90crapsplayer66
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October 22nd, 2019 at 10:38:55 PM permalink
I should know this answer by now, but I'm not sure I do.....need your help please--Here's the scenario:

I put $30 on the Don't Pass. Next is the Come Out roll. A 6 rolls and becomes the point.
Next I put $30 on the Don't Come. The next roll is a 5--I move the Don't Come $30 to the 5.
Again I put $30 on the Don't Come and the next roll is a 4, so I move the $30 to the 4.
So now I have three numbers in play.

The next roll is 6 (the point) so I lose my $30 on the 6, and the Puck goes to off. Now I've only got two numbers in action and I want a third. So I put another $30 on the Don't Come, and the next roll is a 7. I know I lose my Don't Come $30, but my confusion has to do with the 4 and the 5, each with $30.

Do I lose these, or do I win $30 on the 4, and $30 on the 5? I think I win these because even though the Puck is off, those numbers are active, and the Come Out 7 came before the 4 and the 5.
Am I thinking correctly?

Thanks for your imput---
Dick
sodawater
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October 22nd, 2019 at 10:52:36 PM permalink
DC bets moved against numbers are always working unless called off -- and you should never call them off. They win on any 7, including the come-out roll.

By the way, you can't bet DC on the come-out roll as in your example. The bet would be on the DP and would lose on the winner-7 at the same time your bets against the 4 and 5 would win on that same roll.
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October 22nd, 2019 at 11:18:03 PM permalink
I'd only have 2 Don'ts up, and add odds if the 7's are hitting your DP or DC for a loss too much. Like I wait until the 2nd roll after the point gets established before I make a DC bet yet I still get slaughtered with 7's. I'll have to rely more on winning odds on points already established on the Don'ts because I keep getting whiplashed by 7's before the Don't point gets established.

I realize some tables have a $10 minimum so double odds would be good, yet other tables will have a $25 minimum so you may not have a budget for odds.
FleaStiff
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October 22nd, 2019 at 11:37:50 PM permalink
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Am I thinking correctly?

Probably not since you are still not being precise in your terminology.

You are still not differentiating between a bet and an additional sum you wager as an odds bet.

You seem to be confused between turning the odds bets off and on and turning the underlying bets off and on.

7 is ALWAYS most likely to roll. Once your Don'tBet survives its initial roll, it is in your advantage.

Contract bets are just that, contracts,

Odds bets can be turned on and off but rarely should be.
7craps
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October 23rd, 2019 at 7:42:24 AM permalink
Quote: 90crapsplayer66

I put $30 on the Don't Pass. Next is the Come Out roll. A 6 rolls and becomes the point.
Next I put $30 on the Don't Come. The next roll is a 5--I move the Don't Come $30 to the 5.
Again I put $30 on the Don't Come and the next roll is a 4, so I move the $30 to the 4.
So now I have three numbers in play.
The next roll is 6 (the point) so I lose my $30 on the 6, and the Puck goes to off.


I see this:
 New game started
Beginning bankroll: $1000
------New shooter coming out----------
$30 bet on Don't Pass
Roll #1: 6
Point established
$30 bet on Don't Come
Roll #2: 5
$30 Don't Come bet moved to Don't Come 5
$30 bet on Don't Come
Roll #3: 4
$30 Don't Come bet moved to Don't Come 4
Roll #4: 6
Pass (point rolled)
Don't Pass bet lost $30
Bankroll decreased to $970 ($30 loss)
so far so good. JUST ONE LARGE ERROR
The DC (don't come bet) is a SELF-SERVICE bet. You make the bet yourself (or ask the dealer for help placing it)
once a point number is then rolled on the very next roll, the DEALER moves the DC bet to the don't come #, you are NOT ALLOWED to move that bet.
sure you can call 'no action' on it IF the number rolled is NOT a {2,3,7,11,12}
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Now I've only got two numbers in action and I want a third.
So I put another $30 on the Don't Come,

as pointed out THIS IS AN ERROR.
on the come out roll one can NOT make a don't come bet. the Dealer should be correcting you right there (IF paying attention the layout instead of looking someplace else. BIG Boobs comes to mind)
Quote: 90crapsplayer66

and the next roll is a 7.
I know I lose my Don't PASS $30,

correct
Quote: 90crapsplayer66

but my confusion has to do with the 4 and the 5, each with $30.

a DC4 and a DC5 will win on ANY 7.
many get these 2 bets confused and think they are ONE bet, and they aint.
the DC (don't come) is a different bet then the DC4, DC5, DC6, DC8, DC9, DC10 bet.
think about it and what is the difference.

