Why Does a Place Bet on 6/8 Pay 7:6?
It should be 11 to 10. Ten is a common divisor and also this would make the vig 4.55% which is comparable to the sucker vigs of the other place bets: 5/9 (4%) and 4/10 (6.67%).
But you're right about the $6 unit being an oddity. I think it's the single most confusing point for newbies. It seems that anyone learning the game will at some point try to bet $5 (well, not so much any more since there are very few $5 tables left) on the 6/8. The dealer's "drop me a dollar" is usually met with the 'deer in headlights' look, or just ignored.
And when they do finally figure it out, they then try to make a $6 dollar odds bet when the point is 6/8!
Way back in the day most tables were probably $1 minimum or even less. So at 7:6 you could "afford" to place the 6/8 with $6. Then again, they probably made 50 cent payouts back then, in which case you could make a $3 bet without being shorted.
Come to think of it, some downtown casinos were still making 50 cent payouts not so long ago, like for a 3:2 blackjack payout on a $5 wager . Maybe some still are. I haven't been downtown for several years and I assume it's now rare to find a $5 table paying 3:2. At many strip casinos it's hard finding a $25 table still paying 3:2
They'll even ignore players who leaves odds on their passline bets during the come out roll.
They dont want to be bothered. They'll make short pays and ignore the odds.
Until a few years ago they still had $1 craps at Jokers Wild in Henderson. You could get paid $1.75 on a $1.50 place bet on the 6/8! They used 25c chips.Quote: Ace2The only possible explanation I can think of:
Way back in the day most tables were probably $1 minimum or even less. So at 7:6 you could "afford" to place the 6/8 with $6. Then again, they probably made 50 cent payouts back then, in which case you could make a $3 bet without being shorted.
Come to think of it, some downtown casinos were still making 50 cent payouts not so long ago, like for a 3:2 blackjack payout on a $5 wager . Maybe some still are. I haven't been downtown for several years and I assume it's now rare to find a $5 table paying 3:2. At many strip casinos it's hard finding a $25 table still paying 3:2
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Quote: JoemanUntil a few years ago they still had $1 craps at Jokers Wild in Henderson. You could get paid $1.75 on a $1.50 place bet on the 6/8! They used 25c chips.
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I remember the 25-cent chips at one of the Stations Casinos back in 1996 I wish I had saved one!
Last week, I was at Red Rock Casino, where the Tuesday afternoon craps minimum was $10. I asked the dealer if $5 craps still exists anywhere and she said no, not that she knows of. She also cheerfully said $10 craps is pretty good!
Last time I played at a BJ table, $5 bets on a BJ were paid with a $2.50 chip on top of a $5 chip.
I don't know the history of how the craps PB payouts were determined, but Buy bets are a funny thing.
Quote: Ace27 to 6 must be the strangest payout ratio in the casino. Who bets in multiples of six? What casino has $6 chips?
It should be 11 to 10. Ten is a common divisor and also this would make the vig 4.55% which is comparable to the sucker vigs of the other place bets: 5/9 (4%) and 4/10 (6.67%).
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I dont know anyone that places a 4/10. And many places now take the vig on win only.
Quote: Ace27 to 6 must be the strangest payout ratio in the casino. Who bets in multiples of six? What casino has $6 chips?
It should be 11 to 10. Ten is a common divisor and also this would make the vig 4.55% which is comparable to the sucker vigs of the other place bets: 5/9 (4%) and 4/10 (6.67%).
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Hey Ace, I will let you scratch your head on this one. When I play $10 table, I PB the 6/8 for $10 telling the dealer, " I don't care about the odds. When It hits I then raise the bet to $12 so that I get the "proper odds" return of $14 on the net hit (not true odds). Now if there is a 7 out before a hit, I have saved myself an extra $2 loss. For me, it works. For you, probably not so much.
tuttigym
Hey, as long as you "don't care" about paying a house edge several times higher than necessary, then that makes sense. Using similar logic, you could also make a passline bet after a point of 4 has been established. It's only a 33.3% house edge, but "who cares" when you can just feel a 4 is coming on the next roll. However, do not make the free odds bet behind it under any circumstancesQuote: tuttigymQuote: Ace27 to 6 must be the strangest payout ratio in the casino. Who bets in multiples of six? What casino has $6 chips?
