Wrong Craps Table
The wrong casinos I now think are the ones where they can't seem, for whatever reason, to attract enough Craps players; something that seems to go with 'enough players with adequate bankroll' as well. And adequate knowledge about the bets to avoid. The typical disappointing scenario goes like this: there are finally more than a sprinkle of other players at the table. You walk up and they're negative about how it's been going.* So, you say "we have to turn that around!" and they look disappointed, being comfortable with the idea of being a loser in life.
So the next few shooters do OK maybe! But you look around after a while and realize though they mostly are right-siders, their bankroll has dwindled and they're nervous about losing it all. Then you think about it and, yep, that guy over there was making a bunch of sucker bets. Sure, you saw him win some of those, but it's an illusion, he's clobbered by the ones that he didn't win, and who is going to really keep up with someone else's one-roll bets? And over there is the ignorant darksider who you saw with a stack on his Don't bet, not a bit of it reserved for odds, and who is shifting his bet away from any 6/8 come-out rolls to the DC. Then there is the other even weirder guy who starts with a stash but for some reason is devoting maybe 20% of each round of bets to the dealers, a bunch of sucker bets too, for him and for all. Oh, none of these guys lasted long? Wonder why?
God forbid the table gets a cold spell.* So, after a very short period of time, you find yourself the only shooter at the table. Right away if you know this means too many rolls per hour, you can't feel good about it. And you are just asking for the dice to have some fun with you*, after all if you roll a PSO it's got to be hilarious if you get to go straight back to that guy for another one!* For the darksider, there is nothing, nothing more miserable than being the shooter who goes on a big long roll making the points like crazy and who when finally rolling a 7-out has the dice, who are just loving it*, come back to him because he is the only shooter.
These casinos that have this problem have it all the time. No asterisk for this comment. I am just done with them.
*Some of this is going to sound like it agrees with the fallacy that a table can be cold or hot, the energy situation, etc, sorry, not what I mean to say. Or maybe I should say I am indulging in superstitions I know have no real validity
Quote: odiousgambitI'm licking my wounds after a bout with the game of Craps that didn't go my way this last weekend, but at least I have come to realize there are some casinos where I now think I just want to avoid to play Craps. What I am talking about is an environment that I can enjoy versus one that I cannot. This is largely revolving around realizing I can't stand to be the only shooter.
Well, I don't play craps, but from my limited observation, the entertainment value comes from the attentive crowd whooping and cheering. Without that, you may as well sit in your room, rolling the dice on the carpet and occasionally transferring funds electronically to the charity of your choosing ( or me ).
It sounds to me like the other players brought the coldness to the table by being miserable ploppies.
Quote: OnceDearIt sounds to me like the other players brought the coldness to the table by being miserable ploppies.
Put an asterisk on that!
Actually, if you watch me play and even if you could read my mind while playing, you'd conclude I was as superstitious as anybody about these things. But if I was just a cold machine playing, why would I play anyway, as you noted?
Quote: OnceDearQuote: odiousgambitI'm licking my wounds after a bout with the game of Craps that didn't go my way this last weekend, but at least I have come to realize there are some casinos where I now think I just want to avoid to play Craps. What I am talking about is an environment that I can enjoy versus one that I cannot. This is largely revolving around realizing I can't stand to be the only shooter.
Well, I don't play craps, but from my limited observation, the entertainment value comes from the attentive crowd whooping and cheering. Without that, you may as well sit in your room, rolling the dice on the carpet and occasionally transferring funds electronically to the charity of your choosing ( or me ).
It sounds to me like the other players brought the coldness to the table by being miserable ploppies.
You are better off not playing craps. Stick to your guns.
Quote: WatchMeWinQuote: OnceDearQuote: odiousgambitI'm licking my wounds after a bout with the game of Craps that didn't go my way this last weekend, but at least I have come to realize there are some casinos where I now think I just want to avoid to play Craps. What I am talking about is an environment that I can enjoy versus one that I cannot. This is largely revolving around realizing I can't stand to be the only shooter.
Well, I don't play craps, but from my limited observation, the entertainment value comes from the attentive crowd whooping and cheering. Without that, you may as well sit in your room, rolling the dice on the carpet and occasionally transferring funds electronically to the charity of your choosing ( or me ).
It sounds to me like the other players brought the coldness to the table by being miserable ploppies.
You are better off not playing craps. Stick to your guns.
That was for oncedear...not og.
