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I put $30 on the Don't Pass. Next is the Come Out roll. A 6 rolls and becomes the point.
Next I put $30 on the Don't Come. The next roll is a 5--I move the Don't Come $30 to the 5.
Again I put $30 on the Don't Come and the next roll is a 4, so I move the $30 to the 4.
So now I have three numbers in play.
The next roll is 6 (the point) so I lose my $30 on the 6, and the Puck goes to off. Now I've only got two numbers in action and I want a third. So I put another $30 on the Don't Come, and the next roll is a 7. I know I lose my Don't Come $30, but my confusion has to do with the 4 and the 5, each with $30.
Do I lose these, or do I win $30 on the 4, and $30 on the 5? I think I win these because even though the Puck is off, those numbers are active, and the Come Out 7 came before the 4 and the 5.
Am I thinking correctly?
Thanks for your imput---
Dick
By the way, you can't bet DC on the come-out roll as in your example. The bet would be on the DP and would lose on the winner-7 at the same time your bets against the 4 and 5 would win on that same roll.
I realize some tables have a $10 minimum so double odds would be good, yet other tables will have a $25 minimum so you may not have a budget for odds.
Probably not since you are still not being precise in your terminology.Quote: 90crapsplayer66
Am I thinking correctly?
You are still not differentiating between a bet and an additional sum you wager as an odds bet.
You seem to be confused between turning the odds bets off and on and turning the underlying bets off and on.
7 is ALWAYS most likely to roll. Once your Don'tBet survives its initial roll, it is in your advantage.
Contract bets are just that, contracts,
Odds bets can be turned on and off but rarely should be.
Quote: 90crapsplayer66I put $30 on the Don't Pass. Next is the Come Out roll. A 6 rolls and becomes the point.
Next I put $30 on the Don't Come. The next roll is a 5--I move the Don't Come $30 to the 5.
Again I put $30 on the Don't Come and the next roll is a 4, so I move the $30 to the 4.
So now I have three numbers in play.
The next roll is 6 (the point) so I lose my $30 on the 6, and the Puck goes to off.
I see this:
New game started
Beginning bankroll: $1000
------New shooter coming out----------
$30 bet on Don't Pass
Roll #1: 6
Point established
$30 bet on Don't Come
Roll #2: 5
$30 Don't Come bet moved to Don't Come 5
$30 bet on Don't Come
Roll #3: 4
$30 Don't Come bet moved to Don't Come 4
Roll #4: 6
Pass (point rolled)
Don't Pass bet lost $30
Bankroll decreased to $970 ($30 loss)
The DC (don't come bet) is a SELF-SERVICE bet. You make the bet yourself (or ask the dealer for help placing it)
once a point number is then rolled on the very next roll, the DEALER moves the DC bet to the don't come #, you are NOT ALLOWED to move that bet.
sure you can call 'no action' on it IF the number rolled is NOT a {2,3,7,11,12}
as pointed out THIS IS AN ERROR.Quote: 90crapsplayer66Now I've only got two numbers in action and I want a third.
So I put another $30 on the Don't Come,
on the come out roll one can NOT make a don't come bet. the Dealer should be correcting you right there (IF paying attention the layout instead of looking someplace else. BIG Boobs comes to mind)
correctQuote: 90crapsplayer66and the next roll is a 7.
I know I lose my Don't PASS $30,
a DC4 and a DC5 will win on ANY 7.Quote: 90crapsplayer66but my confusion has to do with the 4 and the 5, each with $30.
many get these 2 bets confused and think they are ONE bet, and they aint.
the DC (don't come) is a different bet then the DC4, DC5, DC6, DC8, DC9, DC10 bet.
think about it and what is the difference.
Quote: 90crapsplayer66Do I lose these, or do I win $30 on the 4, and $30 on the 5? I think I win these because even though the Puck is off, those numbers are active, and the Come Out 7 came before the 4 and the 5.
Thanks
You addressed my "terminology" issue again. Let me clarify for you that when playing the Don't , you wrote "an additional sum you wager as an odds bet." This terminology in incorrect. You should have said "an additional sum you wager as a LAY bet" --not odds bet.
Also, you really are not addressing my question. No where in my question am I asking about making a "Lay" bet. No where in my question am I asking about "turning the odds bet (should be lay bet) off and on and turning the underlying bets off and on."
"7 is ALWAYS most likely to roll. Once your Don't bet survives its initial roll, it in your advantage. " I didn't ask this question but I do agree with you that I'm ahead on the Come Out roll when I get any number other than a 7 or 11.
My question has to do with what happens to the 4 and 5 Don't bets when on the Come Out roll the Point 6 rolls, so I lose the 6 bet, and the Puck goes to the off position. Now the question: On the next Come Out roll the 7 rolls...Do I win both the $30 on the 4, and on the 5, or do I lose these bets
Dick
Very clear and helpful.
I'm thinking about your question. You said " think about it and what is the difference." Well, I see the DC bar is a non-specific "number-to be" dependent on the Come Out roll. The DC4, DC 5, DC 6, DC 8, DC9, DC10, are specific numbers which all will win if a 7 rolls before they roll.
We don't want the 7 or 11 to roll when we're on the DC bar. After a point is set, we want to see a 7 roll. (I'm thinking you're looking for a different answer---not sure I've answered your question)
Quote: 90crapsplayer66FleaStiff,
You addressed my "terminology" issue again. Let me clarify for you that when playing the Don't , you wrote "an additional sum you wager as an odds bet." This terminology in incorrect. You should have said "an additional sum you wager as a LAY bet" --not odds bet.
Also, you really are not addressing my question. No where in my question am I asking about making a "Lay" bet. No where in my question am I asking about "turning the odds bet (should be lay bet) off and on and turning the underlying bets off and on."
"7 is ALWAYS most likely to roll. Once your Don't bet survives its initial roll, it in your advantage. " I didn't ask this question but I do agree with you that I'm ahead on the Come Out roll when I get any number other than a 7 or 11.
My question has to do with what happens to the 4 and 5 Don't bets when on the Come Out roll the Point 6 rolls, so I lose the 6 bet, and the Puck goes to the off position. Now the question: On the next Come Out roll the 7 rolls...Do I win both the $30 on the 4, and on the 5, or do I lose these bets
Dick
You still seem to be a little confused.
When you make a Don't Come bet and a point number is rolled, you have the opportunity to "lay the odds" against that number if you choose. Your original post didn't mention odds, but laying the odds is different than a lay bet.
Say you make a DC bet of $30 and the next roll is 4. On a standard 3-4-5 odds table, you can now lay the odds with a maximum of $180 to win $90.
Note that if instead of making the DC bet, you simply wanted to lay the four. This is the opposite of a buy bet and if you wanted to win $90 you'd have to lay $184. If you do win and want to leave the bet up, it would be another $4. Some casinos only charge commission on winning lay bets; in that case you would lay $180 to win $86.
The lay bet and laying the odds are not related, although they are similar.
Your original question is very simple. Any DC bets moved to numbers win on ANY 7, regardless of whether it's a come-out roll.
Quote: 90crapsplayer66...I think I win these because even though the Puck is off, those numbers are active, and the Come Out 7 came before the 4 and the 5.
Am I thinking correctly?
Dick
Yes.
