DRich
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February 19th, 2017 at 5:11:41 AM permalink
Quote: dfwbird

Worse than the explosion of flat earth NBA players! As of superbowl weekend 2017 in Vegas at the Rio they were not treated as slots. I ran $250 to just over 3k on one shooter. The terminal locked up on attempt to cash out. Slot guy said no W2 but they record the event and handpay the tito. No such procedure occurred on a multiple shooter $800 in $2600 cash out.

yes the dice have rounded corners and act differently than on a real table. No magnets. For me the appeal over real is I can turn on/off move up down on bet sizes all without the entire rest of the table looking at me like I'm an idiot slowing the game down. btw.. I am an idiot. But it's my f!#/ing money let me bet it how I want.

The shitty part is at most places you can only have $500 max spread across all bets so when that hot roll does show up you aren't going to make near as much as you would on a real table.



$3000 has become a key number in the gaming industry. It is considered best practice in the industry to begin tracking a players buy in's and cash out of $3000 or more. This is all part of the Bank Secrecy Act and Title 31. The idea is to track the cash because once a players accumulated cashouts or buyins hit $10,000 a Currency Transaction Report (CTR) is required to be filed to the government. FYI, slot jackpots are excluded because they already require a W2G.

This is a part of the gaming industry that I know very well.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_regulations_under_the_Bank_Secrecy_Act
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superrick
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February 19th, 2017 at 6:31:52 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

For any specific reason ?


There is aways a reason behind anything someone's posts. There is a lot of confusion about these machines and what they are. As some of you may know Nevada gaming rules are very vague!

We know that there are many small casinos that can't have table games and are only slot machine parlors like the Dotty's slot machine parlors that only operate under a "restricted" gaming license. For the most part now that they acquire the Hacienda Hotel and Casino near Boulder City, its first full hotel-casino. In July 2014, Dotty's agreed to buy the River Palms in Laughlin so they now operate two real casinos here in Nevada!

Here is my rub with what they are if the small casinos are operating under a "restricted" gaming license and can't have table games are they, in fact, a type of slot machine?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dotty%27s
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AxelWolf
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February 19th, 2017 at 9:30:11 AM permalink
Quote: superrick

There is aways a reason behind anything someone's posts. There is a lot of confusion about these machines and what they are. As some of you may know Nevada gaming rules are very vague!

We know that there are many small casinos that can't have table games and are only slot machine parlors like the Dotty's slot machine parlors that only operate under a "restricted" gaming license. For the most part now that they acquire the Hacienda Hotel and Casino near Boulder City, its first full hotel-casino. In July 2014, Dotty's agreed to buy the River Palms in Laughlin so they now operate two real casinos here in Nevada!

Here is my rub with what they are if the small casinos are operating under a "restricted" gaming license and can't have table games are they, in fact, a type of slot machine?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dotty%27s

In ten years Dotty will own everything.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
ThatDonGuy
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February 19th, 2017 at 1:15:39 PM permalink
Quote: superrick

There is aways a reason behind anything someone's posts. There is a lot of confusion about these machines and what they are. As some of you may know Nevada gaming rules are very vague!

We know that there are many small casinos that can't have table games and are only slot machine parlors like the Dotty's slot machine parlors that only operate under a "restricted" gaming license. For the most part now that they acquire the Hacienda Hotel and Casino near Boulder City, its first full hotel-casino. In July 2014, Dotty's agreed to buy the River Palms in Laughlin so they now operate two real casinos here in Nevada!

Here is my rub with what they are if the small casinos are operating under a "restricted" gaming license and can't have table games are they, in fact, a type of slot machine?


Good question.
Nevada Revised Statue 463.0191 defines a "slot machine":
“Slot machine” means any mechanical, electrical or other device, contrivance or machine which, upon insertion of a coin, token or similar object, or upon payment of any consideration, is available to play or operate, the play or operation of which, whether by reason of the skill of the operator in playing a gambling game which is presented for play by the machine or application of the element of chance, or both, may deliver or entitle the person playing or operating the machine to receive cash, premiums, merchandise, tokens or any thing of value, whether the payoff is made automatically from the machine or in any other manner."
Under that definition, not only are bubble craps machines "slot machines," but so are video poker machines.

The only reference to just what a "restricted license" can have is here, where it says a restricted license can have "not more than 15 slot machines and no other games." However, it isn't clear if this uses the same definition of "slot machines" as above. My guess: yes, because they don't separate "traditional" slot machines from VP machines in the Gaming Revenue Reports - all machines are counted under "slot machines." In this case, bubble craps can be considered a "slot machine" because it does not take a separate person to run it. However, the dice do have to be fair; the rolls cannot be predetermined.
RS
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February 19th, 2017 at 2:11:41 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

However, the dice do have to be fair; the rolls cannot be predetermined.


The dice must be fair, but I believe they could be predetermined, legally. Not that I think they are predetermined, but they well could be.
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February 19th, 2017 at 3:15:09 PM permalink
I am a slow learner. Is Stadium Blackjack a slot machine in Las Vegas ? In Pennsylvania Stadium Blackjack is considered a table game and taxed at 14% instead of 54% for a slot machine. I believe the logic initially behind the two different tax structures was table games created more jobs.
ThatDonGuy
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February 19th, 2017 at 4:39:21 PM permalink
Quote: Ernesto

I am a slow learner. Is Stadium Blackjack a slot machine in Las Vegas ? In Pennsylvania Stadium Blackjack is considered a table game and taxed at 14% instead of 54% for a slot machine. I believe the logic initially behind the two different tax structures was table games created more jobs.


Stadium Blackjack at the Venetian has a live dealer (or at least that's what the Venetian website says - in fact, it might be only at the Palazzo), so it would be a table game.
joe.blasi
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February 19th, 2017 at 6:19:58 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

Stadium Blackjack at the Venetian has a live dealer (or at least that's what the Venetian website says - in fact, it might be only at the Palazzo), so it would be a table game.


dealer does not take a hole card so do lose all on Dealer BJ?
superrick
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February 19th, 2017 at 6:32:19 PM permalink
Quote: Ernesto

I am a slow learner. Is Stadium Blackjack a slot machine in Las Vegas ? In Pennsylvania Stadium Blackjack is considered a table game and taxed at 14% instead of 54% for a slot machine. I believe the logic initially behind the two different tax structures was table games created more jobs.


Let's stay on the one subject then move on! First, we have to determine what the bubble craps machines are!

We are strictly talking about a stand alone bubble craps machine with no dealers working the machine that are showing up in the small casinos!
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Ibeatyouraces
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February 19th, 2017 at 6:36:20 PM permalink
They're in large casinos also.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!

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