It should be 11 to 10. Ten is a common divisor and also this would make the vig 4.55% which is comparable to the sucker vigs of the other place bets: 5/9 (4%) and 4/10 (6.67%).
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Hey Ace, I will let you scratch your head on this one. When I play $10 table, I PB the 6/8 for $10 telling the dealer, " I don't care about the odds. When It hits I then raise the bet to $12 so that I get the "proper odds" return of $14 on the net hit (not true odds). Now if there is a 7 out before a hit, I have saved myself an extra $2 loss. For me, it works. For you, probably not so much.
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By the way, how much do they pay you in winnings on a $10 place bet on the 6/8? Is it sometimes $11, sometimes $10, or maybe even $6?
When a $15 PB wins it pays 14+3=$17. When a $25 PB wins it pays 28+1=$29.
The house edge is not as high for these 2 bets as for the $10 PB which pays 7+4=$11 since you don't get odds payment on
$4 (almost half of the bet).
I often use small hedges when playing craps in order to reduce the short term volatility/variance that can hurt when for example,
4 sevens and 2 elevens occur while betting the don'ts on a comeout. I know they're going to increase losses over the longer term
but I play for the short term so I don't lose my rather low loss limit in lickety-split.
I don't think anyone here should ever "make a passline bet after a point of 4 has been established" since there is no justification
for it, short or long term.
Place bets were explained that the $5 bets on 4,5,9 & 10 are actually $1 PUT bets with $4 odds. Pays $1 plus $8 on the 4/10 or $1 plus $6 on the 5/9. Similarly, $6 bets on the 6 & 8 were actually $1 and $5 odds paying $1 plus $6.
It made a lot of sense to me since I understood what a put bet was. But why bring in all those extra details to beginners?
And the really important part they totally missed, is something that I often find myself explaining to novice players - the relationship of where you stand and where your bets are in the boxes.
I think Ellis Island & Jerry's Nugget still have $5 tables. Last December, I saw an empty $5 table at Luxor. However, I have read that it is usually just a tease, and once they get a few players, it goes to $10.Quote: smoothgrhLast week, I was at Red Rock Casino, where the Tuesday afternoon craps minimum was $10. I asked the dealer if $5 craps still exists anywhere and she said no
FWIW, at least as of last December, Skyline has a 3:2, $5 BJ table, but it is only open on weekend evenings.
Quote: Ace2Hey, as long as you "don't care" about paying a house edge several times higher than necessary, then that makes sense. Using similar logic, you could also make a passline bet after a point of 4 has been established. It's only a 33.3% house edge, but "who cares" when you can just feel a 4 is coming on the next roll. However, do not make the free odds bet behind it under any circumstancesQuote: tuttigymQuote: Ace27 to 6 must be the strangest payout ratio in the casino. Who bets in multiples of six? What casino has $6 chips?
It should be 11 to 10. Ten is a common divisor and also this would make the vig 4.55% which is comparable to the sucker vigs of the other place bets: 5/9 (4%) and 4/10 (6.67%).
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Hey Ace, I will let you scratch your head on this one. When I play $10 table, I PB the 6/8 for $10 telling the dealer, " I don't care about the odds. When It hits I then raise the bet to $12 so that I get the "proper odds" return of $14 on the net hit (not true odds). Now if there is a 7 out before a hit, I have saved myself an extra $2 loss. For me, it works. For you, probably not so much.
tuttigym
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By the way, how much do they pay you in winnings on a $10 place bet on the 6/8? Is it sometimes $11, sometimes $10, or maybe even $6?
