Tapping dice

I do not play craps, but have come across this stuff from the 40s.

http://

rwatts.cdyn.com

/download/kccard/08-09.pdf

Can you summarize for those of us who are hesitant to follow unknown links and who can't download pdf files?

Quote: FleaStiff

Can you summarize for those of us who are hesitant to follow unknown links and who can't download pdf files?

you actually "tap" the dice and they magically become fair, or unfair. from what i can tell, some of them contain a fluid but the ones i sent into the pdf apparently do not contain fluid which is the products main claim to fame.

the pdf i sent is from a company who started in 1890 and eventually dissolved in 1956.

The company H. C. Evans, which was the company, seems to have also made alot of coin operated stuff, but the most interesting, and related to this forum topic, is that they made electomagnetic dice, along with an electromagnetic repelling and attracting device which worked with see through plastic dice which contain a small amount of metal in them i think.

ROTFLMAO.

You have the keys to mastering shuffle master yet you are f*cking around with dice tapping..

What a joke.

not doing anything at all just thought it was an intersting topic. im reading a catalog from the 1930s which is from a games manufacturing company, which sold what me might consider gaffed equipment. craps just doesnt have any allure to me... just yet at least maybe that will change.

as i have stated before im more interested in the security aspect of most games and i like to keep my mind wandering and others minds on edge about what can and cant be accomplished by the human race when it comes to games of chance. Dice settng in my opinion goes against what i consider to be fair, and would allow anyone to gain an advantage over the house. although the house has been trying to thwart craps players for a while from what im reading.

Heres a patent that seems to match up well with what i just said

https://

patents.google.com

/patent/US4546978

Quote: AxelWolf

ROTFLMAO.

You have the keys to mastering shuffle master yet you are f*cking around with dice tapping..

What a joke.

heatmap is the best "gambler" ever!

Quote: heatmap

you actually "tap" the dice and they magically become fair, or unfair. from what i can tell, some of them contain a fluid but the ones i sent into the pdf apparently do not contain fluid which is the products main claim to fame.

Define "fair" and "unfair" The dice dont know how to play the game.

Quote: GlenG

Define "fair" and "unfair" The dice dont know how to play the game.

Well, from what ive been seeing it seems that certain unfair dice are weighted to favor specific sides sometimes. and from that im going to say fair dice have no preferred or side which comes up more frequently than others.

Quote: heatmap

you actually "tap" the dice and they magically become fair, or unfair. from what i can tell, some of them contain a fluid...

Those dice are called ‘Tappers’. The interiors contain oil and a drop of mercury in a dumbell shaped channel. When the mercury is in the center cavity, the dice are fair. When the shooter wants the best of it, he taps the surface ‘for luck’. This jars the mercury to the corner of the die and allows the shooter to throw a set of loads.

This and much more is described in “Scarne on Dice”, which is a 500 page textbook on everything dice. He includes a large section on avoiding cheats.

Scarne also describes in detail, a number of crooked dice shots, such as, the lock grip, the blanket roll, the backboard control shot, the whip shot, the Greek shot, the spin shot.

Many of these shots were developed by soldiers in WW1 an WW2, who filled suitcases with cash using them against unsuspecting fellow soldiers.

For the spin shot, the shooter gives the dice a fair shake, then glimpses at the numbers facing him when his palm is up. If he’s placing numbers and looking to avoid a seven, he makes sure the numbers on the opposite sides don’t add up to seven. If he’s looking at a five and a four, he knows the opposite numbers are two and three. Those will be the skyward numbers.

Then, palm facing down, he slides the dice across the surface, but gives them a spin so they circle each other, but never turn over. The three and two remain skyward for a five.

A shooter used this shot effectively at Foxwoods for a few rolls. The PB spotted it, and he was warned ‘do it again and you’re out of here in cuffs'.

I think all these ancient catalogs and devices are fascinating and I hope the Museum of Gambling History has tons of this stuff but I hope no one here tries to actually utilize any of these dodgy devices. Its a curiosity, not a source of illicit income.

You can still get those tapper dice. I see them on ebay every once in a while. I also used to have a catalog of "crooked" dice made to match actual casino dice. I bought a set about 15 years ago but they were very obviously counterfeit looking. Don't know if that company is still in business.

Yesterday I walked up to the craps table and there was an older man with a paper and pencil writing down every number thrown. Obviously this man had a system and knew what he was doing. The dice came to him and he proceeded to take up half of the rail as he set his dice. In between setting his dice several times he put a few dollars on all different types of stupid prop bets. Five minutes, which seemed like eternity , had passed and he hadn't even shot the dice yet. He proceeds to set the dice a couple more times . Then sllloooowwwllly rocks his arm back and every so slightly releases the dice to his precise mark by the back wall. Surely he was going to hit one of his numerous bets. SEVEN OUT!

Quote: Tanko

Those dice are called ‘Tappers’. The interiors contain oil and a drop of mercury in a dumbell shaped channel. When the mercury is in the center cavity, the dice are fair. When the shooter wants the best of it, he taps the surface ‘for luck’. This jars the mercury to the corner of the die and allows the shooter to throw a set of loads.

This and much more is described in “Scarne on Dice”, which is a 500 page textbook on everything dice. He includes a large section on avoiding cheats.

Scarne also describes in detail, a number of crooked dice shots, such as, the lock grip, the blanket roll, the backboard control shot, the whip shot, the Greek shot, the spin shot.

Many of these shots were developed by soldiers in WW1 an WW2, who filled suitcases with cash using them against unsuspecting fellow soldiers.

For the spin shot, the shooter gives the dice a fair shake, then glimpses at the numbers facing him when his palm is up. If he’s placing numbers and looking to avoid a seven, he makes sure the numbers on the opposite sides don’t add up to seven. If he’s looking at a five and a four, he knows the opposite numbers are two and three. Those will be the skyward numbers.

Then, palm facing down, he slides the dice across the surface, but gives them a spin so they circle each other, but never turn over. The three and two remain skyward for a five.

A shooter used this shot effectively at Foxwoods for a few rolls. The PB spotted it, and he was warned ‘do it again and you’re out of here in cuffs'.

Really interesting, thanks. FWIW, the spin shooter, if he saw a seven on his peek, would always know it was a seven on the other side. If any other number showed, it would not be a seven. No translation or pause needed. I would think, though, he might have an extra little move as he turned his palm down to flip one die in his palm with his thumb and be sure he had changed it to not-seven before the throw.