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Do I lose these, or do I win $30 on the 4, and $30 on the 5? I think I win these because even though the Puck is off, those numbers are active, and the Come Out 7 came before the 4 and the 5.

winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
90crapsplayer66
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October 23rd, 2019 at 9:09:34 AM permalink
Thanks sodawater---and, the other question you answered for me (even though I didn't ask) had to do with after a 7 rolled followed by a new Come Out, where my new $30 bet goes--to the Don't Pass (not the DC).
Thanks
90crapsplayer66
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October 23rd, 2019 at 10:39:56 AM permalink
FleaStiff,
You addressed my "terminology" issue again. Let me clarify for you that when playing the Don't , you wrote "an additional sum you wager as an odds bet." This terminology in incorrect. You should have said "an additional sum you wager as a LAY bet" --not odds bet.

Also, you really are not addressing my question. No where in my question am I asking about making a "Lay" bet. No where in my question am I asking about "turning the odds bet (should be lay bet) off and on and turning the underlying bets off and on."

"7 is ALWAYS most likely to roll. Once your Don't bet survives its initial roll, it in your advantage. " I didn't ask this question but I do agree with you that I'm ahead on the Come Out roll when I get any number other than a 7 or 11.

My question has to do with what happens to the 4 and 5 Don't bets when on the Come Out roll the Point 6 rolls, so I lose the 6 bet, and the Puck goes to the off position. Now the question: On the next Come Out roll the 7 rolls...Do I win both the $30 on the 4, and on the 5, or do I lose these bets

Dick
90crapsplayer66
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October 23rd, 2019 at 11:19:57 AM permalink
Thanks 7craps,
Very clear and helpful.

I'm thinking about your question. You said " think about it and what is the difference." Well, I see the DC bar is a non-specific "number-to be" dependent on the Come Out roll. The DC4, DC 5, DC 6, DC 8, DC9, DC10, are specific numbers which all will win if a 7 rolls before they roll.
We don't want the 7 or 11 to roll when we're on the DC bar. After a point is set, we want to see a 7 roll. (I'm thinking you're looking for a different answer---not sure I've answered your question)
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October 23rd, 2019 at 1:55:14 PM permalink
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FleaStiff,
You addressed my "terminology" issue again. Let me clarify for you that when playing the Don't , you wrote "an additional sum you wager as an odds bet." This terminology in incorrect. You should have said "an additional sum you wager as a LAY bet" --not odds bet.

Also, you really are not addressing my question. No where in my question am I asking about making a "Lay" bet. No where in my question am I asking about "turning the odds bet (should be lay bet) off and on and turning the underlying bets off and on."

"7 is ALWAYS most likely to roll. Once your Don't bet survives its initial roll, it in your advantage. " I didn't ask this question but I do agree with you that I'm ahead on the Come Out roll when I get any number other than a 7 or 11.

My question has to do with what happens to the 4 and 5 Don't bets when on the Come Out roll the Point 6 rolls, so I lose the 6 bet, and the Puck goes to the off position. Now the question: On the next Come Out roll the 7 rolls...Do I win both the $30 on the 4, and on the 5, or do I lose these bets

Dick



You still seem to be a little confused.

When you make a Don't Come bet and a point number is rolled, you have the opportunity to "lay the odds" against that number if you choose. Your original post didn't mention odds, but laying the odds is different than a lay bet.

Say you make a DC bet of $30 and the next roll is 4. On a standard 3-4-5 odds table, you can now lay the odds with a maximum of $180 to win $90.

Note that if instead of making the DC bet, you simply wanted to lay the four. This is the opposite of a buy bet and if you wanted to win $90 you'd have to lay $184. If you do win and want to leave the bet up, it would be another $4. Some casinos only charge commission on winning lay bets; in that case you would lay $180 to win $86.

The lay bet and laying the odds are not related, although they are similar.

Your original question is very simple. Any DC bets moved to numbers win on ANY 7, regardless of whether it's a come-out roll.
Calder
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October 23rd, 2019 at 4:48:47 PM permalink
He is neither laying odds, nor making a lay bet. The only time he even mentioned them was in a subsequent post pointing out Fleastiff's error.
Quote: 90crapsplayer66

...I think I win these because even though the Puck is off, those numbers are active, and the Come Out 7 came before the 4 and the 5.
Am I thinking correctly?

Dick



Yes.

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