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AlanMendelson
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October 10th, 2021 at 2:59:21 AM permalink
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Gordon has tried to present a case for Alan's account to be literally true. ]

This was attempted many times. One must go back and read. Alan seems to resist anything other than some random roller legitimately rolled 18 yo's in a row.

IE: Alan, Perhaps the dice were loaded.
Only then was it mentioned that the stick man rattled them around a bit with the stick.
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You really need to review the original thread AND what I posted tonight about how the dice might have been off balance.
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October 10th, 2021 at 3:06:11 AM permalink
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Thank you for writing the caution above, Once Dear. But why don't you just put an end to this. I have.

You have not put an end to it. You made the 18Yos claim. You own it. You have no need to defend it.

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I am being attacked because I can believe MDawg's claims. I guess I have an open mind. As a journalist I was taught to have an open mind. I was also taught to report and not to judge. I also know that things happen that not only push the envelope but break the envelope.

You use the word 'I' almost as often as I do $:o)
Don't you see that you, your cognitive ability, your memory, your credibility are inseparable from the claim. That's somewhat unfortunate and makes moderation of this topic difficult.

We could say that 'As a journalist' you were trained to write exciting headlines and sell lots of sensational editorials, to grow audience. Let's not get into defending the whole journalist profession, or your choice of that profession.

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As an example, who ever thought casinos in Las Vegas would close their doors for weeks at a time? Well... no one did which is why many Vegas casinos weren't built with doors that could NOT be locked!

A bit of bad design there, from unprepared managers and fools. But they were only human and no doubt did cost/benefit analysis.
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I am disappointed that the moderators have allowed discussions from another forum to be brought here for no other reason than to try to discredit me. And these discussions in another forum have NOTHING to do about the 18 yos AND NOTHING to do with my position about MDawg's posts. These discussions from another forum were ONLY made here to discredit, belittle and dishonor me.
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Valid point, but this wasn't exactly fresh drama from that other forum. That other forum used to be a facet of your journalism career, wasn't it?
I've referred this 'complaint' to Wizard and the other mods for our deliberation.
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AlanMendelson
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October 10th, 2021 at 3:24:08 AM permalink
Let me make this clear. I made no claim regarding Mdawg. I don't know who he is, I never saw him play.

All I have said is that I have an open mind to what he has said.

No one has provided any proof that what he has posted is false. NO ONE.

Stop attacking me for having an open mind.

There is NO connection whatsoever between what I saw at Caesars and what Mdawg has posted.

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Regarding the other forum. That discussion came up AFTER I gave the forum to Todd Witteles and I no longer was an owner, moderator or had any control over its content. I was only a participant.

I havent posted there or even visited that forum in a very, very long time. I dont know if it still exists.
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October 10th, 2021 at 3:36:25 AM permalink
Once Dear I do want to comment on this from your post above:

"We could say that 'As a journalist' you were trained to write exciting headlines and sell lots of sensational editorials, to grow audience."

I was well trained. And the first three rules of journalism that I was trained to follow were:

1. Accuracy
2. Accuracy
3. Accuracy

What you see now when you watch CNN, MSNBC, Fox, Newsmax is not journalism but opinion masquerading as journalism.
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October 10th, 2021 at 3:45:32 AM permalink
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I havent posted there or even visited that forum in a very, very long time. I dont know if it still exists.
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I'm not calling you a liar.
It's a very, very long time since you posted there in June
116 days by my reckoning.

Everything's relative.

You really don't know if it still exists?
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October 10th, 2021 at 4:01:41 AM permalink
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Gordon has tried to present a case for Alan's account to be literally true. ]

This was attempted many times. One must go back and read. Alan seems to resist anything other than some random roller legitimately rolled 18 yo's in a row.

IE: Alan, Perhaps the dice were loaded.
Only then was it mentioned that the stick man rattled them around a bit with the stick.
link to original post



You really need to review the original thread AND what I posted tonight about how the dice might have been off balance.
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I would love to. Link please.
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October 10th, 2021 at 4:23:10 AM permalink
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Excuse me, Mr Moderator. Do you think repeating what your son tells you is making an outrageous claim?

Do you even know what that original discussion was about? No you don't.

The original discussion was about how could someone lose all of their winnings after a big win. The point was my son had $20,000 of W2Gs but finished the night with a net loss. THAT is what the discussion was really about.

For the record AGAIN my son came over to me after a night of playing (we were in different parts of Caesars) and told me he hit five single line royals of $4000 each but lost it all because after each royal he moved up in denomination.

In reality he only hit, if I remember now, two $4000 royals but he hit three other pays of about $4k each.

I did NOT challenge my son. He's my son, I'm his father, over the number of royals. He gave me the wrong info.

But the point of the story didnt change: he still finished the night with a net loss.

So did I make an outrageous claim? No I didnt.

Neither did I make an outrageous claim when I lost 20 $1 hands playing blackjack or when I said I saw three and possibly four craps shooters who I thought had controlled throws. What's outrageous about saying those things?

What's outrageous is that I've been insulted and trolled.
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I think the discussion was prompted after somebody ask a question about hitting two Royals and their current or future results of what was possible.

Yes, you were trying to make a point! Unfortunately, that point was trying to be made using incorrect information. I was absolutely certain this information was incorrect. I clarified and reclarified multiple times... FIVE SINGLE-LINE ROYALS IN ONE DAY. No funny games, no multiple lines, or wild card BS. You continued to say it happened. I wasn't even really arguing the AND lost once the multiple denominations was a factor, I didn't care about all that, it was the 5 royals I was certain absolutely didn't happen.
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October 10th, 2021 at 4:28:34 AM permalink
well, there certainly is some irony that Mr. 888 is the one who decided to start a thread that is so likely to result in multiple ejections

I would think it would be possible to write a rule that no one should make a post about probability and have it connected to some member's credibility. The 18 YOs should be strictly off limits

You could discuss probability of course, just not in this connection [if I made the rules]

and nothing about pot roasting either
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October 10th, 2021 at 4:48:51 AM permalink
I just wasted a bunch of minutes reading Axel/AM back and forth. As to the title of this thread…. 18 yo’s in a row DID NOT HAPPEN. 60 BJ wins in a row DID NOT HAPPEN. Exactly why a poster would make such claims is really the topic for discussion.
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October 10th, 2021 at 4:49:52 AM permalink
When the entire 18 yo's originally came up on the other forum, my offering was that someone, presumably the house, had accidentally inserted weighted dice onto the table. My supposition, and it doesn't really matter if it was 15 or 16 or 18 yo's, the odds being so long, was that it was the only Ockham's Razor explanation.

Could such a thing happen, the house accidentally inserting rigged dice that were usually employed to guarantee results under other circumstances? I don't see why not. And I'm not saying the dice would be rigged for the house; certainly there have been occasions when the house rigs events for specific players.

I'm always sensitive to the possibility of events like this. Las Vegas has more top notch magicians than any other city in the world. Mechanics exist. Rigged dice exist. I would think it quite likely, for example, that if someone were identifiably mugging various card games on a consistent basis for high stakes, eventually he would run into a mechanic so skilled that he'd make Penn and Teller look like five-thumbed amateurs.
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