Thanks, I will. If I encountered a game where there was fun and great atmosphere,, I'd join in and roll with it. It would be value for money.Quote: WatchMeWinYou are better off not playing craps. Stick to your guns.
The other problem is indeed the lack of interaction. Dice crews will often try to entice a pretty girl who is walking by. Not only does the crew enjoy some eye candy but they also know that her playing there means three or four male passersby will suddenly join in and maybe one of them will have a monster roll and will actually tip them. Eons ago at Caesars one dice crew actually let a woman "warm up" the table at the start of their shift which happened to coincide with the start of her shift. She got to evade surveillance for awhile and they got a good game going before she quietly disappeared to ply her trade.
I'm not suggesting that fellow dice players are necessary for a good roll to take place, but the camaraderie, banter and conversations with the dice are an important part of the game. No one likes a stone cold silent table with a few morose losers at it. I do like an early morning table because its less hectic than the ten pm to four am crowd but I don't really care for an empty table. I will often be there for a table opening but generally will wander off if I'm not doing well and I'm the only shooter. Then I'll go slurp some coffee for awhile and wait for a few more craps players to show up so I'm not the only shooter. Winning is okay at an empty table but much better at a full one.
Quote: WatchMeWinI personally like playing craps on Empty higher limit Tables.... 3 people Max. Better rhythm, better flow. No Riff Raff jumping in and out with their Hops and props and money in the middle of the rolls.
Finding higher limit tables in the middle of the week is rare. Unless you have a tip for us?
it's the minimum I'm thinking about of course
Quote: alphastormWhat the min on the high limit at Sugar house?
Usually 50... sometimes 100
Quote: odiousgambitI'm licking my wounds after a bout with the game of Craps that didn't go my way this last weekend, but at least I have come to realize there are some casinos where I now think I just want to avoid to play Craps. What I am talking about is an environment that I can enjoy versus one that I cannot. This is largely revolving around realizing I can't stand to be the only shooter.
The wrong casinos I now think are the ones where they can't seem, for whatever reason, to attract enough Craps players; something that seems to go with 'enough players with adequate bankroll' as well. And adequate knowledge about the bets to avoid. The typical disappointing scenario goes like this: there are finally more than a sprinkle of other players at the table. You walk up and they're negative about how it's been going.* So, you say "we have to turn that around!" and they look disappointed, being comfortable with the idea of being a loser in life.
So the next few shooters do OK maybe! But you look around after a while and realize though they mostly are right-siders, their bankroll has dwindled and they're nervous about losing it all. Then you think about it and, yep, that guy over there was making a bunch of sucker bets. Sure, you saw him win some of those, but it's an illusion, he's clobbered by the ones that he didn't win, and who is going to really keep up with someone else's one-roll bets? And over there is the ignorant darksider who you saw with a stack on his Don't bet, not a bit of it reserved for odds, and who is shifting his bet away from any 6/8 come-out rolls to the DC. Then there is the other even weirder guy who starts with a stash but for some reason is devoting maybe 20% of each round of bets to the dealers, a bunch of sucker bets too, for him and for all. Oh, none of these guys lasted long? Wonder why?
God forbid the table gets a cold spell.* So, after a very short period of time, you find yourself the only shooter at the table. Right away if you know this means too many rolls per hour, you can't feel good about it. And you are just asking for the dice to have some fun with you*, after all if you roll a PSO it's got to be hilarious if you get to go straight back to that guy for another one!* For the darksider, there is nothing, nothing more miserable than being the shooter who goes on a big long roll making the points like crazy and who when finally rolling a 7-out has the dice, who are just loving it*, come back to him because he is the only shooter.
These casinos that have this problem have it all the time. No asterisk for this comment. I am just done with them.
*Some of this is going to sound like it agrees with the fallacy that a table can be cold or hot, the energy situation, etc, sorry, not what I mean to say. Or maybe I should say I am indulging in superstitions I know have no real validity
I feel your pain. out of 14-16 spots at the craps table there may be 3 shooters that make at least 10 numbers along with a couple points.
Sometimes, it's best to hold back on betting because in most cases the other 11-13 shooters will kill your mood.
I love it when most of the table PSO's cuz when the dice get to me, I can only be praised for my shooting even if I make one single point. perfect time for show-boating hollywood style. after three points made, the table worships me like the casino Gods.
Keep positive even when it's cold at the tables and don't give up.
