Imagine a "field bet" where 3 dice are thrown.

Scenario #1:

- Players win when the numbers total 3-8 or 13-18. (12 winning combinations) Both #3 & #18 pays double.

- Players lose if the dice total 9-12 (4 losing combinations)

Scenario #2:

- Players win when the numbers total 3-7 or 14-18. (10 winning combinations) Both #3 & #8 pays double (maybe even triple)

- Players lose if the dice total 8-13 (6 losing combinations).

This is for a game that will be offered at a charity fundraising event, however, it is a real money wager.

Quote:Riva1This may sound crazy, but just play along with me for a minute.

Imagine a "field bet" where 3 dice are thrown.

Scenario #1:

- Players win when the numbers total 3-8 or 13-18. (12 winning combinations) Both #3 & #18 pays double.

- Players lose if the dice total 9-12 (4 losing combinations)

Scenario #2:

- Players win when the numbers total 3-7 or 14-18. (10 winning combinations) Both #3 & #8 pays double (maybe even triple)

- Players lose if the dice total 8-13 (6 losing combinations).

This is for a game that will be offered at a charity fundraising event, however, it is a real money wager.

Scenario 1: if I worked it out correctly has a 4.6...% player edge (in other words, bad for the charity)

Haven't looked at the numbers for Scenario 2, but I would expect it to have a house edge, *likely, even with "triple pay on 3 and 18"

agreeQuote:ksdjdjScenario 1: if I worked it out correctly has a 4.6...% player edge (in other words, bad for the charity)

House edge over 33%. Lose probability over 66%Quote:ksdjdjHaven't looked at the numbers for Scenario 2, but I would expect it to have a house edge, *likely, even with "triple pay on 3 and 18"

make 8 a winner (9-13 a loss) at about 14% house edge (depending on 2x or 3x pay) and a 58% lose probability

A game like this would probably never be offered in a real casino. However, at charity gambling events, for real; money, I could see people being attracted to this game.

I'd post a pic, however, I do not see how that is a feature of this website.

You probably want to keep the variance*** low if it is over a day or a weekend, but what kind of house edge are you looking for?

***: I probably won't be able to help you work this out, but I think you generally want to keep the odds as close to "even money" as possible (but still keep it "fun , exciting" etc).

Quote:ksdjdjI agree with 7craps, Scenario 2 would have about a 33.3% house edge, paying 3/1 on 3 and 18.

You probably want to keep the variance*** low if it is over a day or a weekend, but what kind of house edge are you looking for?

***: I probably won't be able to help you work this out, but I think you generally want to keep the odds as close to "even money" as possible (but still keep it "fun , exciting" etc).

I am not uncomfortable with a 33% house/edge. At events such as these, neither are the players.

What is important to remember, and I have been doing this for decades, is that "if" the sponsoring organization is willing to engage in a "real money" and "at-risk" activity, they must structure each and every game heavily in favor of the house. Why? It is because they are only open for business for 8 hours, for 1 day per year. The real casino is open 24/7/365. A casino will always recover the losses. The charity cannot.

When I started doing this years ago, an old-timer came up to me and handed me a piece of paper listing four "rules". This is what the letter read:

Rule #1.

The casino wins by always staying within its mathematical guardrails

Rule # 2

By allowing a player to gamble beyond the table’s limit, the house is at an instantaneous disadvantage

Rule #3

The reason that a time-limited house has not pulled in a profit is that it is not open long enough to take advantage of its mathematical advantage

Rule #4. The house must create, maintain, & leverage its mathematical advantage for the few hours & days that it is open

Pretty smart, eh?

Just read your above post.

Quote:GialmereObviously you can customize the pay table however you want. For a charity event, where people know their losses are essentially donations to the cause, I'd recommend an HE in the 7%-10% range. That way people will at least get some entertainment for their money while still having a chance of winning, all while pretty much guaranteeing the charity makes money. Just be careful with your min/max bet range.

Absolutely good advice.

Here in Michigan, the state just changed the number of chips that some organizations can sell to players from $15,000 per day, to $80,000 per day. That is HUGE for us because we would often sell out the $15k during the first hour. If you can't sell chips to players, new players will not come into the room and current players, unable to re-stock, will go home.

We have absolutely no intention of increasing our wager limits as a result of the chip sales limit. Rather, we plan to keep everything the same, i.e., "maximum bets, payouts, etc." However, now that we can sell $80,000 in chips per day, we are going to open up our room at noon (versus 6:00 p.m.) and allow players to purchase up to $500 chips at the cage per visit.