small, tall, and all bet
August 20th, 2016 at 11:47:11 AM
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what are the odds of an all bet- rolling 2-6 and 8-12 before a 7. i know it pays 175-1, with a house edge, but how do you know the odds?
August 20th, 2016 at 11:57:31 AM
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The odds are 123 to 1, making it a sucker bet AGAINST the house.*
*-not really, but if you look on Wizard of Odds Website, at https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/5
Shows a house edge of more than 7 percent on each bet.
*-not really, but if you look on Wizard of Odds Website, at https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/5
Shows a house edge of more than 7 percent on each bet.
August 20th, 2016 at 12:00:07 PM
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Check this page:
https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/5/
There's a lot of craps bets listed, including the Small and Tall, followed by the All bets.
https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/5/
There's a lot of craps bets listed, including the Small and Tall, followed by the All bets.
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August 20th, 2016 at 7:42:33 PM
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its all there, thanks a lot
September 6th, 2016 at 1:55:51 PM
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Quote: mountpleasanttwhat are the odds of an all bet- rolling 2-6 and 8-12 before a 7. i know it pays 175-1, with a house edge, but how do you know the odds?
Did you get the number you were looking for?
Odds are a comparison of the number of ways one event can happen versus another. You simply need to set up a ratio of the two events.
The Wizard's page others have cited here shows the probability of winning the All bet as 0.005258 and the probability of losing as 0.994742. So the ratio of winning to losing is:
0.005258 to 0.994742
Divide both sides by 0.994742 and you get:
Odds of winning versus losing are 0.005286 to 1
Likewise, the ratio of losing to winning is:
0.994742 to 0.005258
Divide both sides by 0.005258 and you get:
Odds of losing versus winning are 189.186 to 1
So ... if the All bet were fair it would pay 189.186 to 1 but instead it pays 175 to 1.
That means the house takes 14.186 simoleons from your payoff. So the house advantage is:
14.186/189.186 ~ 7.5% (approximate due to rounding)
Steen
Last edited by: Steen on Sep 6, 2016
February 25th, 2017 at 12:06:42 PM
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I use to enjoy this side bet but not anymore. I've noticed at M Life strip casinos that the payout has been reduced, resulting in a horrific house edge.
Small and Tall: wins pay 30 to 1, the house edge is 18.30%
All: wins pay 150 to 1, the house edge is 20.61%
Small and Tall: wins pay 30 to 1, the house edge is 18.30%
All: wins pay 150 to 1, the house edge is 20.61%
February 26th, 2017 at 1:27:59 PM
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Quote: BlueEagleI use to enjoy this side bet but not anymore. I've noticed at M Life strip casinos that the payout has been reduced, resulting in a horrific house edge.
Small and Tall: wins pay 30 to 1, the house edge is 18.30%
All: wins pay 150 to 1, the house edge is 20.61%
I was wondering when they were going to either do away with this bet or change the payouts on it. Im not big on playing side bets, but I have seen all tall bet pay out many times. Far greater amount of times than the fire bet.
The first time I ever saw the bet in Mirage, I was shooting and I watch another guy playing it make nearly 25k on this side bet. He played 100 on all 3 bets (all tall, all small, all or nothing) I believe the payouts were 35-1, 35-1, 175-1. Of course, it was early in the morning and we were the only two people on the table. The dice were flying with rhythm and no stoppage. Lots of numbers.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
February 28th, 2017 at 9:43:06 AM
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really, which casinos are at the m life strip?
February 28th, 2017 at 8:09:47 PM
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Quote: mountpleasanttreally, which casinos are at the m life strip?
MGM Grand
Mandalay Bay
New York New York
Bellagio
Mirage
Excalibur
Aria
Luxor
Monte Carlo
maybe Circus Circus (they have some weird arrangement; think they're mostly m life)
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
February 28th, 2017 at 8:32:10 PM
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MGM does own CC but they have their own players card/club.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
April 11th, 2017 at 12:19:14 PM
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Small-All-Tall now $5 minimum. Starting this week Mirage will raise the min from $1 per box to $5 each. Information relayed from a boxman last weekend. There was one dealer immediately after a shift change Saturday night that was confused and tried to require the higher minimum. Dealers lamented that if you want to know what will happen here [Mirage], just go to Aria, "We do everything Aria does." They said the min has been higher there for a while.
Side Note: Pai Gow Poker Fortune bet also going to $5 minimum.
Side Note: Pai Gow Poker Fortune bet also going to $5 minimum.
Don't forget, "FREE" is a four letter word.
April 11th, 2017 at 1:00:43 PM
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I saw the same thing two weeks ago at Beau Rivage in Biloxi. Seems as if the wager used to be $5 maximum. Not sure what the maximum is now (I didn't play it), but maybe the options are $5 or nothing. That would make it slightly simpler to keep the payouts straight for multiple bettors.Quote: ThenWhatHappensSmall-All-Tall now $5 minimum.
I wonder if this is being implemented as a "feature" of the game and will be this way everywhere soon.
April 11th, 2017 at 1:43:41 PM
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Wow so instead of wasting 3 dollars you now waste $15. When I play i will bet this maybe one time when I roll for $3 but I think this will make me never play it.
