Minimum bet sizes required for Don't Come Odds?
May 30th, 2017 at 6:56:36 AM
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If I have a $75 don't come bet and want to lay a low amount of odds on it, which of the following is true? Let's say a standard $10 table on the LV strip, with 3x4x5x odds although that shouldn't matter if looking to lay minimum amounts rather than maximum.
A) The minimum bet must be whatever causes the win to equal at least one unit of that particular bet. So for 6/8, $90 would be the minimum lay, to win $75 (I couldn't lay just $60 to win $50, for example). For 4/10, $150 would be the lowest I could lay to win $75. For 5/9, $112.50 would be the minimum, obviously rounded up to $113, to win $75.33 rounded down to $75.
B) The minimum bet must be whatever causes the win to be at least equal to the table minimum. So for 6/8, $12 would be the minimum lay, to win $10 (the fact that the DC is higher is irrelevant). For 4/10, $20 is the minimum lay, and for 5/9, $15 is the minimum lay on the odds, each to win $10.
C) The minimum bet must be equal to the actual DC value/unit, no less, even if the payout is funky. So for 6/8, $75 would be the minimum lay, to win $62.50, rounded down to $62 (or rounded up perhaps). For 4/10, the minimum lay of $75 would pay $37.50 (rounded up or down), and for the 5/9, the minimum lay of $75 would pay $50.
I searched and found common answers for what maximums would be, but that is only helpful for laying small DCs. And obviously this would be the same for Don't Pass, as well. I appreciate your help!
A) The minimum bet must be whatever causes the win to equal at least one unit of that particular bet. So for 6/8, $90 would be the minimum lay, to win $75 (I couldn't lay just $60 to win $50, for example). For 4/10, $150 would be the lowest I could lay to win $75. For 5/9, $112.50 would be the minimum, obviously rounded up to $113, to win $75.33 rounded down to $75.
B) The minimum bet must be whatever causes the win to be at least equal to the table minimum. So for 6/8, $12 would be the minimum lay, to win $10 (the fact that the DC is higher is irrelevant). For 4/10, $20 is the minimum lay, and for 5/9, $15 is the minimum lay on the odds, each to win $10.
C) The minimum bet must be equal to the actual DC value/unit, no less, even if the payout is funky. So for 6/8, $75 would be the minimum lay, to win $62.50, rounded down to $62 (or rounded up perhaps). For 4/10, the minimum lay of $75 would pay $37.50 (rounded up or down), and for the 5/9, the minimum lay of $75 would pay $50.
I searched and found common answers for what maximums would be, but that is only helpful for laying small DCs. And obviously this would be the same for Don't Pass, as well. I appreciate your help!
May 30th, 2017 at 11:17:11 AM
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Different casinos have different rules. A and B cover almost every place I've played.
A few will let you lay as little as $6 $3 or $2 for 6/8 5/9 or 4/10 respectively.
A few will let you lay as little as $6 $3 or $2 for 6/8 5/9 or 4/10 respectively.
May 30th, 2017 at 12:27:24 PM
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Every casino I have ever played craps at, will allow you to bet less odds than your dark line bet. So in your example, if your dark bet is $75, and the table minimum is $10, you can bet $12 odds.
The casino encourages this because the house makes money on the line bet, but not on the odds.
The next question is will the house allow an odds bet that pay less than the minimum. There's no uniform answer to this. Back when I was a super low roller, and there were times where I had to bet enough so that the payout was above the minimum; but there were other boxmen, in the same casino, who said I only needed to make a bet that was equal to the house minimum, regardless of the table minimum. This was at the Taj Mahal in AC.
My guess would be that most casinos only want you to bet at least the table minimum on odds. However, some casinos, but not all or even most, view odds to be like the hardways or center/sucker bets, no matter what the table minimum, you can always bet below the table minimum.
Also, in my low roller days, Ive also played at Circus Circus where they would sometimes allow people to lay odds less than the table minimum. For example, at a $5 table, as long as the dark bet was $5, one could lay $2 to win $1 if the point was 10.
The casino encourages this because the house makes money on the line bet, but not on the odds.
The next question is will the house allow an odds bet that pay less than the minimum. There's no uniform answer to this. Back when I was a super low roller, and there were times where I had to bet enough so that the payout was above the minimum; but there were other boxmen, in the same casino, who said I only needed to make a bet that was equal to the house minimum, regardless of the table minimum. This was at the Taj Mahal in AC.
My guess would be that most casinos only want you to bet at least the table minimum on odds. However, some casinos, but not all or even most, view odds to be like the hardways or center/sucker bets, no matter what the table minimum, you can always bet below the table minimum.
Also, in my low roller days, Ive also played at Circus Circus where they would sometimes allow people to lay odds less than the table minimum. For example, at a $5 table, as long as the dark bet was $5, one could lay $2 to win $1 if the point was 10.
