2 Bets Only

I'm hoping to double my $60 PL stake into $120 then divide it so I can make 2 bets. Should my second bet be an odds bet, or should it be a place bet on the opposite number to the point, or should it be a 6 or an 8? I've been watching one person who bets the 5 and the 9 because he only throws 5's and 9's, but that's a different story.

Odds. No house edge.

I'm thinking more along the lines that if I cover more than one number, I'd have a better chance of hitting something. If 4 is the point, just because odds pay correctly, wouldn't I have a better chance putting a 2nd bet on the 6 or 8? Or maybe somebody is likely to throw an opposite point so betting the 10 would be a good play, but I'd lose a buck on the short payout like you say. It's so confusing.

Well, if you just want to "hit numbers," you could simply bet the field.

If I quadruple my $60 to $240 then I can split 4 ways and have 10 bets for PL, 10 bets for odds, 10 bets for the 6, and 10 bets for the 8.
I'll start with taking odds at $120, and adding the 6 & 8 PB's at $240.

Quote: TigerWu

Well, if you just want to "hit numbers," you could simply bet the field.

I can't get any traction in the Field. I can run up some progressions on the PL, on odds, and on the Place Bets/Buy Bets.

Quote: ChumpChange

If I quadruple my $60 to $240 then I can split 4 ways and have 10 bets for PL, 10 bets for odds, 10 bets for the 6, and 10 bets for the 8.
I'll start with taking odds at $120, and adding the 6 & 8 PB's at $240.

Make a come bet and let it land where it lands.

Come Bets are such a hedge against a P7O or a P#7O (2nd Come Bet). I just feel like I'm spinning my wheels but on a colder table that's what's needed. I can't keep a number up because of Come-out 7's. I have to revert to Place Bets/Buy Bets on Come Bet wins.

Quote: ChumpChange

Come Bets are such a hedge against a P7O or a P#7O (2nd Come Bet). I just feel like I'm spinning my wheels but on a colder table that's what's needed. I can't keep a number up because of Come-out 7's. I have to revert to Place Bets/Buy Bets on Come Bet wins.

I’m unsure what you are trying to solve for. If you don’t like seven come outs, don’t work on the come out.

Remember come bets are just like pass line bets. If your first bet is a pass line bet with full odds, and you like that style but want to cover another number, then a single come bet with full odds meets your criteria best. (2 point Molly) I’m told this is how Phil Ivy plays craps and he’s lost way more at craps than you or I combined, so he must know something.

If you have some other criteria you are trying to best solve for, I’m unclear what that it.

Do an Iron Cross and just hope for the best (emphasis on the hope). The dice don't know who you are.

Quote: unJon

If you don’t like seven come outs, don’t work on the come out.

I can turn off my Come Bets on the Come-out? I must have missed that memo. Do dealers need more tips for that kind of action?

Quote: ChumpChange

I can turn off my Come Bets on the Come-out? I must have missed that memo. Do dealers need more tips for that kind of action?

I have noticed that this is one of the more common dealer mistakes - forgetting to pick up a come bet on a come out 7. In a casino where people make a lot of prop bets, come bets are more rare and they don't always think about it.

Quote: ChumpChange

I can turn off my Come Bets on the Come-out? I must have missed that memo. Do dealers need more tips for that kind of action?

If you have a come point established and the pass line point is then made, the default is that your come bet odds are not working on the come out. Your flat bet can’t be turned off.

Quote: unJon

If your first bet is a pass line bet with full odds, and you like that style but want to cover another number, then a single come bet with full odds meets your criteria best. (2 point Molly) I’m told this is how Phil Ivy plays craps and he’s lost way more at craps than you or I combined, so he must know something.

On WinCraps I turned $24 into $16,000 (OK, $976 into $17,000) with my beginner's luck using a 3-point Molly but WinCraps just goes on a tear bringing me back down to zero and below. I have to pick some more realistic win goals and jump off my progressions and start over with more bet sets at the beginning.

Last night on WinCraps I was playing $15 on the PL, $15 on odds, and $15 on the opposite number. I would use progressions on these in a 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10 manner.
If a 2nd or 3rd number provoked an opposite bet number I'd cover it (and leave it up, maybe I shouldn't and just move a single opposite bet progression around).
I started out with 2 $500 sets because 3 starting bets could be $48, x 10 = $480 ~ $500.
I'd double my betting range when I got to $1500, double again at $2500, double again at $4500, double again at $8500, etc.
I got to $7600 through a few levels on a few hot hands. But then the P7O's came and wouldn't stop and brought me back down to $2500. I should have quit around $6000 I guess, idk. A $5000 profit would give me 10 sets of $500 if I reduced my bets back to $15.
So I was betting at the $120 level, and I did back down to $60, then to $30, then I quit with 5 $500 sessions left.

WinCraps sometimes takes an interest in letting me win with a new strategy for a little while before it locks up tight with never-ending losing streaks no matter what the bet. It's probably telling me to go to the real tables and try that.

Quote: ChumpChange

I've been watching one person who bets the 5 and the 9 because he only throws 5's and 9's, but that's a different story.

The two best bets in the entire casino are to bet the 5 and 9 whenever he is shooting