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First of all Mr. Ace2, it is called gambling. Your fanaticism with the "house edge" borders on one being so afraid of losing an extra dollar that one wonders how you can even approach a casino. One might compare it to avoiding cheese on a burger because the restaurant is charging an extra $10 for one slice. Talk about a house edge, WOW. That is what I call "similar logic." It seems that your "logic" would have one bet the PL, which pays even money over any PB which almost always pays more than even money, and your so devoted to that bet that you would place additional funds on the odds bet which can provide a large loss more often because of the house edge after any point is established - about 20% more often than not according to you. Great logic there.
To answer the other question about the payout on a $10 PB on the 6, it is $11 where I play. I still get the "extra" $ on the first $6 which make the "cheese" that much better.
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But if I'm at a 10X odds table, how do I Put the 6 & 8 with odds after the point is already established? Are the odds ON during a PL come-out roll?
If I have $30 Put bet with $270 odds, that would pay $354, which is $4 more than a $300 PB 6/8 bet would pay. Obviously the Pass Line action is missing.
it was all about the things you don't need to know at all ... yes, Iike, say, how a place bet is actually a put bet with odds, useless information that I am now desperately trying to erase from my memory, now and forevermore
PS: seems to me if that is what it actually is then the HE should be lower. But I am not going to investigate that
Quote: DJTeddyBearMany years ago, with time to kill and no bankroll, I attended one of those free craps lessons that casinos sometimes provide. I was actually shocked at the types of info being provided to beginners, as well as the really important info that was omitted.
Place bets were explained that the $5 bets on 4,5,9 & 10 are actually $1 PUT bets with $4 odds. Pays $1 plus $8 on the 4/10 or $1 plus $6 on the 5/9. Similarly, $6 bets on the 6 & 8 were actually $1 and $5 odds paying $1 plus $6.
It made a lot of sense to me since I understood what a put bet was. But why bring in all those extra details to beginners?
And the really important part they totally missed, is something that I often find myself explaining to novice players - the relationship of where you stand and where your bets are in the boxes.
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This seems to answer Ace2 question. Placing the 6/8 pays 7:6 because it started as a put bet with 5x odds.
The layout on the table alone scares players away.
But trying to explain place bets as put bets with odds?
Sounds like this casino didnt want new players.
LOL
Quote: unJonQuote: DJTeddyBearMany years ago, with time to kill and no bankroll, I attended one of those free craps lessons that casinos sometimes provide. I was actually shocked at the types of info being provided to beginners, as well as the really important info that was omitted.
Place bets were explained that the $5 bets on 4,5,9 & 10 are actually $1 PUT bets with $4 odds. Pays $1 plus $8 on the 4/10 or $1 plus $6 on the 5/9. Similarly, $6 bets on the 6 & 8 were actually $1 and $5 odds paying $1 plus $6.
It made a lot of sense to me since I understood what a put bet was. But why bring in all those extra details to beginners?
And the really important part they totally missed, is something that I often find myself explaining to novice players - the relationship of where you stand and where your bets are in the boxes.
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This seems to answer Ace2 question. Placing the 6/8 pays 7:6 because it started as a put bet with 5x odds.
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I remember reading this same explanation in an old time craps instructional book, maybe from eighties.
Quote: Ace2Hey, as long as you "don't care" about paying a house edge several times higher than necessary, then that makes sense. Using similar logic, you could also make a passline bet after a point of 4 has been established. It's only a 33.3% house edge, but "who cares" when you can just feel a 4 is coming on the next roll. However, do not make the free odds bet behind it under any circumstances
By the way, how much do they pay you in winnings on a $10 place bet on the 6/8? Is it sometimes $11, sometimes $10, or maybe even $6?
