FinsRule
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February 3rd, 2019 at 7:22:30 AM permalink
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They donít per my discussions with them. I also think itís a mistake to not have his son rated. Heís losing half the comps for the donít play. In my one experience, they are good about calculating comps and there is a casino service station on the floor with a computer and they look you up and tell you how many comps dollars you earned.



I can definitely see the issue with one playing pass for $100, one playing dp. No odds. Same last name.

The casino should frown upon giving big comps for that.
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February 3rd, 2019 at 7:34:30 AM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

I can definitely see the issue with one playing pass for $100, one playing dp. No odds. Same last name.

The casino should frown upon giving big comps for that.



Why should they frown on giving big comps for their play?

They are both playing bets with a house edge. Playing both of them, either alone or with someone else, does not change the house edge for each bet.
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February 3rd, 2019 at 7:42:28 AM permalink
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Why should they frown on giving big comps for their play?

They are both playing bets with a house edge. Playing both of them, either alone or with someone else, does not change the house edge for each bet.



Then their comps are too high.

Itís about a $30 per hour loss each. So if they play 4 hours each, casino should give them about $40-$50 in comps.

Not sure if it matters, but wizard does agree with me on this one.
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February 3rd, 2019 at 8:10:35 AM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Then their comps are too high.

Itís about a $30 per hour loss each. So if they play 4 hours each, casino should give them about $40-$50 in comps.

Not sure if it matters, but wizard does agree with me on this one.



I think it would take a lot of hours to get "big comps" at the level of play mentioned if odds are not rated.

It isn't that I don't think it is possible that they will reduce the comps, but I don't see why they would do it. Boymimbo mentioned in one thread the house edge being halfway between the two individual ones for this betting pattern.

Of course, casinos pretty much do whatever they want with comp values...
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February 3rd, 2019 at 9:09:16 AM permalink
Casinos DO consider this cheating!

They also consider card counting cheating and taking free offers with minimal play cheating so take the above statement with a grain of salt

The best thing to do is kind of offset the offset. I found they arent smart enough to figure that one out

In Roulette for example I was able to fool the live dealer and pitbosses by having player A wager one large bet outside low thirds while player B wagered outside upper half and inside the 6 numbers and zero

Naturally everything worked out in the wagering so I had zero variance. They wont sit there counting the complicated math of that setup in my experience
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February 3rd, 2019 at 11:01:23 AM permalink
Like that even better I would consider that over craps as roulette comps certainly are higher , I have played roulette before can you just give me a wider explanation , and that is with a single zero wheel ??
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February 3rd, 2019 at 11:22:15 AM permalink
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Like that even better I would consider that over craps as roulette comps certainly are higher , I have played roulette before can you just give me a wider explanation , and that is with a single zero wheel ??



You can do single or double. You lose 2x as fast doing double but some places rate you 2x in consideration
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February 5th, 2019 at 6:23:13 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

This is a possibility, but the pass/don't pass bets both have a house edge so the house can still win "in the long run" just as it would if the two bettors did not know each other. The odds bets have no house advantage and might not be rated at all, depending on the casino.

Is there a way at that casino to "test the waters" for one period of time and then asking some questions?




Pass/Don't Pass carries a fairly low house edge (1.41%). If you are earning more in comps than the house has in theoretical win, they will cut you off Try doing this on roulette with a 5.25% edge. The casino won't care.

There is actually an AP play that I see all the time that is based on this, but if I spill it, I am sure all the APs on this board will be mad. I may or may not spill it by PM. Depends on who is asking.
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February 5th, 2019 at 6:26:50 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Then their comps are too high.

Itís about a $30 per hour loss each. So if they play 4 hours each, casino should give them about $40-$50 in comps.

Not sure if it matters, but wizard does agree with me on this one.



Hmmm.. .Assuming I agree with your theoretical win of $30 each, then we have $240 of theoretical. That would get you $24 from many places. $12 each. I do not think many places are giving close to 25% of theo on craps.
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February 5th, 2019 at 6:53:52 PM permalink
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Hmmm.. .Assuming I agree with your theoretical win of $30 each, then we have $240 of theoretical. That would get you $24 from many places. $12 each. I do not think many places are giving close to 25% of theo on craps.



I guess should was defined poorly. I think 25% should be the comp rate. Not saying it is.

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