Has anyone seen this table install?
1) Will the casino treat it like a true table game (it does use physical dice and players are the ones shooting the dice)?
2) If not, will they treat it like Bubble Craps or Shoot to Win meaning any payouts (original bet plus win) equal to or greater than $1,200 is treated like a hand pay and triggers a W2G?
Thanks in advance for any responses.
It wasn't popular and many said that the game was very much slower than real craps and difficult for one stickman to handle.
Does the stick lock the player terminals and call “No More Bets”, or is it on a timer like Bubble craps?
Does the machine “read” the results, or does the stick need to enter the results of each throw?
How do tips work?
It looks fun, like playing craps in a science fiction film.
Quote: GialmereThis (cued) video discusses the table surface...
It looks fun, like playing craps in a science fiction film.
Cuts down on Dealer errors. Wonder if they use quarters to make the $25 buy bets not a better deal.
Quote: AyecarumbaIs the bottom of the tub solid plexiglass? How does it prevent sliding the dice so they don’t tumble?
It is some form of plexiglass that has enough friction to cause the dice to tumble rather than slide. However, there is some sliding possible from what I've seen.
The bounce is more like that of a very hard felt surface than any kind of softer/bouncy table surfaces out there.
Quote:Does the stick lock the player terminals and call “No More Bets”, or is it on a timer like Bubble craps?
It's on a timer, snooze you lose. If you place the wrong bet I'm not sure what the procedure is for stopping the sequence and getting the timer to start over and allow a bet readjustment. Unlike traditional craps, you can lose a lot of money by moving that black chip with a clumsy fingertip to the wrong prop bet, etc. If that happens, do you yell at the one dealer or the shooter to "STOP, I NEED TO REMOVE A BET!!" ???
If you're playing alone, it is annoying to have to wait for the timers to do their thing before you are allowed to shoot.
Quote:Does the machine “read” the results, or does the stick need to enter the results of each throw?
Good question, I didn't notice. Maybe someone else can say for sure. If the die lands so it is partially on the pyramid wall and part on the plexiglass, would a machine be able to correctly determine on which plane(result) the die would come to rest?
Quote:How do tips work?
I didn't see a screen button but the screen is highly cluttered with all the betting stuff and I may have just missed it.
Quote: AyecarumbaDoes the machine “read” the results, or does the stick need to enter the results of each throw?
How do tips work?
The stick enters the number - I assume this also allows the stick to change the numbers to the matching card values in places like California that have to use "card craps"
Tips are entered by the player on the player's screen
http://www.crapsforum.com/threads/why-does-1200-send-the-alarm-for-the-tax-brigade.11375/
since there's a dealer, im going to assume it gets treated as a table game and not a slot.Quote: sltploppyI was at my local this evening and saw a new type of Craps table installation that I had never seen before. Basically it was laid out like a traditional craps table however it uses no chips. Each table position has a screen and bill acceptor (like a slot machine) where you put in your money along with where you enter your players card (also like a slot machine). You use the screen in order to make your bets (pass line/odds, come bets, place bets, any center action, field, etc.). The playing surface itself looks like glass and has a traditional layout display to it. The game does use physical dice and rules for shooting are same as traditional game. The only person working the game is the stick and they are positioned where a box person would be at in a traditional game (given this you can probably see the casino incentive for this install). I was wondering if anyone is familiar with this install and some of the rules:
1) Will the casino treat it like a true table game (it does use physical dice and players are the ones shooting the dice)?
2) If not, will they treat it like Bubble Craps or Shoot to Win meaning any payouts (original bet plus win) equal to or greater than $1,200 is treated like a hand pay and triggers a W2G?
Thanks in advance for any responses.
thus $1200 limit doesnt apply.
only the greater than 300 to 1 odds *AND* winning over $5000 will get you a w2-g. (both conditions must be met)
Quote: 100xOddssince there's a dealer, im going to assume it gets treated as a table game and not a slot.
thus $1200 limit doesnt apply.
only the greater than 300 to 1 odds *AND* winning over $5000 will get you a w2-g. (both conditions must be met)
That's for 24% withholding. It only has to be $600 for a 300-to-1 or higher odds bet to generate a W-2G.
I like the sidebet for long rollers though.
I'm assuming that casinos or the IRS are unable to agree that this is a table game simply because it has a TITO. It's really gonna suck when I'm on a progression and then my terminal locks up after every roll that I'm winning more than the trigger amount.
interesting... the cruise ship i was on didnt interpret it that way.Quote: ThatDonGuyThat's for 24% withholding.
It only has to be $600 for a 300-to-1 or higher odds bet to generate a W-2G.
(cruise was from Florida to the Caribbean.)
Lady hit the Royal in UTH (500 to 1). She had $10 on the Blind bet so $500 x 10 = $5000.
casino mgmt said you get a w2-g only if it's over 300 to 1 odds *AND* the amount is over $5000. (ie: $5000.01)
So she didnt get one.
And they probably wont report it behind her back because 1) casino mgmt seems customer friendly and 2) she wasnt playing with her card.
room key doubles as players card but she didnt carry it since her sister was with her. (the sister was playing in the next seat.)
i can verify that the casino does give out w2-g's because i got one for playing video poker.
Quote: 100xOddsinteresting... the cruise ship i was on didnt interpret it that way.
The IRS does.
Note that it is only "more than the amount," rather than "the amount or more," when it is the $5000 amounts for generating a W-2G from a poker tournament or for the 24% withholding on a 300-to-1 or higher odds bet.
Quote: 100xOddssince there's a dealer, im going to assume it gets treated as a table game and not a slot.
thus $1200 limit doesnt apply.
only the greater than 300 to 1 odds *AND* winning over $5000 will get you a w2-g. (both conditions must be met)
It is treated as a slot, the highest payout is 100 to one for having a bonus bet and rolling 100 numbers including comeout rolls.
yes, actually about four "slabs" of plexiglass with strips installed to prevent sliding. Tips must be hand ins. Popular methods are cash and low value tickets.Quote: AyecarumbaIs the bottom of the tub solid plexiglass? How do tips work?
Dog Hand
Quote: DogHandL'auberge Lake Charles has one of these tables.
Dog Hand
Think the first install was in North Carolina. Are there any tables operating in Vegas?
Quote: DeMangoIt is treated as a slot, the highest payout is 100 to one for having a bonus bet and rolling 100 numbers including comeout rolls.
Correction 50 rolls pays 100-1
Quote: DeMangoThink the first install was in North Carolina. Are there any tables operating in Vegas?
None that I’m aware of. It was supposed to be installed at O’Sheas a couple years ago. I don’t believe it ever happened.
Quote: TDVegasNone that I’m aware of. It was supposed to be installed at O’Sheas a couple years ago. I don’t believe it ever happened.
Thanks TD. I was tempted to go to CF to ask you this question!
