooter going to roll 4-6 points
odiousgambit
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September 4th, 2022 at 10:53:34 AM permalink
As for a good strategy, avoid some mistakes.

* The biggest one I ever made was thinking it was good to pile up points to resolve. As a Rightsider I would realize a 3 point Molly was the most you should go, otherwise you're putting too much in action. But at the same table, I felt it was good to go even more, and constantly make DP/DC bets to get there. It's an illusion that it's a good idea! It's putting too much in action!

* I'm going to get disagreement possibly, but just because you can go with a higher free odds bet Darkside than you can Rightside doesn't mean you have to! At 3x4x5x in particular this can lead to that kind of thinking. Don't go any higher than you would Rightside approximately. I've recently discovered the HE and the Variance both are lower.

* If the shooter is right next to you, play the DC. That might mollify them a bit, but you'll probably notice they don't like it. On the East Coast nobody will probably say anything, but I did have that happen in Indiana. You have to be ready for it. If you enjoy the group spirit thing, it's going to be gone. But you knew that.
The Dice, the cards, they not only have no sense of justice but are seemingly endowed with a sense of cruel irony. This devolves from the 'nature of random'. Ironically, don't you see. 
ChallengedMilly
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September 4th, 2022 at 11:03:34 AM permalink
Alan, I do it because I'm new to craps and understand that playing dark side is frowned upon by most players even though it is ultimately fighting against the casino more than any particular player that is shooting. I have shot from the dark when I had a table all to myself(and ironically threw 33 rolls in a row from the dark... yeah I lost a lot on that lol!) In general though if you're playing dark it seems to get you less negative stares and shittalk at the table if you pass.

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