AxelWolf
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December 15th, 2017 at 12:47:22 PM permalink
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Its all legal and within their right to adjust however they like... just like slots payout percentage.

How do you know its all legal? Do you have the laws in the jurisdiction you are talking about?

From my understanding, this would not be legal in NV. They would have to adjust the payout odds to change the percentage.

Just like they would have to do in Video Poker.
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December 15th, 2017 at 12:54:57 PM permalink
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How do you know its all legal? Do you have the laws in the jurisdiction you are talking about?

From my understanding, this would not be legal in NV. They would have to adjust the payout odds to change the percentage.

Just like they would have to do in Video Poker.



Have you every seen or played bubble craps games? If so, are you saying that you dont believe that there are magnets, or bouncing platforms, or some way for the dice outcome to be altered... and if these machines did do this, then it would be illegal?
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December 15th, 2017 at 1:03:48 PM permalink
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Have you every seen or played bubble craps games? If so, are you saying that you dont believe that there are magnets, or bouncing platforms, or some way for the dice outcome to be altered... and if these machines did do this, then it would be illegal?


Any symbol in an electronic game that represents an actual object, i.e. dice or cards, is required by law to have odds identical to those real life objects.
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December 15th, 2017 at 1:17:24 PM permalink
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Any symbol in an electronic game that represents an actual object, i.e. dice or cards, is required by law to have odds identical to those real life objects.



The odds are the same ... but the randomness of the rolls are not. In any event, I stick to real craps and real poker.
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December 15th, 2017 at 2:05:17 PM permalink
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The odds are the same ... but the randomness of the rolls are not. In any event, I stick to real craps and real poker.


Sorry, but yes they are. You just don't understand random.
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December 15th, 2017 at 2:07:22 PM permalink
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Quote: WatchMeWin

The odds are the same ... but the randomness of the rolls are not. In any event, I stick to real craps and real poker.


Sorry, but yes they are. You just don't understand random.



I am not so sure. I have seen about 5 players playing those machine craps now for almost 2 years 6-12 hours per day at the same exact Casino. I am not sure what they are up to but it has to be something. I wonder if those dice or rolls are loaded in some way??
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December 15th, 2017 at 2:10:31 PM permalink
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Quote: WatchMeWin

The odds are the same ... but the randomness of the rolls are not. In any event, I stick to real craps and real poker.


Sorry, but yes they are. You just don't understand random.



How can you be so certain?
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December 15th, 2017 at 2:11:38 PM permalink
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Have you every seen or played bubble craps games? If so, are you saying that you dont believe that there are magnets, or bouncing platforms, or some way for the dice outcome to be altered... and if these machines did do this, then it would be illegal?



Here's a point where I disagree with you (besides laws requiring fair gaming prohibiting this):

Casinos make money on craps that get fewer hands/hour, using up 4 skilled staff to do it (box, stick, 2 dealers). No way that machine costs more per hour to rent than it costs to run a live table day in and day out, and the machine runs 24/7.

So if they're already making money, why risk a gaffed table? Whether legal or not, their reputation would be on the line.
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December 15th, 2017 at 3:18:06 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Here's a point where I disagree with you (besides laws requiring fair gaming prohibiting this):

Casinos make money on craps that get fewer hands/hour, using up 4 skilled staff to do it (box, stick, 2 dealers). No way that machine costs more per hour to rent than it costs to run a live table day in and day out, and the machine runs 24/7.

So if they're already making money, why risk a gaffed table? Whether legal or not, their reputation would be on the line.



I had someone tell me this on e-baccarat. Ot was stadium style and you could see how much was bet on banker vs player right up to the last second

So i waited until the last second then bet huge against the side that had the most wagering

Its scary but i did seem to hav a larger number of wins.

When both sides were about equal i bet tie and won each of 3 different times

However im pretty sure it was just a fluke. I was doing it to disprove this guy and wasnt able to lol
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December 16th, 2017 at 11:42:10 AM permalink
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These bubble craps machine games are designed and programed to beat the player. They are not random rolls and therefore I stay way. I would only play the game if there is not a real craps table in the casino. Ives seen the dice spin out of its set position multiple times until it found its 7 out position. Hard to win when you have the machine predicting your outcome. And as far as electronic craps goes, one has to be absolutely crazy to play that and think you can beat it. Again, predetermined payouts and outcomes.



You contradict yourself. Because it has been proven by experts that these games are not random, it is easy to win. One has to be crazy to think they could beat a dice game that does not have predetermined outcomes

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