WatchMeWin
WatchMeWin
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December 16th, 2017 at 11:52:24 AM permalink
Quote: TomG

You contradict yourself. Because it has been proven by experts that these games are not random, it is easy to win. One has to be crazy to think they could beat a dice game that does not have predetermined outcomes



You are saying that experts have proven that the rolls in the electronic dice, bubble craps, etc are predetermined? Fixed, so to speak? I would love to see the proof that you speak of. I agree that they are not random... You are proving my point... so what's your point? I havent spent the time to exploit it and find the way to capitalize on it....nor do I want to, as I mentioned. No contradiction. If someone spends the time and effort to beat the game, then that is great. I dont have that info other than my theory which I explained earlier... and I dont have the time to try and beat it.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
gamerfreak
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December 16th, 2017 at 11:54:58 AM permalink
Quote: TomG

You contradict yourself. Because it has been proven by experts that these games are not random, it is easy to win. One has to be crazy to think they could beat a dice game that does not have predetermined outcomes


I think what he is (incorrectly) saying is that the machine adjusts the odds of the dice on the fly, depending on what bets are placed, to maximize the houseís EV.

While that may be possible, Iím certain it is not happening.
CAD2
CAD2
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December 19th, 2017 at 4:33:28 AM permalink
Quote: TomG

You contradict yourself. Because it has been proven by experts that these games are not random, it is easy to win. One has to be crazy to think they could beat a dice game that does not have predetermined outcomes



The rolls can be non-random due to player interaction. Most E-Craps players don't look at the dice and just press the button at the first opportunity. Heck, a lot of the players are ploppies who are drunk and trying to have fun.

Then you have players timing the dice. One guy on another website claims he can avoid boxcars so they come up at a rate that is greater than 1 in 36 rolls. He's your typical dewey don't player who takes odds. He claims to lose money on E-Craps but make money from the slot club benefits.

He is the same guy posting photos of rolling a bunch of 6's, 7's & 8's. Something like 23 rolls out of 30.
FleaStiff
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December 19th, 2017 at 7:05:11 AM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

PS real table craps can be beaten. Ask mustangsally

Don't get me wrong. I love MustangSally but I speak English and she speaks Math.
FleaStiff
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December 19th, 2017 at 7:29:09 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Casinos make money on craps that get fewer hands/hour, using up 4 skilled staff to do it (box, stick, 2 dealers). No way that machine costs more per hour to rent than it costs to run a live table day in and day out, and the machine runs 24/7.



Actually I think a Dice Crew is FIVE skilled staff. The Box is pretty much there for his entire shift. The stickman and two base dealers rotate but there is usually a dealer on a twenty minute break. Often the stickman gets a break so he can recover from the ordeal of trying to get people to make bad bets. (lol).

Actually casinos love machines., They don't take vacations, demand health benefits or ever try to unionize. And casinos don't have to watch machines quite as closely as they have to watch sticky fingered humans.

But the money appears to be in "hands per hour". Casinos like to get more hands per hour from dealers but don't like making any Carpal Tunnel Syndrome payouts. So the cheapest and most reliable option is often to invest in machines and a slot technician to keep them running.

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