Q: Does the house take either of those bets down and return them to me? Or do they ride on through an after-point 12? Thanks.

Quote:SouthHillHankI have been searching, but can't find an answer to this Q. I want to understand what effect a 12 has on don't come bets that have traveled to their number. Example: While playing don't pass, point is established. Then I make a don't come bet, which travels to it's number. Now, with the two DC bets on the table, the shooter rolls a 12.

Q: Does the house take either of those bets down and return them to me? Or do they ride on through an after-point 12? Thanks.

Ride on thru.

Similarly, wagers on Pass and Come have the very respectable expected return of 1952/1980.

Wagers on Odds have the perfect expected return of 1980/1980.

Combinations of these wagers can be used to form mathematically optimal strategies.

make a place bet on the point and you can guarantee yourself a small profit - if you size the place bet correctly -

of course, this is not a winning system

you're still at a disadvantage on the come out roll

but if you're playing recreationally it could be fun. again, just my opinion

Quote:lilredroosterone of the (IMO) most interesting strategies after a point has been established on a don't come bet is this:

make a place bet on the point and you can guarantee yourself a small profit - if you size the place bet correctly -

of course, this is not a winning system

you're still at a disadvantage on the come out roll

but if you're playing recreationally it could be fun. again, just my opinion

You’re better off not doing that....recreationally or not. The money will last longer without the hedge.

You want to hedge a Don't Pass / Don't Come bet?

Are you aware that you can simply take it down / no action?

Here's why you don't want to do either:

One the initial roll, you've got a 3/36 chance of a win, 8/36 chance of a loss, 1/36 chance of a 12 for a push. That leaves 24/36 chance for a number, which you'll either hedge or take down, which is essentially the same as a push.

Add it all up, and you're playing at a 5/36 loss. That's a 13.9% edge!

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You want to hedge a Don't Pass / Don't Come bet?

Are you aware that you can simply take it down / no action?

Here's why you don't want to do either:

One the initial roll, you've got a 3/36 chance of a win, 8/36 chance of a loss, 1/36 chance of a 12 for a push. That leaves 24/36 chance for a number, which you'll either hedge or take down, which is essentially the same as a push.

Add it all up, and you're playing at a 5/36 loss. That's a 13.9% edge!

There are some players who for whatever reason wave off action on dc 6 or 8. We all know this is stupid, but if they are so pigheaded to continue doing this, they should definitely let the dc travel and then make a corresponding place bet to ensure a break even at worst and a small profit at best. I suggested this to one of these guys once and learned my lesson about giving betting advice on the craps table.

Was he winning or losing? That could make a big difference.Quote:wilbsmittThere are some players who for whatever reason wave off action on dc 6 or 8. We all know this is stupid, but if they are so pigheaded to continue doing this, they should definitely let the dc travel and then make a corresponding place bet to ensure a break even at worst and a small profit at best. I suggested this to one of these guys once and learned my lesson about giving betting advice on the craps table.

Quote:SanchoPanzaWas he winning or losing? That could make a big difference.

It was one of those tables where everyone was just treading water. From that point on I make it a habit not to give unsolicited advice.