April 11th, 2017 at 2:08:50 PM
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I was playing last night in Hammond and since I was the shooter decided to go a dollar on each. I had a nice long roll and was only missing the two and the ten. The two came out and me and several others got paid our $35. The dealer asked if I wanted to go again on the small, and I laughed and said what are the chances of that happening again. My next six rolls were in this order: 2, 3, 5, 4, and 6. The dealers had a good laugh at me for not betting another dollar. I never did roll the ten.
April 11th, 2017 at 2:31:09 PM
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I never play it but my husband will throw down 2-1-2 when he or I are shooting. I find I miss it when we are on a good roll and it is not being played. It serves as a nice way to keep track of progress and gives an escape when a Come bet hits crap. With enough people playing it really helps to bring the table together. Bean counters in charge.
Side Note: Also heard machine players are no longer going to get complementary drink service. Machines will "rate" your coin-in and issue drink tickets.
Side Note: Also heard machine players are no longer going to get complementary drink service. Machines will "rate" your coin-in and issue drink tickets.
Don't forget, "FREE" is a four letter word.
April 11th, 2017 at 3:28:10 PM
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Quote: ThenWhatHappensSide Note: Also heard machine players are no longer going to get complementary drink service. Machines will "rate" your coin-in and issue drink tickets.
Ugh! Is this just a "Vegas" thing? Or, were you hearing it's coming to the wider gaming world?
April 11th, 2017 at 4:30:06 PM
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Was told this at Mirage so it will likely be Mlife wide before long. What's next, chair rental or is that included in the resort fee? "Do Plats get free chair rentals?"
(This will probably need its own thread, feel free, I never play machines.)
(This will probably need its own thread, feel free, I never play machines.)
Don't forget, "FREE" is a four letter word.
April 12th, 2017 at 12:22:16 AM
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I was at Mandalay Bay for a show last week. There were six of us playing two slot machines and the waitress had no problem with six drinks. Everyone tipped her $2 each and she came back for round two very quickly. No meters there. Yet.
No meters in the main bar at Bellagio tonite.
No meters in the main bar at Bellagio tonite.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
April 13th, 2017 at 9:04:14 PM
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are the bonus craps payouts going down on some casinos too? to 30 to 1 (small, tall) and 150 to 1 (all)?
April 18th, 2017 at 11:27:08 AM
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Good News! The Golden Nugget in Biloxi becomes the first local casino to reduce payouts on the ATS bet! Now if they get really smart and increase minimums to $5 each segment, like The Beau down the street, we can have a faster game with less fleas.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
April 18th, 2017 at 12:20:48 PM
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ATS gets a ton of action in Milwaukee. About a year ago they it expanded to 4 of the 6 tables.
Still paying 35- and 175-1. The reset after a natural can take a while...
Still paying 35- and 175-1. The reset after a natural can take a while...
April 18th, 2017 at 12:28:44 PM
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Another friend emailed that Harrah's NOLA has already lowered its pay outs also.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
September 4th, 2018 at 11:45:58 PM
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I used to calculate bets like these (All Small or All Tall in this case) using combinations, now I also like using the Poisson process, which is the integral over all time of:
(1-e^(-x/36)) * (1-e^(-x/18)) * (1-e^(-x/12)) * (1-e^(-x/9)) * (1-e^(-x/7.2)) * e^(-x/6) / 6
= 20,049 / 760,760
=~ 0.026354
(1-e^(-x/36)) * (1-e^(-x/18)) * (1-e^(-x/12)) * (1-e^(-x/9)) * (1-e^(-x/7.2)) * e^(-x/6) / 6
= 20,049 / 760,760
=~ 0.026354
It’s all about making that GTA
September 5th, 2018 at 11:40:49 AM
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The house edge it's about 7.5%. I've done it 3 times but have never collected a penny since I don't bet it.
The best things in life are not free.
September 5th, 2018 at 10:59:36 PM
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Edge north of 20%.
No thank you
No thank you
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
September 6th, 2018 at 4:56:32 PM
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Quote: Ace2I used to calculate bets like these (All Small or All Tall in this case) using combinations, now I also like using the Poisson process
In case you need it, here's a proof that the integral from 0 to infinity of xn / ex dx = n! for all non-negative integers n.
I can't get the image to show, but here's a link to it
September 6th, 2018 at 5:18:34 PM
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That’s pretty cool. I’m just now brushing up on my calculus. I never really had practical uses for it before.Quote: ThatDonGuyIn case you need it, here's a proof that the integral from 0 to infinity of xn / ex dx = n! for all non-negative integers n.
I can't get the image to show, but here's a link to it
It’s all about making that GTA
September 6th, 2018 at 5:45:24 PM
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Quote: ThatDonGuyIn case you need it, here's a proof that the integral from 0 to infinity of xn / ex dx = n! for all non-negative integers n.
I can't get the image to show, but here's a link to it
I’m guessing Gordon knows this one!
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
September 6th, 2018 at 5:47:15 PM
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Someone please fix the dupes!
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
September 6th, 2018 at 6:05:21 PM
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Quote: unJonSomeone please fix the dupes!
I've deleted a couple hundred in the last 36 hours. I sent word, but haven't heard back yet.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
September 6th, 2018 at 6:17:19 PM
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Quote: beachbumbabsI've deleted a couple hundred in the last 36 hours. I sent word, but haven't heard back yet.
Thanks, BBB!
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