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A young man graduated, with honors, from the Ace2 School of Craps Math. He was armed with extensive "knowledge" of the "math" including SD, HE/HA, and the type of play that might make him a winner. He was schooled in the PL + odds bets (which according to Mr. Ace2 are really good wagers and the foundation of the game} as well as the other bets and what one might expect during any given session. To be sure, the Ace2 School of Craps Math made NO promises of riches or wins beyond his wildest imagination.
The young man went to his local casino, bought in, and started his session. It was a $15 table. The shooter tossed a 6 for the established point. The young man, prior to coming out, put $15 on the PL, but was cautious and put $15 odds down. Tuttigym was also at the table, and after the point was established made a $30 PB on the 8. The shooter immediately tossed an 8, and the dealer paid tuttigym $35, very nice. The shooter than tossed a 6. Whoopeee!! Winner, winner, chicken dinner cried the dealer. The young man was very happy, but the dealer only paid him $15 for PL bet and $18 for his odds bet for a total of $33. Whoa, how can that be. The young man was truly puzzled. Tuttigym made $2 more for the same wager which for all intense and purposes beat the HE and the SD.
Do you suppose the young man felt betrayed or somehow got it wrong? I guess he could check with the Ace2 School of Craps Math and get a full explanation?
tuttigym
p.s. On a $5 table, a $5 PL +$5 odds on a 6 or 8 pays $11. A $10 PB on the 6 or 8 also pays $11. Go figure.
Quote: tuttigymQuote: Ace2Hey, as long as you "don't care" about paying a house edge several times higher than necessary, then that makes sense. Using similar logic, you could also make a passline bet after a point of 4 has been established. It's only a 33.3% house edge, but "who cares" when you can just feel a 4 is coming on the next roll. However, do not make the free odds bet behind it under any circumstances
By the way, how much do they pay you in winnings on a $10 place bet on the 6/8? Is it sometimes $11, sometimes $10, or maybe even $6?
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A young man graduated, with honors, from the Ace2 School of Craps Math. He was armed with extensive "knowledge" of the "math" including SD, HE/HA, and the type of play that might make him a winner. He was schooled in the PL + odds bets (which according to Mr. Ace2 are really good wagers and the foundation of the game} as well as the other bets and what one might expect during any given session. To be sure, the Ace2 School of Craps Math made NO promises of riches or wins beyond his wildest imagination.
The young man went to his local casino, bought in, and started his session. It was a $15 table. The shooter tossed a 6 for the established point. The young man, prior to coming out, put $15 on the PL, but was cautious and put $15 odds down. Tuttigym was also at the table, and after the point was established made a $30 PB on the 8. The shooter immediately tossed an 8, and the dealer paid tuttigym $35, very nice. The shooter than tossed a 6. Whoopeee!! Winner, winner, chicken dinner cried the dealer. The young man was very happy, but the dealer only paid him $15 for PL bet and $18 for his odds bet for a total of $33. Whoa, how can that be. The young man was truly puzzled. Tuttigym made $2 more for the same wager which for all intense and purposes beat the HE and the SD.
Do you suppose the young man felt betrayed or somehow got it wrong? I guess he could check with the Ace2 School of Craps Math and get a full explanation?
tuttigym
p.s. On a $5 table, a $5 PL +$5 odds on a 6 or 8 pays $11. A $10 PB on the 6 or 8 also pays $11. Go figure.
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On a $5 table what does a $5 PL with $25 odds pay vs a $30 PB? For a 6 or 8.
Quote: unJonOn a $5 table what does a $5 PL with $25 odds pay vs a $30 PB? For a 6 or 8.
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Nice dodge. Why not come up with a plausible explanation of the reality posted, So one has to put up 5X the money just to match another bet that still defies the HE or SD? Welcome to the Ace2/unJon School of Craps Math.
tuttigym
This is fascinating to me. I've analyzed this game as much as anyone I know and I have never thought of place bets in those terms.Quote: DJTeddyBearMany years ago, with time to kill and no bankroll, I attended one of those free craps lessons that casinos sometimes provide. I was actually shocked at the types of info being provided to beginners, as well as the really important info that was omitted.
