SouthHillHank
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May 13th, 2020 at 12:18:24 PM permalink
I have been searching, but can't find an answer to this Q. I want to understand what effect a 12 has on don't come bets that have traveled to their number. Example: While playing don't pass, point is established. Then I make a don't come bet, which travels to it's number. Now, with the two DC bets on the table, the shooter rolls a 12.

Q: Does the house take either of those bets down and return them to me? Or do they ride on through an after-point 12? Thanks.
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May 13th, 2020 at 12:43:27 PM permalink
Quote: SouthHillHank

I have been searching, but can't find an answer to this Q. I want to understand what effect a 12 has on don't come bets that have traveled to their number. Example: While playing don't pass, point is established. Then I make a don't come bet, which travels to it's number. Now, with the two DC bets on the table, the shooter rolls a 12.

Q: Does the house take either of those bets down and return them to me? Or do they ride on through an after-point 12? Thanks.


Ride on thru.
SouthHillHank
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May 13th, 2020 at 1:03:20 PM permalink
I was thinking the free games out there were neglecting to take them down. Seems like a DP with odds and one or two DC with odds would be solid way to win, as long as the table stays relatively cold.
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May 14th, 2020 at 12:13:15 AM permalink
Each game of Don't Pass and Don't Come is completely independent of all others. Ongoing games are not affected by new games and also are not affected by rolls of craps numbers. A roll of Twelve is neutral for a new Don't game. That same roll is irrelevant for any ongoing Don't games in which Points have been established.
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May 14th, 2020 at 12:27:46 AM permalink
Wagers on Don't Pass and Don't Come have the very respectable expected return of 1953/1980.

Similarly, wagers on Pass and Come have the very respectable expected return of 1952/1980.

Wagers on Odds have the perfect expected return of 1980/1980.

Combinations of these wagers can be used to form mathematically optimal strategies.
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May 14th, 2020 at 7:12:17 AM permalink
one of the (IMO) most interesting strategies after a point has been established on a don't come bet is this:

make a place bet on the point and you can guarantee yourself a small profit - if you size the place bet correctly -

of course, this is not a winning system

you're still at a disadvantage on the come out roll

but if you're playing recreationally it could be fun. again, just my opinion
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May 14th, 2020 at 8:04:17 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

one of the (IMO) most interesting strategies after a point has been established on a don't come bet is this:

make a place bet on the point and you can guarantee yourself a small profit - if you size the place bet correctly -

of course, this is not a winning system

you're still at a disadvantage on the come out roll

but if you're playing recreationally it could be fun. again, just my opinion


Youíre better off not doing that....recreationally or not. The money will last longer without the hedge.
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May 14th, 2020 at 12:29:49 PM permalink
Wait a sec...

You want to hedge a Don't Pass / Don't Come bet?

Are you aware that you can simply take it down / no action?

Here's why you don't want to do either:

One the initial roll, you've got a 3/36 chance of a win, 8/36 chance of a loss, 1/36 chance of a 12 for a push. That leaves 24/36 chance for a number, which you'll either hedge or take down, which is essentially the same as a push.

Add it all up, and you're playing at a 5/36 loss. That's a 13.9% edge!
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May 15th, 2020 at 9:37:51 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Wait a sec...

You want to hedge a Don't Pass / Don't Come bet?

Are you aware that you can simply take it down / no action?

Here's why you don't want to do either:

One the initial roll, you've got a 3/36 chance of a win, 8/36 chance of a loss, 1/36 chance of a 12 for a push. That leaves 24/36 chance for a number, which you'll either hedge or take down, which is essentially the same as a push.

Add it all up, and you're playing at a 5/36 loss. That's a 13.9% edge!



There are some players who for whatever reason wave off action on dc 6 or 8. We all know this is stupid, but if they are so pigheaded to continue doing this, they should definitely let the dc travel and then make a corresponding place bet to ensure a break even at worst and a small profit at best. I suggested this to one of these guys once and learned my lesson about giving betting advice on the craps table.
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May 15th, 2020 at 10:36:04 AM permalink
Quote: wilbsmitt

There are some players who for whatever reason wave off action on dc 6 or 8. We all know this is stupid, but if they are so pigheaded to continue doing this, they should definitely let the dc travel and then make a corresponding place bet to ensure a break even at worst and a small profit at best. I suggested this to one of these guys once and learned my lesson about giving betting advice on the craps table.

Was he winning or losing? That could make a big difference.

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