Boz
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December 10th, 2018 at 5:01:46 PM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

You can tell the Wiz about plays as long as you make him swear to secrecy before you do.



But that is against the “Bob Dancer/Rob Singer” mentality here where everything is open game in the name of better Gaming for the viewer.

While both members are only here to help the average player visiting the site, anyone losing following their systems is on their own. After all it’s only gambling, and any casino allowing these 2 to teach classes is risking their own profitability allowing their students to kick their ass**.
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December 10th, 2018 at 6:10:31 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Unless the "Valley" is located in New York I am not sure what about a NY AP move the Wizard could exploit

At any rate I moved on from that move years ago and to my knowledge that move is dead as well

At some point I will divulge how it worked.



If the move is dead why not share now? Unless you think it will come to life again?
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December 10th, 2018 at 6:46:02 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Unless the "Valley" is located in New York I am not sure what about a NY AP move the Wizard could exploit

At any rate I moved on from that move years ago and to my knowledge that move is dead as well

At some point I will divulge how it worked.


Please don’t.
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December 10th, 2018 at 7:01:25 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Please don’t.



Yeah, based on what I strongly believe the method was, that might not be such a great idea. The basic premise of it would expose other similar plays that are still alive and well today. I am more in favor of sharing than most people here, and have been annoyed at the lack of sharing. But this one shouldn’t be publicly discussed, even though I suspect many people here know and have used/are using a similar technique anyway.
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December 10th, 2018 at 7:19:25 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Besides the chips in the dice theory, how does the machine know what sides the dice landed on?


Dead simple. Camera over top gives an image. Image is compared to one of six patterns for each dice. How many degrees the image is rotated doesn't matter. A computer can rotate and match a few thousand times before you can blink.
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December 10th, 2018 at 7:25:33 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

fyi this site doesn't work in the EU (c.f. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44248448 - I think there are a fair number of US sites, that due to the recent General Data Protection Regulation in the EU, have yet to be updated to work here.)



according to this article

"When the time to place bets is up, the “floor” on which two large dice sit under a glass dome in the center of the table begins to shake, tossing the dice for a pre-determined time. Once the dice land flat, radio-frequency identification (RFID) technology “reads” the values on the dice, calculates any payments based on the pay table and awards winning wagers.

RFID uses electromagnetic fields to identify and automatically track electronically stored data attached to the dice."
RS
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December 10th, 2018 at 7:28:42 PM permalink
Quote: cowboy

Dead simple. Camera over top gives an image. Image is compared to one of six patterns for each dice. How many degrees the image is rotated doesn't matter. A computer can rotate and match a few thousand times before you can blink.


How feasible is that though to be implemented? I’ve played a machine or two where the camera doesn’t seem to be working, because it shows it in the player’s terminal. Granted, that could just mean that communication link is faulty or perhaps disabled for whatever reason. But that, to me, doesn’t seem like the best way capture the data.

I have no idea how it works, but I never thought it was the camera that does it. Maybe it does. Idk, I’m not a science rocket for a reason.
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December 10th, 2018 at 7:46:11 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Zcore

As Wiz will attest I was doing what I refer to in other posts as my NY AP move (which I have yet to reveal here except to a few like the Wiz)

I was doing this move for approximately 5-6 hours a day at bubble craps

So yes I observed her for an entire week. Approximately 40 plus gaming hours in my estimation



So the so-called "NY AP Move" is just play a craps machine with an advantage? Seems that it would be similar (if not nearly identical) to doing the same thing in NV.
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December 10th, 2018 at 7:49:44 PM permalink
We have already seen proof that there are magnets in the dice, so wouldn't that eliminate the need for computer chips
darkoz
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December 10th, 2018 at 8:35:13 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

So the so-called "NY AP Move" is just play a craps machine with an advantage? Seems that it would be similar (if not nearly identical) to doing the same thing in NV.



It was more complicated than just playing craps

It was taking advantage of limitations created due to a stringent NYS law
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