Place bets were explained that the $5 bets on 4,5,9 & 10 are actually $1 PUT bets with $4 odds. Pays $1 plus $8 on the 4/10 or $1 plus $6 on the 5/9. Similarly, $6 bets on the 6 & 8 were actually $1 and $5 odds paying $1 plus $6.
It made a lot of sense to me since I understood what a put bet was. But why bring in all those extra details to beginners?
And the really important part they totally missed, is something that I often find myself explaining to novice players - the relationship of where you stand and where your bets are in the boxes.
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That said, I believe it's just a coincidence that the place bets on 5/9 and 6/8 line up with $1 put bets plus 3-4-5 odds. I would be a believer if the place bet on the 4/10 paid at 7:4 instead of 9:5, since that would align it with a $1 put bet plus $3 odds.
I think this is confusing, unnecessary and possibly untrue information to give new players. It should be simply explained something like this: "If you want to bet that a specific number is rolled before a seven, there are two options: place and buy. Both carry very high edges around 5% except for placing the 6/8 which is significantly lower. For buy bets you pay an up-front commission (assuming it's always collected) then get paid true odds if it wins, whereas the edge is built in to the winning payout for place bets, which pay less than fair."
And most importantly: ,A $1 put bet on the 10 (for example) plus $4 odds is total sucker bet. You have a 1/3 chance of winning the put bet for an even-money payout which is a 33% edge. That's on 1/5th of the wager which is still a whopping 6.7% overall, So don't ever make this bet or it's place bet equivalent.
Quote: tuttigymQuote: unJonOn a $5 table what does a $5 PL with $25 odds pay vs a $30 PB? For a 6 or 8.
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Nice dodge. Why not come up with a plausible explanation of the reality posted, So one has to put up 5X the money just to match another bet that still defies the HE or SD? Welcome to the Ace2/unJon School of Craps Math.
tuttigym
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What reality? What 5x the money? Both bets were $30. Both bets are exactly the same in all respects once a point of 6 or 8 is established.
One bet has the benefit of $5 on the come out winning on a 7 or 11 and losing on a 2, 3 or 12. Thats more ways to win than lose.
Yawn. Next.
I envision the scenario as: I make a $15 PL bet, and the next rolls are 11,7,7,11, 6, 8, 6. I always play 3-4-5 odds so I win a total of $165 vs your $35. And since I play at a significantly higher level, probably more like a $1000 win for me vs your $35Quote: tuttigym
The young man went to his local casino, bought in, and started his session. It was a $15 table. The shooter tossed a 6 for the established point. The young man, prior to coming out, put $15 on the PL, but was cautious and put $15 odds down. Tuttigym was also at the table, and after the point was established made a $30 PB on the 8. The shooter immediately tossed an 8, and the dealer paid tuttigym $35, very nice. The shooter than tossed a 6. Whoopeee!! Winner, winner, chicken dinner cried the dealer. The young man was very happy, but the dealer only paid him $15 for PL bet and $18 for his odds bet for a total of $33. Whoa, how can that be. The young man was truly puzzled. Tuttigym made $2 more for the same wager which for all intense and purposes beat the HE and the SD.
Yeah, a $5 place on 4/10 being equal to $1 plus $4 odds DOES violate the typical 3-4-5 odds, but nobody say the place bets were invented or became popular on a 3-4-5 table.Quote: Ace2I believe it's just a coincidence that the place bets on 5/9 and 6/8 line up with $1 put bets plus 3-4-5 odds. I would be a believer if the place bet on the 4/10 paid at 7:4 instead of 9:5, since that would align it with a $1 put bet plus $3 odds.
