Topkat10
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February 2nd, 2019 at 5:58:19 PM permalink
Thank you that was going to be another question I had.
unJon
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February 2nd, 2019 at 6:00:12 PM permalink
Quote: FCBLComish

I hope you factored in that the Floor Supervisors will see your do-don't play (they can figure out that the 2 players are a partnership) and may decrease the value of your rating accordingly.

This. Iíll be surprised is this plan works.

As a data point, I was in Atlantis a few months ago. Playing $25 or $50 PL and either 3 comes or across for $260/280. Plus black chip BJ. Rated for probably 12-15 hours over 4 days. Ended up getting all charges other than prepaid room comped. Since, have gotten offers for free 4 night stay at Cove.

(It was a lot of charges comped, was there with family and other families and paid for a lot of dinners and dolphin activities, etc. Was told by host they couldnít comp the prepaid room as it was over a holiday. Not sure if thatís a real policy or not.)
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February 2nd, 2019 at 6:17:31 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

This. Iíll be surprised is this plan works.

As a data point, I was in Atlantis a few months ago. Playing $25 or $50 PL and either 3 comes or across for $260/280. Plus black chip BJ. Rated for probably 12-15 hours over 4 days. Ended up getting all charges other than prepaid room comped. Since, have gotten offers for free 4 night stay at Cove.

(It was a lot of charges comped, was there with family and other families and paid for a lot of dinners and dolphin activities, etc. Was told by host they couldnít comp the prepaid room as it was over a holiday. Not sure if thatís a real policy or not.)



If you book a room from an outside site like Expedia.com, you will not be able to get it comped. Always book directly with the hotel and then at the end of your trip, you have a chance of having all or some of the room picked up.
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Topkat10
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February 3rd, 2019 at 3:40:52 AM permalink
Excellent thank you very much, I typically play the same way you do but not at those levels and no BJ, really appreciate the info as you can testify to the expense associated with a 4 day stay, been going there for years and fully understand the cost, but just recently started playing more craps, I mentioned I received some small F and B comp over labor day, definetly will charge everything back to the room.
Topkat10
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February 3rd, 2019 at 3:41:42 AM permalink
Will do thank you for the info
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February 3rd, 2019 at 4:38:03 AM permalink
Quote: unJon

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Offsetting systems don't work ... the bets offered by the game all have negative expectation. When you look at the EV* of bet combinations, the total EV equals the sum of the EV of each bet. Thus no matter how you devise your bet combinations, you keep adding to the sum [the sum of adding negative amount + negative amount]

*EV = expected value



Sure but it reduces variance.

I always say you want variance, but I'll concede the variance can be too high to suit me as well. But there are better ways to reduce variance than hedging. And see below.
Quote: FCBLComish

I hope you factored in that the Floor Supervisors will see your do-don't play (they can figure out that the 2 players are a partnership) and may decrease the value of your rating accordingly.

This is a danger if you play the doey-don't you-yourself only, but it has to be of minimal concern if you are careful at all. A bigger point to make is that there is absolutely no reason for the pit to care if you are hedging your bets or not, not even when it comes to comps. You are earning those comps, in full for the amounts bet, when you hedge just as much as when you don't hedge.

As far as comps go, I can't speak to what you might get, but it would be the same if you both played right side or dark side. It is possible to be overcomped, so if this is in the cards you might argue that this is when hedging pays off. I might agree if you are overcomped to the degree you are actually money ahead in freeplay.
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February 3rd, 2019 at 5:21:28 AM permalink
Quote: FCBLComish

I hope you factored in that the Floor Supervisors will see your do-don't play (they can figure out that the 2 players are a partnership) and may decrease the value of your rating accordingly.



This is a possibility, but the pass/don't pass bets both have a house edge so the house can still win "in the long run" just as it would if the two bettors did not know each other. The odds bets have no house advantage and might not be rated at all, depending on the casino.

Is there a way at that casino to "test the waters" for one period of time and then asking some questions?
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February 3rd, 2019 at 5:40:40 AM permalink
Quote: FCBLComish

I hope you factored in that the Floor Supervisors will see your do-don't play (they can figure out that the 2 players are a partnership) and may decrease the value of your rating accordingly.



Then that floor supervisor is an idiot. The do-don't players are guaranteeing the casino a win. Not only that, it is quite easy to figure out the 'theoretical loss' for those players. Moreso than a 'regular' player who varies his bets. And thus comp MORE accurately.
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February 3rd, 2019 at 7:00:42 AM permalink
Not sure if playing odds makes sense to achieve what you want it to.

Do they come at all based on odds bets? (They shouldnít)
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February 3rd, 2019 at 7:10:11 AM permalink
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Not sure if playing odds makes sense to achieve what you want it to.

Do they come at all based on odds bets? (They shouldnít)

They donít per my discussions with them. I also think itís a mistake to not have his son rated. Heís losing half the comps for the donít play. In my one experience, they are good about calculating comps and there is a casino service station on the floor with a computer and they look you up and tell you how many comps dollars you earned.
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