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Quote: DeMangoSo how does this translate to $10 place bets on 3&11 paying $27 and $10 place bets on 2 & 12 paying $55? (Using put bets)
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Im not familiar with place bets on extreme outside. Ive only ever bought them in crapsless. But just looking at the numbers I guess the 2/12 at $55 is identical to a 9x odds place bet. The 3/11 doesnt translate to a whole number. 9x would pay $28 and 8x would pay $26.
Quote: AlanMendelsonTuttigym your place bet only wins when an 8 was rolled. The passline bet with odds could have had the flat bet portion win even before your place bet was even made.
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How is it you manage to CHANGE the facts of the post to somehow suit your position? How about the absolute fact that the shooter can roll the 8 several times with a $35 win for me even before rolling the 6 winner or before a more likely 7 out?
And from Ace2: crickets.
And from unJon: rationalizations and crickets
tuttigym
Quote: unJonQuote: tuttigymQuote: unJonOn a $5 table what does a $5 PL with $25 odds pay vs a $30 PB? For a 6 or 8.
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Nice dodge. Why not come up with a plausible explanation of the reality posted, So one has to put up 5X the money just to match another bet that still defies the HE or SD? Welcome to the Ace2/unJon School of Craps Math.
tuttigym
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What reality? What 5x the money? Both bets were $30. Both bets are exactly the same in all respects once a point of 6 or 8 is established.
One bet has the benefit of $5 on the come out winning on a 7 or 11 and losing on a 2, 3 or 12. Thats more ways to win than lose.
Yawn. Next.
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Looks like you and Mr. Mendelson went to the same "dodgeball" school of post distortion. The thread is about the 6 or 8 point not come rolls or did you miss that too?
tuttigym
Quote: tuttigymQuote: unJonQuote: tuttigymQuote: unJonOn a $5 table what does a $5 PL with $25 odds pay vs a $30 PB? For a 6 or 8.
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Nice dodge. Why not come up with a plausible explanation of the reality posted, So one has to put up 5X the money just to match another bet that still defies the HE or SD? Welcome to the Ace2/unJon School of Craps Math.
tuttigym
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What reality? What 5x the money? Both bets were $30. Both bets are exactly the same in all respects once a point of 6 or 8 is established.
One bet has the benefit of $5 on the come out winning on a 7 or 11 and losing on a 2, 3 or 12. Thats more ways to win than lose.
Yawn. Next.
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Looks like you and Mr. Mendelson went to the same "dodgeball" school of post distortion. The thread is about the 6 or 8 point not come rolls or did you miss that too?
tuttigym
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Not at all. I understand math. And my response was about the 6/8 point. It includes come out rolls. Or do you not understand what a point is?
I understand you like to ignore the profit a pass line bet gets on the come out. I dont really care to convince you that you should change your ways.
But youre wrong to ignore it. Its part of the bet.
Carry on my wayward son.
Quote: daveyandersen1ah yes JOEMAN the good old days . I learned to play this way . I still remember those YELLOW $1 chips at THE UNION PLAZA...
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Quote: unJonI doQuote: Ace27 to 6 must be the strangest payout ratio in the casino. Who bets in multiples of six? What casino has $6 chips?
It should be 11 to 10. Ten is a common divisor and also this would make the vig 4.55% which is comparable to the sucker vigs of the other place bets: 5/9 (4%) and 4/10 (6.67%).
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I dont know anyone that places a 4/10. And many places now take the vig on win only.
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Quote: daveyandersen1Quote: unJonI do and so do alot of playersQuote: Ace27 to 6 must be the strangest payout ratio in the casino. Who bets in multiples of six? What casino has $6 chips?
It should be 11 to 10. Ten is a common divisor and also this would make the vig 4.55% which is comparable to the sucker vigs of the other place bets: 5/9 (4%) and 4/10 (6.67%).
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I dont know anyone that places a 4/10. And many places now take the vig on win only.
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Quote: daveyandersen1Quote: daveyandersen1Quote: unJonI do and so do alot of playersQuote: Ace27 to 6 must be the strangest payout ratio in the casino. Who bets in multiples of six? What casino has $6 chips?
It should be 11 to 10. Ten is a common divisor and also this would make the vig 4.55% which is comparable to the sucker vigs of the other place bets: 5/9 (4%) and 4/10 (6.67%).
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I dont know anyone that places a 4/10. And many places now take the vig on win only.
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Why would you place the 4/10 vs buy it?
Because many casinos have a minimum of $20 to buy them.Quote: unJonWhy would you place the 4/10 vs buy it?
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Quote: DJTeddyBearBecause many casinos have a minimum of $20 to buy them.Quote: unJonWhy would you place the 4/10 vs buy it?
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Ah, got it.
History.Quote: DeMangoSo how does this translate to $10 place bets on 3&11 paying $27 and $10 place bets on 2 & 12 paying $55? (Using put bets)
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Placing the horn numbers is only offered on Crapless Craps - which is a relatively new invention.
Put bets are one of the oldest additions to the game. Somewhere later, and well before Crapless was introduced, Place bets became common. So common that some casinos dont even allow Put bets anymore.
So on Crapless, its just a matter of the math and not a correlation to Put bets.
Quote: DJTeddyBearBecause many casinos have a minimum of $20 to buy them.Quote: unJonWhy would you place the 4/10 vs buy it?
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You may not be able to buy it but you can still place the 4 and 10 after the come out roll.
The placed 4/10 would pay slightly less than a buy on the 4/10.
But in both cases when you bet late on the come out and the point is 4 or 10 the pay is better with a place or a buy and not a late passline bet.
If anyone is unfamiliar with this ask at your casino....
They'll be truth when I am doneQuote: unJon
Carry on my wayward son.
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Quote: unJonNot at all. I understand math. And my response was about the 6/8 point. It includes come out rolls. Or do you not understand what a point is?
I understand you like to ignore the profit a pass line bet gets on the come out. I dont really care to convince you that you should change your ways.
But youre wrong to ignore it. Its part of the bet.
Carry on my wayward son.
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My original post was specific and ACCURATE. You apparently failed to comprehend its total scope, so you inserted your own set of facts to change the narrative and move the goalposts. If you really read the post you would see that I did NOT "ignore" the PL bet. It was made and the dice were tossed and the point established. Your problem is that you and Ace2 cannot adequately explain the absolute fact that a PB can outperform the PL+odds and shoot down your "establishment" positioning. Your dismissive attitude and lack of candor is truly unbecoming and points to a lack of credibility most every honest reader can see.
tuttigym
Quote: Ace2They'll be truth when I am doneQuote: unJon
Carry on my wayward son.
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More crickets.
tuttigym
Apparently you missed my post from a few hours ago where I show how I win $1000 on a passline bet plus odds vs your $35 winnings by placing the 8Quote: tuttigymQuote: Ace2They'll be truth when I am doneQuote: unJon
Carry on my wayward son.
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More crickets.
tuttigym
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Quote: tuttigymQuote: unJonNot at all. I understand math. And my response was about the 6/8 point. It includes come out rolls. Or do you not understand what a point is?
I understand you like to ignore the profit a pass line bet gets on the come out. I dont really care to convince you that you should change your ways.
But youre wrong to ignore it. Its part of the bet.
Carry on my wayward son.
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My original post was specific and ACCURATE. You apparently failed to comprehend its total scope, so you inserted your own set of facts to change the narrative and move the goalposts. If you really read the post you would see that I did NOT "ignore" the PL bet. It was made and the dice were tossed and the point established. Your problem is that you and Ace2 cannot adequately explain the absolute fact that a PB can outperform the PL+odds and shoot down your "establishment" positioning. Your dismissive attitude and lack of candor is truly unbecoming and points to a lack of credibility most every honest reader can see.
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I have trouble taking your posts seriously. Of course there are series of rolls where a PB outperforms a PL with odds bet. Ive never said otherwise.
Read my signature line. Sums it all up really.
